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[Lenimph]

Xandurpein wrote...

I keep reading about people who find the "after bed" talk creepy and I still find it hard to understand. To me it's not a bit creepy at all. She is just so happy that she's feeling all giddy. Most of what she says in that scene is just whimsical. Didn't anyone notice before that she makes silly jokes at times when she is in a good mood?
Now I can understand anyone who isn't attracted to her personality. It's all a matter of personal taste. But if you find the "after bed" scene creepy, then I just don't think you understand her personality at all. What's so creepy about a pretty girl who is really, really happy after having spent the night with you, making a few jokes about it?

I really like Leliana she's my favorite romance, however the first time I saw that I thought it was a bit weird. I was thinking "My eyelashes?! really?! how long where you staring at me sleep to watch me go into REM sleep?!"

But I love what she says if you call her crazy. "Liar you thought I was crazy when we first met"

And  I just thought it was the cutest thing after

[Lenimph]

stupid double post

Modifié par Lenimph, 26 janvier 2010 - 10:03 .

[Olwaye]

Jaulen wrote...

Olwayne: What's wrong with a little SM?

I never said there was anything wrong with it, did I. Did I?

I was just listing some of the flaws/ strange little ways of other party member.
There are other character and things more creepy in DA than our lovely Leliana ( that Cullen guy to start with, well  actually the whole Chantry/ Mage/ Templar thing)

Long live princess stabity

[nyxocity]

Creature 1 wrote...

SusanStoHelit wrote...

what, he's never talked to you about rope? lmao

Bondage =/= S&M.
Now let's pretend we never had this conversation. 

Not that this is by far the point, but... Actually, bondage doesn't =/= S&M. Bondage would be the B part of BDSM. Sadism and masochism can be related to bondage, but not necessarily.

As for Leliana, she's all right. A little loopy and very girly and not at all my type, but she's not scary. She's a little too sweet for her background story though, I agree with that.

[Evil Tigz]

I actully really like Leliana, dunno why... sure she acts weird at times but any one whos ever been in relationships will tell you that happens with woman sometimes. But hey it adds to the charm and quircks. Seriously, I think its down to personal taste and a few people just don't get her personality which is okay. I have not had the pleasure of buying her the nug yet so I guess that I am still tolerating her. Agreed though she is a bit to girly and could do with darkening up a bit. More so considering her character history. But on the whole, I love her to bits and wished there was more interaction with her. Just need to find a gag for the nug for when I do end up buying it.

[Olwaye]

Evil Tigz wrote...
 Agreed though she is a bit to girly and could do with darkening up a bit. More so considering her character history.

Ah well, I quite like her girliness (despite my nationale pride telling me to get upset at BW for making the rest of the world think that it is typical french women behaviour), there is enough dark character in DA, having Leliana around is like having a nice cuppa and donut after a really bad day (make that hot chocolate and donuts for sh***y day)

Modifié par Olwaye, 28 janvier 2010 - 09:38 .

[sillymonkboy]

SusanStoHelit wrote...

Edit: Oh, and if you tell me that if you met someone like that irl you'd be fine with having them as a lover - you're lying, or you're extremely weird.

My current girlfriend's official diagnosis is Bi-Polar type I, with mild Borderline Personality Disorder.  Her meds control the most severe of the symptoms.  The rest doesn't really bother me.  She is perhaps the sweetest, most loving person I've ever known most of the time.   She can also do a complete 180 and be downright evil, though almost never towards me.  Occasionally, her behavior necessitates that I have to go for a very long walk (several hours, usually), but that's once or twice a year at most.

Sometimes she is startlingly naive, and sometimes surprisingly worldly.  She is like a cute little child and a jaded old woman at the same time.  Her hallucinations are rarely positive "messages from the Maker", but then again she's rarely physically violent towards anyone but herself.

Some people call me a saint and say I have infinite patience.  Others, call me a masochist.  I don't see what the big deal is really.  She seems no more or less crazy than most of the women I know, work with, have dated or am related to.

I suppose that would explain why "Leli" is my go to romance.  Her mindset is familiar enough that she's comfortable to be around.

Oh, and nearly every woman I've ever dated has talked about enjoying watching me sleep.  I just thought it was something most women did.  

[draxynnus]

SusanStoHelit wrote...
It wasn't that that I found creepy though. It's the whole 'package' that is Leliana, as it were. Assassin and bard, she's seduced people and killed them, she has visions (delusional or real, creepy in either case), she's riddled with Chantry-speak and 'Maker this' and 'Maker that' while at the same time slaughtering everything in sight. Girly giggles and ridiculous shoes one moment - hardened killer the next. I find the ease with which she slips between all these states - a little disturbing. If she were a real person, I'd have serious doubts about her mental health, her stability, and even her sanity.

Regarding the visions, I've been wanting the option to point out to her that Wardens have visions too. Sure, the Wardens actually know how and why, but really, any Warden should be the last person to point the figure when someone claims to have visions. While she believes they're coming from the Maker, there could be other sources - for example. what if, unknown to her, she had a Grey Warden among her ancestors and she somehow inherited some level of the taint and that was the source of the visions?

Regarding the Chantry-speak... well, the Chantry isn't exactly a pacifistic religion, and Leliana on the whole has views that are more moderate than the Chantry - she hates most of the oppressive things people do and appears to believe that in the end, what other people believe is Their Business. Now, she's clearly got coping mechanisms in place, but soldiers are real people as well, after all. Take a battalion of female soldiers, and there are probably decent chances that there'll be shoe discussions in lulls in the fighting - in fact, it might even be a healthy "safety valve".

Now, the knowing that she used to be an assassin with a certain modus operandi would be of some concern - she appears to be fundamentally a nice girl and seeking redemption, but considering when you meet her you know Loghain is already trying to make you dead, can you really trust her enough to put yourself in a position of possible vulnerability? At that point, it's really a judgement call - but when you think about it, Alistair is the only romance option that isn't loaded with risk of one form or another.

keesio74 wrote...

Morrigan gets pretty jealous too. Pretty hypocritical actually given her speech about no desire to infringe on your independence.

Morrigan is...interesting. She's been taught to believe in independance and love being rubbish and all that, but at the same time she's a young woman in her first relationship, and the heart and mind don't always agree.
 

[nubbers666]

Tandemir wrote...

If she creeps you out that much, select the option to ask her to leave...

Seriously though, she's a bit..obsessive at times which is no stranger than any woman I've ever dated (and eventually married. No offense to you women)

u say that as if guys arent just as bad it isnt just women

[Lotion Soronarr]

Olwaye wrote...
Long live princess stabity

ALL HAIL PRINCESS STABITY!!!!

Alos: I've yet to meet a person who doesn't often act compltely differently. I'm not consistent myself.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 28 janvier 2010 - 10:46 .

[Olwaye]

katie916 wrote...

Tandemir wrote...

If she creeps you out that much, select the option to ask her to leave...

Seriously though, she's a bit..obsessive at times which is no stranger than any woman I've ever dated (and eventually married. No offense to you women)

u say that as if guys arent just as bad it isnt just women

Agreed.
Personnaly, male or female I never met someone REALLY sane, we are human, so to put it in the word of Death in Hogfather( Terry Pratchett), we are the place were the raising monkey meets the falling angel.
So we are half monkey, half angel and half crazy, sanity is question of point of vew.

[SusanStoHelit]

draxynnus wrote...

Regarding the visions, I've been wanting the option to point out to her that Wardens have visions too. [snip]

Regarding the Chantry-speak... [snip]

Now, the knowing that she used to be an assassin with a certain modus operandi would be of some concern [snip] 

You've almost illustrated what I was trying to say - but not quite. None of these things in and of themselves would bother me. If each of them occurred alone - I wouldn't find her creepy. It's the 'package' that is creepy to me - the whole is greater than the sum of the parts, if you see what I mean.

Now, I can understand why others don't feel that way - and I certainly wouldn't expect them to change their point of view. What I was trying to explain was why I feel the way I do. I find clowns creepy. The surface need bear no relation to what's underneath. It's a facade, and you cannot tell what's really under there. I find that creepy. Sure, it could be something nice, but it might be anything. Maybe I just am very suspicious and have a very vivid imagination.

I actually prefer Morrigan, because she's completely honest about exactly who she is. All those who complain about her because of their failed romances - she told me straight up before we even started that it would only last as long as it suited both of us (not me, but both of us), and that love wasn't important because it was fleeting and illusory, followed by something like "survival is important, power is important". I knew it wasn't permanent, and undertook the relationship knowing that. I'm not crying big sobby tears when it's over as if I was deceived.

This is not to say Morrigan is a better character - or that I think other people should feel the way I do. Both characters are equally interesting to talk to, to interact with, to get to know. But I, personally, find Leliana a bit creepy. That's how she comes across to me.

I won't address the male romances, lol, because I've rabbited on enough.

[brgillespie]

I honestly missed the boat with Leliana. She was quite cute for a videogame character (even moreso with a mod I downloaded that changed Morrigan and Leliana to better represent their "Sacred Ashes" CG personas) but even at +100 my character and she never even mentioned the tango. Not even flirting. Oh, well.

[ReubenLiew]

SusanStoHelit wrote...


Now, I can understand why others don't feel that way - and I certainly wouldn't expect them to change their point of view. What I was trying to explain was why I feel the way I do. I find clowns creepy. The surface need bear no relation to what's underneath. It's a facade, and you cannot tell what's really under there. I find that creepy. Sure, it could be something nice, but it might be anything. Maybe I just am very suspicious and have a very vivid imagination.

This.
Bards = Jesters.
Jesters = Clowns.
Clowns = Creepy
Ergo, Leliana is creepy.

[draxynnus]

brgillespie wrote...

I honestly missed the boat with Leliana. She was quite cute for a videogame character (even moreso with a mod I downloaded that changed Morrigan and Leliana to better represent their "Sacred Ashes" CG personas) but even at +100 my character and she never even mentioned the tango. Not even flirting. Oh, well.

Oops, thought for a moment you meant Morrigan...

Basically, to get them onto the romance track you either have to be a little naughty yourself (Are your fruits forbidden?) or compliment them in flirtatious ways (take every opportunity you get to call them beautiful, for instance). If you keep your behaviour strictly professional and refer to them always as "friends", they'll do the same.

Note that the friend and romance tracks do have different titles - the "romance" track has things like "interested", "caring" (or something like that) and "love". Leliana seems to be the romance option that requires the highest approval before she'll share your tent, but on the other hand she's one of the easier companions to get approval for.

Ironically, most people seem to have problems with having Leliana fall in love when they don't want her to...

Modifié par draxynnus, 28 janvier 2010 - 01:29 .

[Maximus741000]

ReubenLiew wrote...

This.
Bards = Jesters.
Jesters = Clowns.
Clowns = Creepy
Ergo, Leliana is creepy.

Don't be an asschamp. She's not a clown or a jester, she's an orlesian bard who's killed because she's had to and been hunted becuase she was betrayed, but at the end of the day she wants peace and to put her skills to good use. She may be bizzare in her own way, but ultimately there's a bit of it in all of us.

[ReubenLiew]

No, you don't say? It's like I totally didn't play the game!
Bards are clowns, and that's all I have to say about that.
Damn bards.
Oh btw, she is not your waifu.

Modifié par ReubenLiew, 28 janvier 2010 - 06:30 .

[Addai]

Loki330 wrote...

Or keep picking the 'We are friends' options. They usually work if you stick to them.

This worked for me up til talking about what happened to Marjolaine.  I picked what I thought were innocuous responses, and next thing I know Morrigan is talking about me exchanging glances with "that girl."  This, when my character was deep into Zevran.  Right about the butterflies, but wrong person! 

[Wiggy74]

Can you have sex with both Morrigan and Leliana at different times. I think I missed the part for Leliana was hitting on me. But the one i wanted was Wynne even though she was an old lady but you cant get her to romance you.

[Maximus741000]

ReubenLiew wrote...

No, you don't say? It's like I totally didn't play the game!
Bards are clowns, and that's all I have to say about that.
Damn bards.
Oh btw, she is not your waifu.

Oh come on, I think this is bordering ridiculous. Perhaps I overstated, and used incorrect words to make a fairly excaggerated point, I shouldn't even be arguing about this. But still, you have my apologies for any idiocy on my part.

[haroldhardluck]

SusanStoHelit wrote...
The problem with Leliana, I think, is that she seems 'too nice' for her background, for what we know about her, and for her behaviour as well. Her behaviour and her speech don't 'jibe'. Therefore, perhaps it's all a mask, not real, a fake to lull us - as she did in the past with her victims. She reminds me of a certain doll - named Chucky.

Both Zevran and Leliana are very nice people despite being killers. Both were led into their professions by others and under different circumstances would have gone into different professions. Zevran was sold into slavery. Leliana fell in love with the wrong woman.

She was raised in a society where women were expected to be cute and helpless but she is a rather strong willed competent woman. So she normally acts "girly" because that is how she was raised to be but when push comes to shove, she will shove back. What she resembles is your typical anime heroine who is all cute and girly and capable of tearing killer robots to pieces.

Harold

[haroldhardluck]

Wiggy74 wrote...
Can you have sex with both Morrigan and Leliana at different times. I think I missed the part for Leliana was hitting on me. But the one i wanted was Wynne even though she was an old lady but you cant get her to romance you.

If you are male, the answer is "yes". You can romance Leliana and then do the ritual with Morrigan in the end.

Leliana is probably the hardest romance in the game to compete although it is one of the easiest to start. You start with some flirting in camp. Then you have complete the Majorline quest. Getting that quest is tricky. Then you have help her resolve her feelings about Majorline. You have to get her feelings up to 100. Then you have to flirt about 4 or 5 times more with Leliana while in camp. And only after all that, will she sleep with you. Some of the stuff can happen in parallel but overall, there was more work involved in romancing Leliana than any other character.


Harold

[SusanStoHelit]

Maximus741000 wrote...

ReubenLiew wrote...

This.
Bards = Jesters.
Jesters = Clowns.
Clowns = Creepy
Ergo, Leliana is creepy.

Don't be an asschamp. She's not a clown or a jester, she's an orlesian bard who's killed because she's had to and been hunted becuase she was betrayed, but at the end of the day she wants peace and to put her skills to good use. She may be bizzare in her own way, but ultimately there's a bit of it in all of us.

In face, Reuben was replying to my post, if you check. Where I said that I find clowns creepy. Now I don't see Leliana as a clown, he's wrong on that, lol. But she's like a clown in that she wears a mask (in the figurative sense). They both have a facade that hides what's underneath - and I find that a bit creepy. Now all the companions have a surface that hides certain things, but they don't give me that same 'vibe'. Zevran is also an assassin, but his exterior fits pretty well with that. It's the dichotomy of Leliana's character that puts me off, if that makes sense? The hidden parts of the others are still like them. With Leliana, it's like she's two entirely different people.

As I said, Leliana is interesting. I think she's a great character. I'm not criticising her on that level. She's just not as much to my personal taste as other companions. Okay?

[R-F]

i really like her character, she's cute, sincere, and reserved. plus who doesn't dig the french accent. i broke up with her just to see the dialogue and it actually made me kind of sad, because she gets depressed.



long story short i don't think shes crazy, instead i find her endearing.

[Creature 1]

Maximus741000 wrote...

ReubenLiew wrote...

This.
Bards = Jesters.
Jesters = Clowns.
Clowns = Creepy
Ergo, Leliana is creepy.

Don't be an asschamp. She's not a clown or a jester, she's an orlesian bard who's killed because she's had to and been hunted becuase she was betrayed, but at the end of the day she wants peace and to put her skills to good use. She may be bizzare in her own way, but ultimately there's a bit of it in all of us.

Zevran:  Killed people because otherwise he'd get killed.
Leliana:  Killed people because otherwise her girlfriend would dump her. 

I think it's weird how in Zevran's anecdotes you're supposed to respond "Dude, you killed her?", while in Leliana's anecdote you're supposed to respond, "Dude, your girlfriend's a traitor?"  The fact that she killed a guy on the way to finding this out is not even worth mentioning!