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[elikal71]

 I doubt it will take another 5 years. Dragon Age 2 was pushed out the door after 9 months development and was still an enjoyable game . . not necessary a fantastic sequel.

 

Now that they have the framework of DA: I to work from, I don't think it will take more than 2 or 3 years.

 

Flemeth absorbed Kieran's old god soul without harming him, so obviously what Solas did to Flemeth was a tad different. Argh so much obscurity.

 

 

See how horribly bad DA2 went because of the rush, I guess Bioware will NOT repeat that.

[SomberXIII]

Old elven temple was there. Even remnants of the civilization. That means Elven still survives. Oh god. Next entries would be exciting.

[TheRaccoon]

Here is my 2 cents:

Before Solas met Flemeth, she was putting a soul/essence through a mirror (eluvian?). I guess that is the Old God Soul from Kieran.

Solas said there is a price to pay. I guess that is the price to repair the orb/consequence of destroying the orb. Morrigan said there was a price to pay when she recovered her eluvian. Maybe it is the same with the orb. Flemeth was willing to pay the price for Solas as 'his people' needs him. Flemeth then died. (though she might resurrect somewhere else, idk)

When asked Solas 'who are his people', he said no matter who his people are, the Inquisition can help them. But he made it clear that his people are not the elves (but maybe ancient elves? His god friends?)

Solas needs the orb but he is too weak so he gave it to Cory. Why does Solas need the orb? To enter the fade physically?

[elikal71]

Old elven temple was there. Even remnants of the civilization. That means Elven still survives. Oh god. Next entries would be exciting.

 

Honestly, even as Dalish, I just killed them all. If they did not help or intervene or teach the other Elves, their continual existence was superfluous anyway. What good is all their knowledge, if they just hoard it for themselves and then sleep for centuries. Those selfish basterds. I felt a bit like a Sith, but killing them as Dalish was the greatest of fun. Didn't see that coming with all your bloated wisdom, eh? Muahahaha

 

 

Solas was royally pissed that I killed them. So he seems to be on the old Elves side. Why would be lie about that, when it would just challange my actions? So I guess he geniuenly cares for the old Elves. Something I can not understand. If the of Elf Empire died, it did for a reason, and just returning to the status quo ante would be ridiculous. I am sort of Darwinian in this. If something perishes, it usually does for a reason. I would like to see the Elves rise again, but not by "restoring the past", but by leading the Elves to a new, better future. From what we get, the past Elven society wasn't roses and daises as the Dalish believe, anyway.

[Jackal19851111]

I found the revelation incredible especially as my first playthrough was a Dalish elf. Would be great to have a re-emergence of the elves under their old gods. Still I was incredibly impressed with the old elven architecture and knowledge that they are still kicking!

 

Beware humans, for the Dread Wolf comes for you!

[Samahl na Revas]

Here is my 2 cents:

Before Solas met Flemeth, she was putting a soul/essence through a mirror (eluvian?). I guess that is the Old God Soul from Kieran.

Solas said there is a price to pay. I guess that is the price to repair the orb/consequence of destroying the orb. Morrigan said there was a price to pay when she recovered her eluvian. Maybe it is the same with the orb. Flemeth was willing to pay the price for Solas as 'his people' needs him. Flemeth then died. (though she might resurrect somewhere else, idk)

When asked Solas 'who are his people', he said no matter who his people are, the Inquisition can help them. But he made it clear that his people are not the elves (but maybe ancient elves? His god friends?)

Solas needs the orb but he is too weak so he gave it to Cory. Why does Solas need the orb? To enter the fade physically?

 

It could be anything, I did not see that Flemeth was putting something through the mirror until you mentioned it. However, I had a normal baby with Morrigan and Flemeth is still doing the same thing. As for Solas's motives: my guess are that he saw what giving freedom to the Elves did: it brought about nothing. I think Solas may wish to reverse that and allow spirits to rule. While Solas is one of my favorite characters right now, always loved that he was bald, I still see him as a trickster and god of rebellion. This is not the first time I seen him apologizing to a spirit, I recall he says something about when spirits die they eventually return but their personality is different and will not remember. That is how I took the whole apologizing scene between Flemeth and Solas. Whatever that spirit is when forced to change will become something else and they are apologizing to one another...

 

 

 

 

Flemeth planning ahead of time...Thanks.

[elikal71]

I found the revelation incredible especially as my first playthrough was a Dalish elf. Would be great to have a re-emergence of the elves under their old gods. Still I was incredibly impressed with the old elven architecture and knowledge that they are still kicking!

 

Beware humans, for the Dread Wolf comes for you!

 

 

It is what I hoped too. But knowing Bioware and the DA world, I am sure it will all end up in misery.

[Arijharn]

See how horribly bad DA2 went because of the rush, I guess Bioware will NOT repeat that.

 

I actually quite liked DA2. The only thing I didn't like was all the reused level assets that had minor differences which ultimately rendered their own map system completely useless.

[Jackal19851111]

It is what I hoped too. But knowing Bioware and the DA world, I am sure it will all end up in misery.

 

Perhaps, especially considering the elven gods weren't all benevolent either - but it sure lays a backdrop to a good story in the works!

[inusannonn]

Since this thread is about the ending, I have a small question for any of the hardcore Lore ppl if u can answer it would be awesome .....

Question: What vengeance does Mythal want and to whom does Mythal want to take vengeance on?

My reason for asking is new the very end, Flem highly stresses that she will whatever it takes to see Mythal has her revenge. (before summoning the Mythal guardian dragon test)

Also I did not let morrigan drink from the well in my first run in the game. Took a while to decide but I let my avatar take the risk.

So .... Whoever is Mythal now ? Solas / Flem? according to story now has control over my avatar inquisitor.

I think .... what might happen in maybe DLC? please don't hammer to hard on me it's only a small thought. Is that my avatar inquisitor will be controlled by either Solas Dread Wolf or Flem to help seek this vengeance.

Also recovering Skyhold was all part if the plan Solas Wolf or Flem.

And.... Cullen & Krem both say that our troops are still in Mythal and we are in no condition to fight atm. Cullen saying waiting on our forces to return.

So.... Mythal or Dread wolf now has out troops, planning to take Skyhold. And prob have influence via a new circle or magi created that is forming a rebellion again?

If this happens ..... Then I guess what's left of the people/team at Skyhold retreats and finds safety at one of the Keeps that my inquisitor had restored.

Dorian possibly finds a way to reopen a portal to go back in time (similar to the Mage option quest). My team goes thru the portal to find a way to stop it all from happening. But they need to find my avatar inquisitor to help.

In the end my inquisitor from past has to stop my inquisitor that is being controlled by Solas/Dread Wolf.

I donno prob just a stupid dumb thought but its what came to mind.

But if this is the case then that means that Cor is also still a threat and not dead or cast back into the fade.

Again prob just dumb idea but .... it's just what came to mind after the Solas / Flem scene.

Also ...... he note scroll in the scaffold in Solas room. This is what made drew a question to mind that Solas has other intentions.

I stopped taking Solas in my grp after that point. And I didn't know of the ending till after yesterday.

Solas = a Loki.

[WarBaby2]

Solas needs the orb but he is too weak so he gave it to Cory. Why does Solas need the orb? To enter the fade physically?

That's the real question now, isn't it? I mean, whatever his ultimate goal was, Flemeth/Mythal knew about it and wanted "it" to happen. Also, Cory didn't do with the orb what Solas wanted him to do, so he used the inquisition to stop him, he obviously didn't know that the orb would be destroyed by the Inquisitor, though. So, whatever the plan was, Solas failed in the end...

 

I still think Flemeth/Mythal did indeed absorb the Dread Wolf and take over Solas' body in the final scene, so now it's her turn to act on her plan, whatever it will be...

[SamanthaJ]

I still think Flemeth/Mythal did indeed absorb the Dread Wolf and take over Solas' body in the final scene, so now it's her turn to act on her plan, whatever it will be...

Maybe not.

 

[WarBaby2]

Maybe not.

Could be taken either way: Solas knew he would end up "vanishing" because he failed Mythal... Flemeth herself said that she is only a part of a larger entity, basically, and so could he. What if all the old gods are indeed one being? Very scetchy, metaphysical stuff...

[Virgulec]

That is not something we know.  That is a legend that the Dalish tell one another, and in DAI we learn that damn near everything the Dalish think they know about their people's history is badly off.  Because Oral histories are terrible at maintaining objective facts.  Oh, and they were enslaved by Tevinter for centuries.  That too.

Seriously, the idea that the legends that the forest vagrants tell each other around their campfires at night were actually correct in any reliable way is silly.  I'm glad that DAi has made it clear the Dalish have almost all of it wrong.

 

Okay then, what do we know? Since most of the information pertaining to this person/being is shrouded in fables and hand-me-down information, this is as good as any other information out there. To discredit these types of information sources as "campfire" stories is also, dear I say it, foolish. Most cultures(if not all) have some information that are accurate but have been "changed" slightly throughout the years. It doesn't mean there is not truth in it. It only means it can nolonger be considered the "only" source of truth, nothing else. And by labelling these sources like "forest vagrants" only sums up an in-ability to listen. How many historical "facts" have indeed turned out to be "altered"?

[Jackal19851111]

My first character, roleplayed as a stereotypical loyal Dalish had way too many disagreements with Solas but turns out I was talking to the bloody Dread Wolf all along! Sure makes me realise how little the Dalish knows of their own history.

 

Was going to go Qunari in my next playthrough but after such a revelation I have to play Dalish again, this time as mage (would be a severe change from killing mobs so fast with my DW rogue)

[WarBaby2]

After watching the Flemeth scenes when no old god baby was evolved, I think I figured it out. It's actually pretty simple:

 

Mythal basically is "the devil"... a fallen entity, cast from the havens (golden city) either through betrayal (most likely) or as some sort of punishment, and all she really want's is get back and have her revenge on those who wronged her. So, Flemeth, Solas (Dread Wolf), maybe even Andraste, and all the other "willing vessels" have just been stepping stones on her way there. Kinda makes sense... "Some day, Mythal just stopped listening (to the prayers of the elves)" - of course, that's when she was removed from the pantheon. Abelas (the leader of the ancient elven watchers) also claimed Mythal was killed, but not by the Dread Wolf, if anything he is the last remaining friend/ally among the gods she has left... so, she absorbing him after he failed to get here what she wants would be a logical conclusion.

 

Nice story, all in all, very "greek".

[DarkSpiral]

Here is my 2 cents:

Before Solas met Flemeth, she was putting a soul/essence through a mirror (eluvian?). I guess that is the Old God Soul from Kieran.

Solas said there is a price to pay. I guess that is the price to repair the orb/consequence of destroying the orb. Morrigan said there was a price to pay when she recovered her eluvian. Maybe it is the same with the orb. Flemeth was willing to pay the price for Solas as 'his people' needs him. Flemeth then died. (though she might resurrect somewhere else, idk)

When asked Solas 'who are his people', he said no matter who his people are, the Inquisition can help them. But he made it clear that his people are not the elves (but maybe ancient elves? His god friends?)

Solas needs the orb but he is too weak so he gave it to Cory. Why does Solas need the orb? To enter the fade physically?

That scene at the end happens even if your world state does not include Kieran, or if Morrigan and the Warden's child didn't come about because of the Dark Ritual, doesn't it?  Don't forget that the Dark Ritual may be popular, but it isn't canonical.

 

I'm actually pretty sure that scene happens at the Temple of Mythal.  Solas and Flemeth are standing in the now-empty Well of Sorrows, and she was fixing the eluvian that was shattered when the Inquisitor's party escaped from Corypheus.

[DarkSpiral]

Okay then, what do we know? Since most of the information pertaining to this person/being is shrouded in fables and hand-me-down information, this is as good as any other information out there. To discredit these types of information sources as "campfire" stories is also, dear I say it, foolish. Most cultures(if not all) have some information that are accurate but have been "changed" slightly throughout the years. It doesn't mean there is not truth in it. It only means it can nolonger be considered the "only" source of truth, nothing else. And by labelling these sources like "forest vagrants" only sums up an in-ability to listen.

 

What we know, via Solas, is that every legend the Dalish tell about their gods is wrong.  it is not any kind of a source of truth.  Just because its the only material we have to work with doesn't make it worthwhile.  Using information you know is heavily flawed to form the basis of a theory is foolish, not pointing out that the foundations is flawed from the get go.

 

And if the Dalish were real people, you might be right about my ability to listen, because I'd clearly be a bigot.  Since they don't actually exist, and the people that wrote this material just shone a big white light on all the Dalish legends and told us, through Solas, that the reality is so far removed as to be unrecognizable, what I am is attempting to maintain credible sources.  Which the Dalish legends, like all oral traditions, have now been proven to not be.

[NugHugs]

See how horribly bad DA2 went because of the rush, I guess Bioware will NOT repeat that.

 

DA 2 was the first game in the series I played and I really enjoyed it. After playing Origins, I can understand the screams of horror from dedicated fans. The only thing I miss from DAO is the quality of companions. Lol. . .  adding swear words doesn't make a game "mature"

Here is my 2 cents:

Before Solas met Flemeth, she was putting a soul/essence through a mirror (eluvian?). I guess that is the Old God Soul from Kieran.

Solas said there is a price to pay. I guess that is the price to repair the orb/consequence of destroying the orb. Morrigan said there was a price to pay when she recovered her eluvian. Maybe it is the same with the orb. Flemeth was willing to pay the price for Solas as 'his people' needs him. Flemeth then died. (though she might resurrect somewhere else, idk)

When asked Solas 'who are his people', he said no matter who his people are, the Inquisition can help them. But he made it clear that his people are not the elves (but maybe ancient elves? His god friends?)

Solas needs the orb but he is too weak so he gave it to Cory. Why does Solas need the orb? To enter the fade physically?

 

It's hard to say what relevance Kieran's old soul even has without knowing the nature of the soul transfer. Did she absorb it? Did it become apart of her as Mythal did? Same applies to the credit scene. Flemeth said a soul can't be transferred to an unwilling vessel, shouldn't that mean it can't be forced out of the current vessel as well?

 

[Virgulec]

What we know, via Solas, is that every legend the Dalish tell about their gods is wrong.  it is not any kind of a source of truth.  Just because its the only material we have to work with doesn't make it worthwhile.  Using information you know is heavily flawed to form the basis of a theory is foolish, not pointing out that the foundations is flawed from the get go.

 

And if the Dalish were real people, you might be right about my ability to listen, because I'd clearly be a bigot.  Since they don't actually exist, and the people that wrote this material just shone a big white light on all the Dalish legends and told us, through Solas, that the reality is so far removed as to be unrecognizable, what I am is attempting to maintain credible sources.  Which the Dalish legends, like all oral traditions, have now been proven to not be.

I see your point. Here comes my but thought ... Aren't we suppose to treat the information sources in the game as "real"? In-game real I mean. If yes, then the "truth" as heard from Solas could also be diluted. Remember he is the great trickster or deceiver. What I'm getting at is, we can not simple dismiss the other sources of information as non-important. Solas can not and should not be the only source of information referring to the Dales. I refuse to accept this. Otherwise the tidbits of information littering the game here and there are nothing more than garbage in the game. I have come to understand the information in this game to be a type of puzzle. Just like the Dalish information is taken with a pinch of salt so should the information from Solas be treated as well.

[elikal71]

I see your point. Here comes my but thought ... Aren't we suppose to treat the information sources in the game as "real"? In-game real I mean. If yes, then the "truth" as heard from Solas could also be diluted. Remember he is the great trickster or deceiver. What I'm getting at is, we can not simple dismiss the other sources of information as non-important. Solas can not and should not be the only source of information referring to the Dales. I refuse to accept this. Otherwise the tidbits of information littering the game here and there are nothing more than garbage in the game. I have come to understand the information in this game to be a type of puzzle. Just like the Dalish information is taken with a pinch of salt so should the information from Solas be treated as well.

 

 

I think we can try to go through it like a detective.

 

First, Solas supports the Inquisition right away, so we can assume, Cory's opening of the veil was not what Solas wanted. So he wanted Cory to do something. Cory however seemed strangely... dull for a "bad guy". It can be assumed, Cory wasn't really aware who Solas was, otherwise Corys outcry to Dumat to "help him" would not be there. But what DID Solas think Cory would do? I have the impression this is the weakest part of the story, because Solas just handing the Orb to Cory without any real instructions... could he not forsee that Corypheus would do exactly that? That sort of miscalculation either reveals an unexpected stupidity in Solas, or a weak part of the Plot from Bioware.

 

Second, we must assume Solas did not want to raise any suspicions. If one has to hide his true identity, we can guess he will agree with the Inquisitor. Reversly, we can thus assume where he critizises the actions of the Inquisitor, he is genuine. And in these we have the following:

- Solas heavily critizised me killing the Elven Priests in the Mythal temple, as a waste, destroying the remains, so he seems to like the old Elven world; there would be no profit in lying about that

- he intervened with Cole, trying to keep him more as Spirit, and critizised me a lot for helping Cole to become more human PLUS

- he told how he thought the Spirit World and the Mundane World should be connected, a VERY risky thing to say given how most people view the spirits and the spirit world. Again nothing truly to gain form saying that at this time, so we may conclude he is somehow honest here, in his support of Spirits. He does seem to see the seperation of material world and "Fade" as wrong.

 

Third, all tricksters are arrogant, believing in the supriority of their intellect, so they never can fully conceal their true nature and desire. He said, he failed. We can not be sure about what, but the connection of spirit and material world sounds like the most likely thing, he wanted to achieve. Morrigan muses, she too wants to see a return of the "magical ways of old", and detests humanity for seeing the Fade and the Spirits so evil. Solas repeatedly explains how the Spirits are mostly irritated and sort of "driven mad", when they enter the Material World, because it is not changable as they know it. So they follow their nature and try to change it otherwise, usually violent, but he claims, they are not inherintely evil.

 

ONE possible conclusion of the true origin of the Blight may thus be, that it is a result of the unnatural seperation of the Spiritual and the Mundane world. Without that strong seperation, there would be no "demons" and no Blight?

 

The big question is then: How did the seperation happen? I think that is the 1 million dollar question.

[MoonDrummer]

I can imagine my female elf eating ice cream watching Bridget jones diary

[SeraphimNL]

I don't think the ending is very vague at all to be honest... Just watch it again. There's a few key linings:

 

1. Solas seeks out Flemeth, not the reverse. She was waiting for him perhaps, but it's an important indication of who holds the momentum in the meeting.

2. Flemeth acknowledges a mistake Solas made, Solas agrees (saying he was too weak at the time), and then says that he should be the one to pay the price for his failure - but the People need him - this tells me that he does in fact not intend to pay the price.

3. Solas starts the "magic" first, with a very determined look at that, whilst Flemeth doesn't look all that happy when she makes the famed gasp.

 

What it means I cannot say with absolute certainty, but to me it looks like Wolfy took the old god spirit from Flemeth, something both of them sort of consented with. Whether Flemeth/Mythal herself was transferred as well, I don't know. 

 

(I was pretty delighted by the way, playing as a Dalish elf mage who had a great friendship with Solas made him one of the most interesting characters to me, and Solas confided a lot of things in my inq which made a lot more sense in hindsight)

[Montana]

Whatever it means, I'm very glad I played a female Dalish and romanced Solas.

It brought a feeling I don't think I would have gotten otherwise.

 

And all because I wasn't happy with how my human Inquisitor looked after 2 hours...

[Rencor2k]

When i saw this for myself after the credits, i was actually VERY surprised. I didn't even see it coming.