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[Former_Fiend]

Because she's just awful.

[TobiTobsen]

I don't even understand why she thinks that she has to sell out to Tevinter.

 

Cullen says Redcliffe Castle is nearly impossible to take by force. The Venatori diary in the bad future even tells us that the Inquisition and the Fereldan army tried to do so and got utterly crushed. Just stay on the good side of Arl Teagan and Ferelden, securing the aid of "normal" soldiers and militiamen against the Templars, and the mages are basically as safe as they can get.

[Xilizhra]

I don't even understand why she thinks that she has to sell out to Tevinter.

 

Cullen says Redcliffe Castle is nearly impossible to take by force. The Venatori diary in the bad future even tells us that the Inquisition and the Fereldan army tried to do so and got utterly crushed. Just stay on the good side of Arl Teagan and Ferelden, securing the aid of "normal" soldiers and militiamen against the Templars, and the mages are basically as safe as they can get.

The mages didn't have Redcliffe Castle until Alexius booted Teagan out; before then, they were relegated to the surrounding, relatively sackable village.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

And desperation is a valid excuse. You can enter a war fully prepared and still lose and when you start losing you'd be surprised by the choices you make. I remember playing Dom3 and turning my population into Ghouls just to survive. Not that that's relevant or on topic.

Maybe, she should put some thought before pushed for mage freedom since she has no long term plan, no alliances, and lack of resources. That is what make her look like complete fool IMO. That is one decisive decision, but necessary to keep your people alive, it's pretty cool that you can do that. I never played Dom3 before, but that was pretty cool. And that is irrelevant from this topic.

[PrinceLionheart]

Not when you choose to side with the Templars in DAI. 

I meant prior to the game.

 

And wow, what's with the forum censoring everything, even words not technically a swear?

[TobiTobsen]

The mages didn't have Redcliffe Castle until Alexius booted Teagan out; before then, they were relegated to the surrounding, relatively sackable village.

 

Teagan's liege lord offered the mages a safe haven in Redcliffe. I don't think the Arl would just sit in his castle and watch while the people in the village get slaughtered.

[Addai]

If you think being enslaved by the Tevinter Magisters, or enthralled then turned into Corypheus's minion against their will is pleasant. You fight for freedom, not to throw yourself to be chained by different master, and you're naive if you think the Magisters would welcome them with open arms. As someone in this thread stated it. Stop trying to justify her actions with such cheap excuse. Fiona is pathetic, and she's a complete moron when she chooses to throw herself, and her people to the Tevinter. Desperation is not an excuse, you don't go into war when you weren't prepared.

I'm not trying to "justify" anything. But when you have only bad choices, it's understandable that you choose one that allows at least a shot at survival.
 
At that point, "we weren't prepared" is hindsight and irrelevant. I take it you expect her to throw herself on the mercy of... who, exactly? Or fight on until they're extinct? What do you suggest that she do, exactly?

The true leader of the mage rebellion was Anders .. the problem is according to cannon Hawke kills him. Before that he had an organized group that helped to hide the apostates, and to smuggle mages about to be made Tranquil for absolutely no reason other than Meredith is having a bad day out of the Kirkwall Circle.  Had he not allowed Justice to control him, he would have had the support of the circle for his rebellion (Orsino probably would not have been driven to allow himself to become an abomination and would have fully supported a rebellion against the Templars and Chantry after years of abuse from Meredith), as well as Kirkwall's nobility half of whom had ties to Tevinter or mage relatives, the Grey Wardens (who historically supported free mages), and probably the Dwarven Merchants guild (yes them to, after all House Tethras is powerful within this organization, Varric considers Anders and Hawke to be friends, and free mages=more lyrium trade). This would have given him political, social, and financial backing. Fiona other than Alistair really did not have that and she burned those bridges.

Anders would be no better at leading the rebellion. He was all revolutionary and no plan, as well, and he'd probably be driven mad if not by Justice then by Corypheus messing with the Wardens' heads.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

Teagan's liege lord offered the mages a safe haven in Redcliffe. I don't think the Arl would just sit in his castle and watch while the people in the village get slaughtered.

The fact that Alistair or Anora showed up late start to make me doubt they're competent enough to ruling Ferelden. 

 

I'm not trying to "justify" anything. But when you have only bad choices, it's understandable that you choose one that allows at least a shot at survival.

 

At that point, "we weren't prepared" is hindsight and irrelevant. I take it you expect her to throw herself on the mercy of... who, exactly? Or fight on until they're extinct? What do you suggest that she do, exactly?

Join forces with the Inquisition, and you have more chance to survive and prove your worth to the people. If you fought for freedom, and the society where mages and normal people can live together you know it's the right thing to do, but join forces with Tevinter then you just sign your death warrant, and give more reason for people to hate and fear you.

[Lumix19]

Maybe, she should put some thought before pushed for mage freedom since she has no long term plan, no alliances, and lack of resources. That is what make her look like complete fool IMO. That is one decisive decision, but necessary to keep your people alive, it's pretty cool that you can do that. I never played Dom3 before, but that was pretty cool. And that is irrelevant from this topic.

I did say it was irrelevant but I'm merely pointing out you can do terrible things when push comes to shove. Dom3's a great game though. Anyway the Conclave was her only chance to push for freedom, and she was never going to get any alliances or resources whilst she was trapped in the Circle. I don't see any way for her to have prepared for the war.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

I did say it was irrelevant but I'm merely pointing out you can do terrible things when push comes to shove. Dom3's a great game though. Anyway the Conclave was her only chance to push for freedom, and she was never going to get any alliances or resources whilst she was trapped in the Circle. I don't see any way for her to have prepared for the war.

I can understand that, but she's just betraying everything she fought for and sold herself, and her people to the Tevinter out of fear. Well, I see being desperate as an excuse too often. I like to try Dom3's some day. The Conclave was her only chance for freedom, and the only chance for peace...alas it's ruined. She could try to seek outside party, or the other way to gain resources instead of join forces with someone who's going to stab her in the back.

[Xilizhra]

I can understand that, but she's just betraying everything she fought for and sold herself, and her people to the Tevinter out of fear. Well, I see being desperate as an excuse too often. I like to try Dom3's some day. The Conclave was her only chance for freedom, and the only chance for peace...alas it's ruined. She could try to seek outside party, or the other way to gain resources instead of join forces with someone who's going to stab her in the back.

Well, she got another chance for freedom. I'm content with that.

[Addai]

The fact that Alistair or Anora showed up late start to make me doubt they're competent enough to ruling Ferelden. 
 
Join forces with the Inquisition, and you have more chance to survive and prove your worth to the people. If you fought for freedom, and the society where mages and normal people can live together you know it's the right thing to do, but join forces with Tevinter then you just sign your death warrant, and give more reason for people to hate and fear you.

The Inquisition is new and has been denounced by the Chantry as well, there's no guarantee that it can offer them anything.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

Well, she got another chance for freedom. I'm content with that.

She is sure enjoying her freedom...in the Fade, in my pro-templar play-through.

[Obadiah]

OP, *Shrug* I've read the rationales in this thread and I still don't get it. She seems fine to me.

[Esmian]

Better than Ser Barris. He doesn't even have a spot to stand in Skyhold as far as I know.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

The Inquisition is new and has been denounced by the Chantry as well, there's no guarantee that it can offer them anything.

There is no guarantee that Tevinter would honor their deal to the end, and won't try to enslave the southern rebel mages either. At that point, when the Inquisitor acquires help from either mages or templars he/she will be able to close the Breach at Haven therefor the Inquisition become a symbol of hope in people's eyes despite that the organization has been denounced by the Chantry (what's left of it anyway).

[LOLandStuff]

Oh mages, the moment you let them in the outside world they run around like headless chickens.

 

But Fiona should've known better how outside works. Specially since she was a warden.

[Addai]

There is no guarantee that Tevinter would honor their deal to the end, and won't try to enslave the southern rebel mages either. At that point, when the Inquisitor acquires help from either mages or templars he/she will be able to close the Breach at Haven therefor the Inquisition become a symbol of hope in people's eyes despite that the organization has been denounced by the Chantry (what's left of it anyway).

There is no guarantee of anything. I'm not disagreeing they should take the deal with the Inquisition when it's offered- neither does Fiona. It just wasn't self-evident to other people that you're the savior of the world who's also going to spare their lives.

At this point all I can see is you despise the decision because you think Fiona should have perfect prescience and not care if she and the other mages live or die.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

Oh mages, the moment you let them in the outside world they run around like headless chickens.

 

But Fiona should've known better how outside works. Specially since she was a warden.

She drop her brain...and her plot armor somewhere prior to the story of DAI.

[thesuperdarkone2]

 

 

Join forces with the Inquisition, and you have more chance to survive and prove your worth to the people. If you fought for freedom, and the society where mages and normal people can live together you know it's the right thing to do, but join forces with Tevinter then you just sign your death warrant, and give more reason for people to hate and fear you.

Her appearance in Val Royeaux does imply that she originally was going to try and get an alliance with the Inquisition but time magic meant that Alexius stopped her before she could get to the Inquisition but I guess people forget that bit of information to justify their point.

[TK514]

Oh mages, the moment you let them in the outside world they run around like headless chickens.

 

But Fiona should've known better how outside works. Specially since she was a warden.

 

And as Grand Enchanter she had considerably more access to the important people she would have needed to negotiate with to prepare her Rebellion, and years to do so.  She was uniquely placed to put together a viable separation, and failed utterly.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

There is no guarantee of anything. I'm not disagreeing they should take the deal with the Inquisition when it's offered- neither does Fiona. It just wasn't self-evident to other people that you're the savior of the world who's also going to spare their lives.

Indeed there is no guarantee of anything, but seeing Fiona want to jump ship on her cause to join the Tevinter...it just plain idiocy especially when Fiona was a Warden before, I thought she would have better knowledge of the outside world more than any mages who live within the Circle. 

 

Her appearance in Val Royeaux does imply that she originally was going to try and get an alliance with the Inquisition but time magic meant that Alexius stopped her before she could get to the Inquisition but I guess people forget that bit of information to justify their point.

Right, and she wasn't even enthrall Alexius it was her decision to ally with Tevinter. She reveals that to the Inquisitor when you converse with her in the Skyhold. Stop trying to justify her actions, her action is her own. Alexius didn't mind controlling Fiona into ally with Tevinter.

[Pierce Miller]

I'm about as Pro-mage as they come in regards to the characters I play and even I think Fiona is a fool.

[Chari]

I despise and pity her at the same time

A desperate person who did stupid things. Nothing new here

[Ranadiel Marius]

Better than Ser Barris. He doesn't even have a spot to stand in Skyhold as far as I know.

That is because he is off being awesome protecting mage and non-mage alike (and reducing Cullen's operation time). He has no time to be standing still.