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[RobRam10]

There is some serious heresy in this thread.

[LobselVith8]

I thought she was manipulated by Alexius?

 

I thought the same. Fiona does mention 'feeling strange' when you mention meeting her in Orlais, but it's never really followed up on (which is why Xil made a thread for clarification about it).

[myahele]

Yeah, I think she may have been under a blood magic spell....but she's a grand enchanter, surely she would have some safe guards against a Magister. She even mentions how "conveniently" time Alexius appeared.

[Addai]

I actually sympathize with the Mages and their plight, but I just don't like her for being an imbecile and complete idiot. Seriously? Tevinter?

I fight for my freedom, so I'm going to join with those slavers now. A lot of people already hate and fear us mages, so we're going to give them more reason to hate and fear us! Yay! Tevinter a society where only the strong triumph, and the weak suffer...and slavery, blood magic. Fun time! The Tevinter Magisters will surely enslave us lesser mages, use us as cannon fodder against the Qunari, and they'll literally eat us southern mages for breakfast. *derp*

I don't understand why it's considered so radical that when the free mages' backs are against the wall, they elect to go to a place where mages rule. Where else are they going to go? Par Vollen?

 

I like Fiona, always have. She's far from a Mary Sue, she just makes controversial choices and mistakes.

[raging_monkey]

I say again time travel

[LobselVith8]

Yeah, I think she may have been under a blood magic spell....but she's a grand enchanter, surely she would have some safe guards against a Magister. She even mentions how "conveniently" time Alexius appeared.

 

Given Alexius' "time magic", his alliance with the "Elder One", and sending Tevinter spies into Redcliffe masquerading as mage refugees, the deck was pretty stacked against her.

[RenAdaar]

Yeah, I think she may have been under a blood magic spell....but she's a grand enchanter, surely she would have some safe guards against a Magister. She even mentions how "conveniently" time Alexius appeared.

This magister has time magic though so who knows what other spells he might have.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

I don't understand why it's considered so radical that when the free mages' backs are against the wall, they elect to go to a place where mages rule. Where else are they going to go? Par Vollen?

 

I like Fiona, always have. She's far from a Mary Sue, she just makes controversial choices and mistakes.

You don't know how Tevinter works don't you? Tevinter's society is the place where strong mages rule, and those magisters don't need more rivals especially when they came from the south (Andrastion's nations).

[Lumix19]

You don't know how Tevinter works don't you? Tevinter's society is the place where strong mages rule, and those magisters don't need more rivals especially when they came from the south (Andrastion's nations).

This is true but most Southern mages don't know that, they think it's a place where all mages rule. Only an actual Tevinter mage could tell you how it really is.

[Ailith Tycane]

Because no one likes their mother in laws

 

(Alistair romance joke)

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Hate her?? I love her! She did an exceptional job undermining the non-existent merits of her stance.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

This is true but most Southern mages don't know that, they think it's a place where all mages rule. Only an actual Tevinter mage could tell you how it really is.

Fenris can also tell you about that since he's the expert on the Tevinter and their culture. He has experienced it firsthand.

Well, I'm going to blame how they taught a history lesson in southern Thedas then. Seriously, they never thought people about how other culture works beside the Tevinter is evil, the Qunari is evil, the Dalish Elves and the Dwarves are nothing more than godless heathen. *sigh*

[Chernaya]

The Mary Sue argument is a bit stupid (since the only thing you could class her as a mary sue for is being magically cured of the Taint - her life isn't a wonderful ray of sunshine - I'd still argue Katriel is a better Mary Sue, even though she dies).  The argument about selling her people (mages) to slavery has more weight.

 

I think Fiona is a bit stupid, but not really worthy of the huge amount of hate she gets.

 

Exactly this. She has way too many flaws to be a Mary Sue, some people just use that term for female characters they dislike but it's not really true. I don't exactly hate her but I feel like she's a horrible leader of anything, especially the rebel mages. 

[errantknight]

She's clearly not a Mary-Sue. Not only is a Mary-Sue 'perfect', but everyone loves them.

 

She may have been influenced by blood magic to sign over the mages to Tevinter--making her a less than awesome mage--but that doesn't give her a pass on all the other short-sighted and reckless decisions. Her ability to think ahead to obvious possibilities of cause and effect and consider options in a half way reasonable way makes one wonder how she could possibly have become first enchanter in the first place.

[renfrees]

She doesn't mention being under a thrall afterwards and confirms in later dialogue, that decision to ally with Tevinter was hers. Stop trying to justify her actions with such cheap excuse, she already has time magic for that.

[Hazegurl]

I consider her a mary sue because I find her character to be contrived for the purposes of making her special. The game resolves that though. IMO, she's an idiot and mages most certainly were taught lessons on Tevinter but most seem to think of it as propaganda for the purposes of making people fear Mage rule. Anders brings it up.

[Barquiel]

I like her, especially in the Calling (I definitely would have preferred her over Vivienne as a companion )

[Dermain]

I consider her a mary sue because I find her character to be contrived for the purposes of making her special. The game resolves that though. IMO, she's an idiot and mages most certainly were taught lessons on Tevinter but most seem to think of it as propaganda for the purposes of making people fear Mage rule. Anders brings it up.

 

Going by that definition then every companion in the game is a Mary Sue...

[Lumix19]

I consider her a mary sue because I find her character to be contrived for the purposes of making her special. The game resolves that though. IMO, she's an idiot and mages most certainly were taught lessons on Tevinter but most seem to think of it as propaganda for the purposes of making people fear Mage rule. Anders brings it up.

To each his own. I personally get the reasoning behind her actions.

[TK514]

I don't like her because I feel like she's too 'special snowflake'.

 

• She was an elf, slave, and mage who got away with murdering her owner in a world that hates slaves, elves, and mages.
• She gets taken to the Circle where she is considered so awesome, she gets conscripted as a Warden.
• She is considered such a great warden that she gets to go on adventures with a King and his best friend, who is a hero in his own right, AND the HoF's wise Warden Mentor before he was the wise warden mentor.
• She is considered to be the best mage the King, Hero of the Realm, and Wise Mentor have ever seen.
• She encounters and deals with threats (brood mothers, the Architect) that the Player Character discovers, only she does it first and better.
• In spite of having zero in common, in fact she hates everything about him and spends most of their interactions hating him, she and the King 'fall in love' and she gets pregnant with his child.
• She is, unlike any Grey Warden ever, completely cured of the Taint.
• She goes back to the Circle, and in spite of not having been in one for years, is elected to the highest office of the Circle hierarchy.  Never mind there being choices available who have more in common with their fellow Circle mages and more experience with Circle life and politics.
• She attempts to get a vote passed for Circle separation and fails.  In spite of what the Anti-Templar crowd would have you believe the Templars are like, nothing bad happens to her because of it.  She isn't abused, removed from her position, or 'disappeared'.
• She and her cronies manipulate or take advantage of events to force another vote, one that ignores what the main body of the mages want in favor of exploiting an emotionally charged situation involving key votes on an electoral council.  She drags the Mages into a war they knew would happen, regardless of what most of the mages want.
• Oh, and she's the mother of the HoF Warden Companion and (potentially) King of Ferelden.

 

As I've said before, there's enough accomplishments in Fiona's back story for several characters.  She's just too special, and it's irritating.

 

However, as briefly mentioned above, her being a complete idiot in DA:I, accepting Tevinter help and selling herself and the other mages into slavery, somewhat makes up from her out of game characterization.

[Augustei]

I've never read the books/played the side games/etc that she's featured in, all I know of her is from DAI, and what she tells you in game. I've also read the Wiki, and it doesn't sound like she's a terrible person aside from maybe starting the mage rebellion. Is that why everybody hates her? Or was she a jerk in her prior appearances?

Well because despite being a mary sue, She pushed for mage freedom (Which predictably would lead to war with the Templars and is essentially a declaration of war in itself). My main problem isn't that she pushed for freedom, but that she did it so moronicly, She made absolutely no plans, no alliances, didn't think it out at all. So inevitably the mages starting loosing the war (Which she herself admits in Inquisition) and then while fighting for mage freedom sold herself and the mages into slavery.

If you intend to drag your people into war, you do it right damnit. You don't just declare it and worry about the rest later

[Br3admax]

She's everything you stand for:

 

Tevinter

A mage

Power mad

And hates the man.

 

Don't play, man. 

[Shadow Fox]

Well because despite being a mary sue, She pushed for mage freedom (Which predictably would lead to war with the Templars and is essentially a declaration of war in itself). My main problem isn't that she pushed for freedom, but that she did it so moronicly, She made absolutely no plans, no alliances, didn't think it out at all. So inevitably the mages starting loosing the war (Which she herself admits in Inquisition) and then while fighting for mage freedom sold herself and the mages into slavery.

If you intend to drag your people into war, you do it right damnit. You don't just declare it and worry about the rest later

If you want to win that is.

[BHRamsay]

One thing that makes Vivienne's character for me is when she calls Fiona on her shite

[Augustei]

If you want to win that is.

Adoping a strategy where you melt away into the forests and split up into cells could have been effective - though she still should have attempted to forge alliances and gain resources which she didn't at all.

And instead what genius strategy does she adopt? Congregating all the mages in Ferelden where they begin to face bad casualties and it becomes evident to even her that they are loosing the war.
Yeah nice one Fiona.........

Oh and she pushed for the vote in the middle of the largest templar fortress in the world in the capital city of the worlds greatest empire in the middle of the bloody city when tensions were at an all time high - Shes lucky the Divine risked her career and the future of the chantry like she did or all would have went to **** right then and there for the mages.