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[Virgulec]

Hmm, I'm kind of torn between the absorbing perspective(maybe because of the word). I found the codex to Fan'Harel in a small cave and the text mentioned them being "sealed away", not absorbed. "They trusted Fen'Harel, and they were all of them betrayed. And Fen'Harel sealed them away so they could never again walk among the People." For me, there is a great distinction here. Flemeth sealed away Mythal, or the other way around. Nonetheless, they are one, thus sealed away no longer a single concious entity. Or maybe I am reading too much into or out of it all.

[Jaron Oberyn]

It was obvious for me that Flemeth possessed Solas not the other way around. And her fiery dialogue with Morrigan about vengeance denied and her constant plotting was leading to that. She definetly seemed like she had a clear goal she must accomplish. I very much doubt that succumbing to Solas was that goal. There were no strong leads like that for Solas, he just seemed distraught and helpless in that final scene. And when Flemeth possessed Solas his eyes flashed exactly the same as in her scene with Morrigan in the Fade. I don't know about whether Solas is a god or what his real powers are, he didn't show them, but I definetly know that Flemeth is a god vessel and is perfectly capable of switching bodies.

 

Did we watch the same scene? Flemmeth was apparently supposed to punish Solas for what his bad judgement almost cost them. He considered himself too valuable to go through with the consequences, so he (seemingly) turns her to some sort of black stone. You can clearly see that Flemmeth isn't possessing Solas as she gasps in surprise when he starts to blacken her. 

[DarkSpiral]

Personally I prefered the "OMG THE OGB IS GONNA BE THE DAI PROTAG DESPITE BEING 10 YEARS OLD!" people.

Yeah, those people were amusing for a while too.

[DarkSpiral]

Did we watch the same scene? Flemmeth was apparently supposed to punish Solas for what his bad judgement almost cost them. He considered himself too valuable to go through with the consequences, so he (seemingly) turns her to some sort of black stone. You can clearly see that Flemmeth isn't possessing Solas as she gasps in surprise when he starts to blacken her. 

And clearly others interpreted it differently, including me.  You could be right, but there is room for either interpretation at this point.

[Equalitas]

Reveal who Flemeth was then give us a new mystery  Sad to see Kate Mulgrew go. Really hope she isnt gone for good

[KiwiQuiche]

She needs a willing host, however. Apparently Morrigan misunderstood the grimoire since we don't know exactly what it says. Also, Solas values freedom too highly to just let Flemeth possess him and she greeted him like an old friend. Friends typically don't steal each others bodies.

[Virgulec]

I don't know, this: http://dragonage.wik..._The_Dread_Wolftells me he is capable of all that and then some.

[DarkSpiral]

Hell that might not have been all of Flemeth.  I (possibly badly) quote DA2: "Just a piece!  A small piece, but enough for me to cling to."

[DarkSpiral]

I don't know, this: http://dragonage.wik..._The_Dread_Wolftells me he is capable of all that and then some.

That is not something we know.  That is a legend that the Dalish tell one another, and in DAI we learn that damn near everything the Dalish think they know about their people's history is badly off.  Because Oral histories are terrible at maintaining objective facts.  Oh, and they were enslaved by Tevinter for centuries.  That too.

Seriously, the idea that the legends that the forest vagrants tell each other around their campfires at night were actually correct in any reliable way is silly.  I'm glad that DAi has made it clear the Dalish have almost all of it wrong.

[Joseph Warrick]

As I see it I can interpret their dialogue in two ways. Real meaning of words included by me in brackets.

 

Solas: "I should pay the price. But the people. They need me. [so I'm killing you to get your pawa and continue my whatever it is I'm doing]. I'm sorry [for killing you].

Flemeth: "I'm sorry as well" [that you're killing me.]

[Solas kills Flemeth]

 

Or:

Solas: "I should pay the price. But the people. They need me. ["omg I don't know what to do, I'm a failure]. I'm sorry [for having failed those who needed me and giving the orb to the guy and everything else]

Flemeth: "I'm sorry as well" [for killing you for whatever reason]

[Flemeth kills Solas]

 

How much of this is due to external causes? For example Kate Mulgrew moving on from the series or similar reasons.

[Arijharn]

To me, Solas seemed remorseful enough to be 'willing'. When he said that the People still needed him, I thought that indicated his tacit approval to take him because of his regrets. Flemeth looks to me like she was the one holding all the cards in that entire sequence. Her gasping to me was just her body failing, she is Flemeth.

 

I thought there was a marked difference in Solas' entire mannerisms after the glowy stuff happened as well. Before he was regretful and even sad, afterwards he seemed to have renewed purpose and motivation that seemed entirely in contrast to the previous 30 seconds. We also know that Flemeth's body fails, which is why she needs to bodysnatch in the first place. 10 years is the difference between Origins and Inquisition, if she needed Morrigan after the events of Origins, then she's desperately in need of a new one by 10 years later.

[MoonDrummer]

Sola romance spoilers

I played as a female elf and romanced solas I also drank from the well and became a slave to Flemeth (coincidently having her valladis). So I interpreted the ending as him freeing me from her will especially as in the last romance part he offered to remove the slave markings. But seeing as everyone got this seen I guess I was wrong. Flemeth do say that a soul could only be given willingly just before she died so I imagine she wanted solas to kill her I wouldn't be surprised if she had a way out like in da2

[Jaron Oberyn]

And clearly others interpreted it differently, including me.  You could be right, but there is room for either interpretation at this point.

Not really. You just have to listen to the dialogue and watch what happens. Its clear what went down, not sure how people are thinking up these other wild theories.

[DarkSpiral]

Not really. You just have to listen to the dialogue and watch what happens. Its clear what went down, not sure how people are thinking up these other wild theories.

Because they're both wild theories.  You saw the scene and came up with what you came up with.

Others saw the scene and came up with what they came up with.  Obviously the scene can be interpreted differently, since that is what's happening.

And we could all be wrong.  I don't think we all are, one of two theories is probably true, given what information we have about the people involved, and their capabilities.  But the only ones who actually know work for Bioware.

[AsheraII]

Neither "killed" or "ended" the other if you ask me. They merged and live together now. The body is just the vessel.

[sylvanaerie]

Neither "killed" or "ended" the other if you ask me. They merged and live together now. The body is just the vessel.

 

Actually this is what I thought happened.  

 

When Flemeth takes the Old God Spirit from Kieran, it doesn't kill the boy.  Who he was (his original spirit) was still present in his body, sharing it with the one the ritual put in there.  

 

Oh well, only time will tell...

[Arijharn]

Neither "killed" or "ended" the other if you ask me. They merged and live together now. The body is just the vessel.

Omg, yet another theory. Stahp it!

[eternalshiva]

Well if we're going with crack theories:

 

Archdemons are the Elven Gods put to sleep, corrupted by the blight when the magisters tried to invade the golden city - The OGB is actually a cleaned Elven Spirit without a full vessel since it has to be shared with the boy. Mythal extracts the cleaned spirit, takes in herself but her body is unable to carry both so Solas, the newly awakened Elven God (spirit or what ever) absorbs Mythal, who's dying because she can't body hop trot, and the old god, giving him the power he needs to re-enter the eluvians and maybe, just maybe, waken the sleeping Archdemons and cleanse them free of the blight for an old spirits reunion and march on Thedas to reclaim their glory, go to war against Tevinter and the Qunari and give the dalish a history lesson on how sh*t really went down.

 

Works for me.

[NugHugs]

I'm confused on the whole "Gods" thing in Dragon Age. What is the definition of a god in the Dragon Age universe? I've always assumed that the beings called "Gods" were ancient races or perhaps a select few of the ancient races with a immense power, at least in the eyes of the common folk.

 

Solas said it himself " I'm exhausted from my slumber", or something along those lines. Surely this means his power has limitations, therefore not a god? Or did Solas exist in the current timeline and Fen'haral's soul merged with Solas's body as Mythal did with Flemeth?

[Fearsome1]

Hopefully we get a proper expansion this time. I don't like leaving things to next games, especially in a series that changes protagonists with each entry. I'd rather not have any returning cast members in the next DA, but a whole new cast for us to enjoy. 

 

In my humble opinion, this is the most likely path for Bioware to follow up on this particular reveal is within either an Inquisition expansion or significant dlc. I feel like they actually would have to bring over too many of the current companions in the fourth game to polish this off correctly, so I think you are correct in your guess.

[Reznore57]

I'm confused on the whole "Gods" thing in Dragon Age. What is the definition of a god in the Dragon Age universe? I've always assumed that the beings called "Gods" were ancient races or perhaps a select few of the ancient races with a immense power, at least in the eyes of the common folk.

 

Solas said it himself " I'm exhausted from my slumber", or something along those lines. Surely this means his power has limitations, therefore not a god? Or did Solas exist in the current timeline and Fen'haral's soul merged with Solas's body as Mythal did with Flemeth?

 

Well there's no clear definition of what is a God to begin with.

If you see them as gods , then they are Gods .

If you don't , they are simply powerful beings in a magical world.

[Capeo]

Not really. You just have to listen to the dialogue and watch what happens. Its clear what went down, not sure how people are thinking up these other wild theories.

I'm with you. You don't say, I'm the one who should be paying the price then... pay the price. The dialog is perfectly clear. Because he woke so recently he didn't have the power to use the orb, hence giving it to Cory. By taking Mythal's power it would seem he's then powerful enough to do what his people need.

[BuddyL0ve]

I honestly think it's playing off this...

"One day the magic will come back - all of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part and the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see."

Sandal's prophecy from DA2. Solas, Fen'Harel, has been asleep. He predates the Sundering, the loss of the immortal elves and the decline of the old magic.

And now he's back, and *clearly* not happy with the state of the world.

EDIT: And this kind of plays into something me and my friends have been discussing about the setting of Dragon Age. The "Crapsack Fantasy" setting. With Solas, all he reveals, and how advanced the Ancients were, I'm less inclined to call Thedas a Crapsack world.

It's Fallout: Thedas. It's a few thousand years after the fall of the Ancients, the fall of the old magic. It's a post-apocolypse setting.

[MissOuJ]

My jaw hit the floor at that point, too. I'd thought for a long while that Solas wasn't quite what he seemed to be, but a depowered elven God? Woah. And Flemeth, Mythal? Wow. That was a complete game-changer.

 

But talking with Abelas is the true truth bomb: no, Tevinter didn't destroy the elves, the elves' infighting is what caused their empire to fall. And apparently Mythal was betrayed and the Dread Wolf had nothing to do with it. My my, this is turning out to be really interesting! Maybe the ancient elven wars and the disappearance of the elven gods were linked?

 

Probably needless to say, but I absolutely loved that post-credit scene.

[NugHugs]

A theory came to me when listening to Solas rant on about the fade.

 

Could he be trying to remove the veil? I can't quote him exactly but there was a conversation where he asked the Inquisitor "Could you imagine if we could tear the veil down and live in harmony", or something along those lines. The Elven orb can manipulate the veil, perhaps this is what he had intended to use it for.