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[Eruanna Guerrein]

wwwwowwww wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

I don't think it's the pillow talk (it was more loving than the initial experience with Morrigan) so much as it's the fact that she's watching you sleep.

While fully dressed in armor.

After you've already extensively discussed her former life as a Bard and her modus operandi of sleeping with men...then killing them.

As she learned from her lover, a rather twisted Orlesian woman.

Is no one here married or a parent ffs?

I've watched my wife sleep, my daughter sleep, and my wife as done the same. How the hell is this creepy it's just one of the things that people in love or who love someone do from time to time.

It's not like she broke out the popcorn and was sitting there for hours, she got up and got dressed for all you know she had been there all of a minute when you awoke

You know Alistair watches the PC sleep too. It's totally sweet. Just like when you watch your kids and you or your loved one watch the other.

But I found it totally creepy when Leliana did it too. It surprises me that so many have talked about how childish Alistair can be but not many talk about how much Leliana talks and acts like a little girl. The way she talks totally reminds me of Cindy Brady (not a compliment) and she often acts live a 5 year old IMO too. And the pouting...  just ugh.

The scene I hate the most is when she tells you how she feels and you say you feel the same. Her reaction ("Really? Why didn't you tell me? You made me say all these things!") is just totally stupid. Who wouldn't be relieved at that moment to learn that you felt the same? A 5 year old, that's who, and even that is pushing it. I bet most 5 year olds would be relieved too.

[ReubenLiew]

SusanStoHelit wrote...

In face, Reuben was replying to my post, if you check. Where I said that I find clowns creepy. Now I don't see Leliana as a clown, he's wrong on that, lol. But she's like a clown in that she wears a mask (in the figurative sense). They both have a facade that hides what's underneath - and I find that a bit creepy. Now all the companions have a surface that hides certain things, but they don't give me that same 'vibe'. Zevran is also an assassin, but his exterior fits pretty well with that. It's the dichotomy of Leliana's character that puts me off, if that makes sense? The hidden parts of the others are still like them. With Leliana, it's like she's two entirely different people.

As I said, Leliana is interesting. I think she's a great character. I'm not criticising her on that level. She's just not as much to my personal taste as other companions. Okay?

I love it when they stand up for a digital woman's honor, eh?
Unless he was having a go at me for insulting bards, in which case I have no regrets. I hate bards, they are the clowns of the medieval ages.

[Treason1]

Creature 1 wrote...
Zevran:  Killed people because otherwise he'd get killed.
Leliana:  Killed people because otherwise her girlfriend would dump her. 

I think it's weird how in Zevran's anecdotes you're supposed to respond "Dude, you killed her?", while in Leliana's anecdote you're supposed to respond, "Dude, your girlfriend's a traitor?"  The fact that she killed a guy on the way to finding this out is not even worth mentioning!

Zevran: Sold into slavery.  Initially resisted the training.  Gave in and grew to enjoy it.  Still does, and makes no bones about the fact.

Leliana: Trained as a seducer, spy, assassin and entertainer.  Feel in love with her mentor, who used her, from what the evidence says.  She enjoyed the life, and to a certain extent, still does, but there's also a part of her that doesn't like the fact that she does (option to change this point of view).

I'm not really the best source of information or impartial judgment, on this.  I really like Leliana's character, and she ends up being my most oft romanced companion.  She's girly, chatty, isn't afraid of combat, and determined to remain cheerful or think past the dark things in her past.  She's got coping mechanics up the whazoo, but considering her past (murderer, seducer, spy..she was probably raped and tortured after being betrayed by someone she loved and trusted, then found a measure of peace and belief in the Chantry), I'd be more worried if she didn't seem a bit odd.

[Abreen]

As others have stated, it just isn't creepy to wake and find loved ones watching over you. Alistair is watching you after most of your dream sequences about the archdemon; Morrigan is watching you when you wake after Ostagar: why is Leliana creepy for watching you sleep?

Try waking up after a bad accident or long surgery with nothing but strangers about. Medical strangers, but still strangers.

Not creepy because it's been done to death. Surely you've noticed the resemblance? Put Dalish armor on Leliana and watch season 2 and later reruns of Xena. Leliana is Gabriele. Gabby was the bard that Xena would allow to watch her back while sleeping. Leliana even looks a lot like Rene O'Connor with red hair. Google it. Not a perfect resemblance, but the likeness is there.

That's why it's creepy, deja vu. You're wondering where you've seen the role. Morrigan's deja vu isn't all that old. Most of us remember Claudia Black from Star Gate. Read the credits. Most of us are recently accustomed to Claudia Black in these dark vamp roles - even with the old-vamp mother shrew.

I was in lust with Gabby from the first episode of Xena. Probably why I didn't get creeped out by Leliana. And as lusty as Claudia Black's voice and looks are, Rene O'Connor is still the most beautiful woman in hollywood.

Modifié par Abreen, 29 janvier 2010 - 07:44 .

[Gold Dragon]

Hmmm.... wierd.



I just got a new (to me) ending. Leliana is going off to study the Darkspawn (probably with Shale, who is returning to Ostagar for the purpose of crushing their heads). I got this by kicking Genitivi back to Denerim, and not talking to him again. So much for her always trying to get back to the Ashes...

[Creature 1]

Treason1 wrote...
Zevran: Sold into slavery.  Initially resisted the training.  Gave in and grew to enjoy it.  Still does, and makes no bones about the fact.

Leliana: Trained as a seducer, spy, assassin and entertainer.  Feel in love with her mentor, who used her, from what the evidence says.  She enjoyed the life, and to a certain extent, still does, but there's also a part of her that doesn't like the fact that she does (option to change this point of view).

I'm not really the best source of information or impartial judgment, on this.  I really like Leliana's character, and she ends up being my most oft romanced companion.  She's girly, chatty, isn't afraid of combat, and determined to remain cheerful or think past the dark things in her past.  She's got coping mechanics up the whazoo, but considering her past (murderer, seducer, spy..she was probably raped and tortured after being betrayed by someone she loved and trusted, then found a measure of peace and belief in the Chantry), I'd be more worried if she didn't seem a bit odd.

Actually if you talk to them Leliana seems to have enjoyed the killing more than Zevran, which makes sense considering she volunteered for it.  Zevran says he enjoyed it, but if you keep talking to him you find out a lot of the time he really didn't at all.  He says he'd keep on in that line of work, probably a good part of that is that's all he's been trained for since childhood and he has no idea what else he might do.  I think he'd be a lot more picky about what contracts to take as an independant assassin, though. 

Both Zevran and Leliana are conflicted about their pasts.  Leliana's easy to sway towards ruthlessness, while the PC can't sway Zevran like that, but may end up helping him dismantle some of his Crow mindset.