Can't say I like him much. He's a good person but his BDSM tastes and constant talks about sex, drinking and killing are putting me off. Same with Chargers...
I just don't "feel" them. Tis a shame, I've waited for a qunari LI for so long and I spent so much time fangirling over every little IB detail they revealed prior to the release
His simple presence though is threatening in and of itself, His people will invade one day and destroy everything your character cares about and for my Inquisitor that's enough to hate him, Personally it makes the fact that he is likable all the more jarring.
Implying dialogue is impossible to achieve, and that the Qunari won't change their plans. The only danger I see are warmongers on either side.
simfamSP, on 01 Dec 2014 - 4:51 PM, said:So you hate the individual for the actions of his people?
Even though the individual is in no way, a vessel for that ideology?
It's fine if your character doesn't like him. But for a player to use his race/ideology as a reason for disliking him...
It just doesn't piece together. I'd understand if he were like Sten, who is the ideal Qunari in every way.
But Iron Bull? From your reasoning, it's like disliking Dorian for what his people do to slaves, or Cullen because he belonged to the Templars.
But he is a vessel for that ideology, He's ben hassrath and he knows how people work. It's very easy to assume that he's getting in the good graces of the Inquisition while waiting to strike.
But he is a vessel for that ideology, He's ben hassrath and he knows how people work. It's very easy to assume that he's getting in the good graces of the Inquisition while waiting to strike.
Paranoia is the fault of the subject, not the object.
EmperorSahlertz, on 01 Dec 2014 - 7:09 PM, said:Paranoia is the fault of the subject, not the object.
It's not paranoia, The Qunari will invade that is an eventuality. Bull is a Qunari spy, It's perfectly reasonable to be wary of him.
To an extent I can understand why people who don't like qunari wouldn't want a qunari character to be likeable.
For me, it's the chevaliers. I hate the chevaliers. Not on moral grounds like some people here, I just dislike them. I feel that they should be portrayed as a decadent and declining order, a shadow of their past glory, and as far more style than substance. Competent warriors, sure, but no where near as good as they think they are or proclaim themselves to be. That was my vision of what chevaliers should have been.
Bioware disagreed, and felt that chevaliers should live up to their hype. So every time I see or hear about a chevalier being an exceptional warrior, I grit my teeth a bit. "They shouldn't be like that." I tell myself. "They shouldn't be that good." It's the primary reason I hate Michel.
I imagine it's the same for qunari-haters who never the less find Bull likeable. He challenges their preconceptions about what a qunari should be. He doesn't fall in line with their idea, what allows them to hate qunari.
So, yea, I get it. Don't agree in this specific case as I rather like the qunari, but I get the mind set.
It's not paranoia, The Qunari will invade that is an eventuality. Bull is a Qunari spy, It's perfectly reasonable to be wary of him.
Again, assuming that you have an absolute knowledge of the future, and that the Qunari are inmutable and unchanging. However dialogue is NOT an impossibilty as the Iron Bull proves, meaning that a Qunari invasion is not necessarily an absolute eventuality.
EmperorSahlertz, on 01 Dec 2014 - 7:13 PM, said:EmperorSahlertz, on 01 Dec 2014 - 7:13 PM, said:Again, assuming that you have an absolute knowledge of the future, and that the Qunari are inmutable and unchanging. However dialogue is NOT an impossibilty as the Iron Bull proves, meaning that a Qunari invasion is not necessarily an absolute eventuality.
Yes but I believe Bull's personality is a façade. Personally I'm looking forward to the invasion in game 
I love Bull. I was kinda cool on him at first because so many previews focused on him, but I'm glad I gave him a chance. He's much more chill than I thought he'd be and his "live and let live" attitude is appealing. I enjoy having him around. Not sure I want to romance him (BDSM ain't my thing) but he's a good friend.
That's actually a memory that Solas found in the Fade and tells you about.
Oh yeah, he DID say that. *smack self* But I think I saw it pop up on a card the other day as well...maybe it ends up in the codex - that or I imagined the card. In any case, I'm lucky that I've got most of mental faculties intact - even after finishing DA:I once, it's still keeping me awake far too late on most nights, lol.
As I said before I like him despite him following the Qun. All I have to say on the Qun (and I realize this is a bit off topic) is that whoever came up with the idea of the Qun and it's ideals obviously read the heck out of 1984 beforehand.
Can't say I like him much. He's a good person but his BDSM tastes and constant talks about sex, drinking and killing are putting me off. Same with Chargers...
I just don't "feel" them. Tis a shame, I've waited for a qunari LI for so long and I spent so much time fangirling over every little IB detail they revealed prior to the release
What's wrong with BDSM?
Iron Bull is alot more settle compared to Sten way back in DA:O. Sten was a stick in the mud and liked battle and cookies. Iron Bull seems to like being around others and battle. The only thing I am shocked about so far is he hasn't tried a cookie yet. He did bring up how his people go gaga over deserts n stuff but nothing mentioned about cookies and how "it's a travesty there isn't such a thing among his people" (Sten's words).
He doesn't feel like a Qunari to me (taking Sten as reference). Yet i think he was a okay'ish character although i never had him in my party.
I like that's he's so honest about who he is. If humans, elves and dwarves can be sexual people why can't qunari? They have horns and look more animalistic than the other races because of that, sure, but they still have to breed to keep their species going, they have a sex drive. They aren't unintelligent animals like cows or ox just because they slightly resemble them, they are people. You don't have to be into them but as far as I see it's not disgusting or bestiality because they aren't, well... animals.
Nothing likeable about those Qunari beasts.
He's a filthy spy and he should be put down, not invited to the Inquisition.
Iron Bull was probably my favorite companion... I'm glad they decided to go a different direction than an uptight qunari like Sten or the ones in DA2. I'd have to say that his role as a spy led him to adopt atypical behaviors and probably explains why he's easy to get along with. After all, he'd be a poor spy if he didn't blend in with other mercenaries and came across as annoying or what have you...
Also, he almost never talked about sex in my game, but I also didn't have him in the same party as Dorian that often. I missed out on a lot from what I've heard about that...
I just like that there's variety in different races. I hate it when humans can experience the full range of personality that humans have but all dwarves have to be the stereotypical dwarf and all elves have to be the stereotypical elf.
I like that Zevran, Velanna, Merrill, Fenris, Sera, and Solas are all vastly different people. I like that Oghren, Sigrun, and Varric are all vastly different people.
And while the qun teaches conformity, there's nothing about that doctrine in my mind that says they all have to be clones of each other. The qun tells them what to do, how to do it, but not how to act while doing it.
So I like to think that Sten is simply a particularly uptight qunari and that their society allows for people like Tallis and Bull to live normally. After all, these are the people who invented the strap-on ****** in Thedas.
Iron Bull was probably my favorite companion... I'm glad they decided to go a different direction than an uptight qunari like Sten or the ones in DA2. I'd have to say that his role as a spy led him to adopt atypical behaviors and probably explains why he's easy to get along with. After all, he'd be a poor spy if he didn't blend in with other mercenaries and came across as annoying or what have you...
Also, he almost never talked about sex in my game, but I also didn't have him in the same party as Dorian that often. I missed out on a lot from what I've heard about that...
Did you free him from the Qun?
Did you free him for the Qun?
No, I never got a quest to do that... should I have talked to him more or something?
No, I never got a quest to do that... should I have talked to him more or something?
Yes kill a dragon and talk to him that should net you a lot of approval from him.
Yes kill a dragon and talk to him that should net you a lot of approval from him.
I did that after the first dragon we ran into... lol... and here I thought he and the Inquisitor were friends. Oh well, I still like him, even if he didn't send my PC on a personal quest.
I did that after the first dragon we ran into... lol... and here I thought he and the Inquisitor were friends. Oh well, I still like him, even if he didn't send my PC on a personal quest.
Wow interesting, you were never able to trigger the personal quest? It's one of my favorites of the companion quests, I hope you can get it next time you play. 
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