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[DuVessa]

I could not decide who possessed who...just another story line that Bioware uses to keep us wanting more! I am hoping my elven god-mancing that it's Solas who is alive, but I never put one past Bioware to break my heart in a game!   It would be great if Flemeth and Solas somehow survive.....now that is worth putting on my Christmas list! lol

[DarkSpiral]

Just because Flemeth is Mythal does not mean she cannot also be Andraste...

 

Don't you guys get the references?  She was BETRAYED.  Andraste was betrayed.  Mythal came to a young woman who was begging the gods for power for justice.  This completely sounds like Andraste to me.

 

Well, Teyrna Cousland (Human Noble's mother) gets betrayed by Arl Howe.  That doesn't make her Andraste. She can't be, because Andraste has been dead a very long time.  Flemeth cannot by Andraste.  Not because she was Mythal but because we actually know that Flemeth, the woman, was born after the Chantry started naming the Ages.  Therefore, Andraste had been dead for a very long time.  Not quite as long as when Howe betrays the Couslands, but still much to long ago for it to be the same woman. 

The fact she was betrayed is not nearly enough.  Plenty of people get betrayed, that doesn't make them Andraste.

[Fragoos]

Mythal was murdered long ago, her essence found Flemeth. Her friend Fen'harel and she were trying to ressurect her (Mythal). The grimoire Morrigan found with the ritual was far more complex than she could comprehend. The sole purpose of Morrigan joining the warden for the blight was to perform a ritual, get pregnant with old god soul. The vessel needed by Mythal. I think Fen'harel created the orb to bring Mythal back to the Fade in her ressurected state. With no godbaby no vessel and Mythal dies. Flemeth's body was at it's limit and she needed another host desperate. Morrigan was unwilling and she only had her friend to turn to.

[Fragoos]

I think Mythal died, her last energy containing her wisdom etc got absorbed. Kinda like that well works. Note How sorry Fen'Harel is that his plan failed and they where saying goodbye to one another.

[10K]

I thought Flemeth stole his body. Hm...guess not.

[NugHugs]

I believe the word God in the Dragon age universe just means one with great power

 

That's subjective though.

[DarkSpiral]

That's subjective though.

 ExelArtz did use the words "I believe," so yes, it is subjective.

 

Did you disagree with what Excel was saying, or were you...er...I actually have no idea what you were trying to say with that, actually.

[VICIOUZ]

So is Flemeth the ancient dragon? Or is it just a piece of her like in DA2 when you got her quest at the very begining of the game?

[DarkSpiral]

I don't think it's either of those.  Did you beat Cory yet?

If so:

Spoiler

The Ancient Dragon dies.  The Red Lyrium Dragon that everyone thinks is an archdemon kills it.  Do it definitely isn't Flemeth herself, though I suppose it could be invested with some of Mythal's power.  I doubt it though.  Give her current state of existence, it seems she probably doesn't have enough to spread around like that.

[NugHugs]

 ExelArtz did use the words "I believe," so yes, it is subjective.

 

Did you disagree with what Excel was saying, or were you...er...I actually have no idea what you were trying to say with that, actually.

 

I wasn't referring to his own belief in what the definition of a god is. I meant the measuring of power is subjective. Some would say the Inquisitor has immense power. I suppose I was venting my frustrations on how empty the god term is and how using it to describe or label something has no meaning.

[VICIOUZ]

Damn wish I wouldve known that . Killed all the dragons except the Ancient one saw flemeth ( Im a fan of hers) so I decided not to fight her . Yet as soon as I entered Mythals alter I knew it would be a fight? Because of the arena and nothing happened so I was kinda mad I didnt get to kill all the dragons on my 1st playthrough .

[Arijharn]

Probably the only real definition of what a god is, is this: "More powerful than you."

 

Corey clearly had a belief of how powerful a God is, and maybe the only requirement is if you believe you have the power to be one and no one else can gainsay you.

What makes it somewhat bemusing to me though is he spent all game dismissing the Gods as empty, but at the very end he asks for their favour to defeat the Inquisitor.

 

As for the Inquisitor being a God, Morrigan practically spells it out that out of your earshot people are praising your name. Perhaps belief is enough?

[M Hedonist]

I think we can assume Sandal's part of the Elven god pantheon. Where was he during DAI, anyway? They had already set up in DA2 that he and Bodahn were going to Orlais. Seems weird not to have him in the following game which takes place in Orlais for a large part of the game, everyone was expecting them to show up - maybe they're gonna be in DLC.

[Dragoonlordz]

I think we can assume Sandal's part of the Elven god pantheon. Where was he during DAI, anyway? They had already set up in DA2 that he and Bodahn were going to Orlais. Seems weird not to have him in the following game which takes place in Orlais for a large part of the game, everyone was expecting them to show up - maybe they're gonna be in DLC.

 

I am also guessing DLC. He has always been the mascot of the franchise to me, present in all and it would be very surprising if is not present in at least the DLC since they did not put his potential content in main game.

[DarkSpiral]

Probably the only real definition of what a god is, is this: "More powerful than you."

 

Corey clearly had a belief of how powerful a God is, and maybe the only requirement is if you believe you have the power to be one and no one else can gainsay you.

What makes it somewhat bemusing to me though is he spent all game dismissing the Gods as empty, but at the very end he asks for their favour to defeat the Inquisitor.

 

As for the Inquisitor being a God, Morrigan practically spells it out that out of your earshot people are praising your name. Perhaps belief is enough?

 

Well, he was crazy.  Damn near anyone that think that's repeating the same action that's already failed while expecting different results (in this case, entering the Fade and claiming the Golden/Black City) is certainly crazy.

[NugHugs]

I think we can assume Sandal's part of the Elven god pantheon. Where was he during DAI, anyway? They had already set up in DA2 that he and Bodahn were going to Orlais. Seems weird not to have him in the following game which takes place in Orlais for a large part of the game, everyone was expecting them to show up - maybe they're gonna be in DLC.

 

I read somewhere that Sandal would be explained in Inquisition . . . not sure where though.

[Arijharn]

Well, he was crazy.  Damn near anyone that think that's repeating the same action that's already failed while expecting different results (in this case, entering the Fade and claiming the Golden/Black City) is certainly crazy.

metagaming a bit I'll grant you, but even if he was crazy it was a serious enough attempt to gain a God's attempt to stop him (Solas' alliance with the Inquisitor), and the Spirit of the Divine's help as well (which, this may be just me but her transformation sorta just made me think she could have been Andraste anyway, who knows what Andraste was in the first place and the Divine's presence certainly could be described as fortuitous)

 

I can't think all these aspects (plus some more) could come together if he was otherwise doomed to failure from the start.

[LPPrince]

I just finished my playthrough of Inquisition.

 

172 hours.

 

And that post-credits scene floored me.

[ColloquialAnachron]

 

As for the Inquisitor being a God, Morrigan practically spells it out that out of your earshot people are praising your name. Perhaps belief is enough?

 

 

  I think one can make an even stronger case for the Inquisitor becoming a "god" by the end of the game than him simply being believed in (which obviously counts too).  Other than the whole death/resurrection thing, consider the progression of the Inquisitor's power over the course of the game.  At the outset, you're barely able to close a single Rift without Solas's help.  About midway through the game you start to be able to create a rift which acts like an anti-rift to demons and wraiths.  Eventually you can even use rifts as a kind of escape route when endangered.  Finally, at the very end, you effectively absorb the power of the Anchor to the point that not only does it become completely drained and shatter, but you're able to create a singularity within a very powerful mage and vaporise him into the Fade (flowery language for effect, not literal).

 

   Thinking about this in the context of the lore, this means your character can physically enter, exit, and essentially enjoy domain over (the rift power still functions in the Fade, think about that) a realm that was thought to be exclusively ethereal in nature with only one near-apocalyptic exception.  Corypheus even hints at this after the fall of Haven when he both derides you for stealing the anchor but notes it is permanently fused to you - while firmly stating that he won't suffer a rival.  Keep in mind that crazy or not, Corypheus thinks he'll become a god and is clearly powerful enough to convince some very powerful Tevinter mages to fall in line.

 

  By the end of the game, you're powerful enough to use a kind of magic as a deadly plaything that a(n albeit weakened) god in Fen'Harel lacked the strength to even access.  Some of this Godhood-within-the-rules-of-DA is clear by Solas's talks with you near the end of the game, as he isn't "just" talking to you about what you'll do with the Inquisition's power once the threat has passed.  He's probing you to see what you intend to do with this god-like power once you don't have a world ending threat to deal with - because the last time anything had a power resembling yours, he had to lock them all up and is now trying very hard to fix the resulting consequences.

[LPPrince]

Man, this is gonna be THE talk for a loooooong time

 

GOOD

[Virgulec]

 

How do the Avvar gods and goddess fit into everyone's theory?

 

of course one must ask what is a god or goddess?

 

As a polytheist IRL(I practice hellenisomos or greek polytheism) my view of what is a god or goddess is much more loose then someone who is used to the monotheistic view. As an example, I do believe that places can have nymphs, nature spirits, to them especially natural features, like rivers, lakes, mountains and so on. 

 

I bring this up because when people talk about 'true gods' I always wonder what they mean by that. The fact that the nymph is only on a local level does not diminish the fact she or he is still divine to me. The elven gods may have been powerful mages, though considering they can jump bodies they have some interesting magic. they may not need to be all powerful but that doesn't mean they are no less true IMO.

 

Side note: I am a Christian and believe in one God, and no other.

However, I take this game's(and other games) definition of gods as nothing more than beings with immense mythical power, really nothing more. It all stays in the game for me. Maybe my dislike for the Solas PC make my gameplay react to his/it's logic in a way intended I dare say(well done writers). In the end their intentions are/is to revive the "old magic" as Morrigan also states. My opinion is, if they were/are, game reality, truly gods(my naive thinking) they would never have suffered being tricked, locked away and abused as they were, and still are. The Tevintians believe Andraste was a mage, so do I. But the same goes for all those "old gods" too. I never really understood how her ashes(if it really was hers) was able to heal(I took that route) the Arl.

 

Side note: I played my char as anti-chantry and pro Maker. I'll admit the chants in Haven after siding with mages REALLY get(new play through) on my nerves. Every corner some foolish "Magic is made to serve man, blahblah" and was even surprised when Viv repeated the same foolish sentiment. I hate conversations with Viv and Solas, really.

[jellobell]

Side note: I am a Christian and believe in one God, and no other.

However, I take this game's(and other games) definition of gods as nothing more than beings with immense mythical power, really nothing more. It all stays in the game for me. Maybe my dislike for the Solas PC make my gameplay react to his/it's logic in a way intended I dare say(well done writers). In the end their intentions are/is to revive the "old magic" as Morrigan also states. My opinion is, if they were/are, game reality, truly gods(my naive thinking) they would never have suffered being tricked, locked away and abused as they were, and still are. The Tevintians believe Andraste was a mage, so do I. But the same goes for all those "old gods" too. I never really understood how her ashes(if it really was hers) was able to heal(I took that route) the Arl.

 

Side note: I played my char as anti-chantry and pro Maker. I'll admit the chants in Haven after siding with mages REALLY get(new play through) on my nerves. Every corner some foolish "Magic is made to serve man, blahblah" and was even surprised when Viv repeated the same foolish sentiment. I hate conversations with Viv and Solas, really.

Well Solas doesn't believe they were gods either.

 

Solas/Cass banter:

Spoiler

Cassandra: Solas, if you do not mind me asking, what do you believe in?

Solas: Cause and effect. Wisdom as its own reward, and the inherent right of all free willed people to exist

Caasndra: That is not what I meant

Solas: I know. I believe the elven gods existed, as did the old gods of Tevinter. But I do not think any of them were gods, unless you expand the definition of the word to the point of absurdity. I appreciate the idea of your Maker, a god that does not need to prove his power. I wish more such gods felt the same

Cassandra: You have seen much sadness in your journeys, Solas. Following the Maker might offer some hope.
 

Solas: I have people, Seeker. The greatest triumphs and tragedies this world has known can all be traced to people.

 

Solas strikes me as a humanist (heh). He doesn't believe in gods, only people, and that there is no ultimate good or ultimate evil, just people making decisions. And all you can do is make the best decisions you can with the information you have. Though surprisingly he's still a staunch idealist. He believes things can be better than they are, and that the worst thing is to just give up without trying.

[Never]

I was hoping someone would mention this! I couldn't remember where I heard Solas state that he didn't believe the elven gods were actually gods. Between that and the final scene... Wow. Love finally getting some answers

[Little Princess Peach]

I think what he did was absorb Mythal specifically. Flemeth then died since Mythal was that which was keeping her alive. Perhaps Solas is trying to collect the whole set?

or maybe Morrigans mothers uplaoded her soul inside of solas my gwad can you imagine how bad the romance would be if containued in dlc?