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[Ieldra]

The epilogue told me that my Inquisition was powerful because its army was feared. That doesn't match up with my roleplaying. So I wonder: what exactly determines which type if Inquisition we get?

 

To clarify: it has been confirmed that there are variations about how your Inquisition is regarded in the epilogue. I am looking for the influence factors that decide which variation you get.

 

If it's Inquisition perks: that would be bad, because most of the perks give you gameplay-related benefits, which is why you use them to make up for your own gameplay deficiencies, which means you take them exactly for areas you do NOT focus on. For instance, if you're good at exploring, you won't take "Eagle Eyes" because you don't need it. If you loot everything and everywhere and consequently have more than enough money and craft all your best equipment, you won't take the merchant perks because you don't need them. On the other hand, if you're bad at combat you will likely take the focus perks, because that can help you out when things get dicey.

 

If it's the type of advisor you used to unlock areas, then the problem is that some of the descriptions make more sense than others. I chose based on the explanation that made most sense to me. Particularly for the "connections" branch, the explanations often sounded weak.

 

If it's a majority of war table operations done by your different branches, then there is the problem that I tended to choose my spy network to do the most time-consuming (i.e. important) missions, which gave the others the time to do several operations in the same time.

 

So, what is it? I would rather like my epilogue to match my roleplaying more closely, Both an epilogue favoring connections or espionage would be appropriate. Forces, not so much.

[SirDoctorofTARDIS]

I think it's based of Inquisition perks, I definitely gave everyone the same amount of time on the War Table so it can't be that. Checking the Inquisition perks, I had 9 points in Forces and Six each in Connections and Espionage which was consistent with my epilogue slide.

[DarkSpiral]

Don't forget that each of your agents count as a perk as well, so if you recruited a lot of Forces agents, you did in fact create a military oriented Inquisition.

I hadn't considered that the Inquisition epilogues would be different, however.  Has anyone actually gotten a different one?  The idea that the Inquisition has a very large standing army is hardly a stretch.

[Kantr]

Huh. I thought it was about who you chose to do wartable missions. Not the perks.

[Ieldra]

Don't forget that each of your agents count as a perk as well, so if you recruited a lot of Forces agents, you did in fact create a military oriented Inquisition.

I hadn't considered that the Inquisition epilogues would be different, however.  Has anyone actually gotten a different one?  The idea that the Inquisition has a very large standing army is hardly a stretch.

I don't exactly know if there are different epilogues in this, but it sounds like it should be variable. The text says that the Inquisition has power because its army is feared. It gives off a very specifically militaristic impression which would feel out of place if you did everything with Connections. I'll have to check my perks when I get home, then i can say more. I didn't choose more than three Forces perks - the two focus perks and the mage schematics, and IIRC I have more Stealth agents than Forces agents, but I'll check.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Interesting, I wasn't aware there were variations of the inquisition in the epilogue. 

[ShieldWarden]

Well, that's just silly. Using perks instead of wartable placement? I seems like I do Connections way more than anything else, but Forces feels like it has the most useful perks in the game.

[DarkSpiral]

Interesting, I wasn't aware there were variations of the inquisition in the epilogue. 

Well, that's my point.  OP is assuming that there are differences.

Hm.  If there are in fact variations on that epilogue slide, it could also be tied to your influence level.  I maxed it out, and when I ask Blackwall what he thinks of the Inquisition, he tells me that if we mobilized all our forces, we'd shake all of Thedas.  Cullen and Josephine both have variations of what they say to the same question, and I've been assuming it was based on the level (1-20) of your Inquisition rating.

[Ranadiel Marius]

Well, that's my point. OP is assuming that there are differences.

Hm. If there are in fact variations on that epilogue slide, it could also be tied to your influence level. I maxed it out, and when I ask Blackwall what he thinks of the Inquisition, he tells me that if we mobilized all our forces, we'd shake all of Thedas. Cullen and Josephine both have variations of what they say to the same question, and I've been assuming it was based on the level (1-20) of your Inquisition rating.

I have max level and Blackwell comments to me that the Inquisition is everyone's best friend and he doesn't know how Josephine pulled that off.

[TheRevanchist]

There are in fact variations. I just finished my second play through. The first time I got the military one. This time I got everyone is now the Inquisitions best friend, how we have a web of influence all across Thedas.

[Ieldra]

There are in fact variations. I just finished my second play through. The first time I got the military one. This time I got everyone is now the Inquisitions best friend, how we have a web of influence all across Thedas.

OK so that's clarified. Do you have a majority of perks in "Connections", or is it your impression that you did most war table operations with Josephine and that's why you get this result?

[Knight of Dane]

It depends on the advisor you use the most. If you go to Blackwall after the destruction of Haven and ask him "you thoughts on the Inquisition" he will start saying a line that relates to the direction the Inquisition is going.

 

If it's Leliana he will say "I think everyone is looking over their shoulder blah blah."

If it's Josephine he will say "this Inquisition is everyone's best friend. How Josephine blah blah."

 

I haven't had Cullen be dominant yet.

[DarkSpiral]

There are in fact variations. I just finished my second play through. The first time I got the military one. This time I got everyone is now the Inquisitions best friend, how we have a web of influence all across Thedas.

Sweet deal.

I've actually had Blackwall speak both the lines for "everyone's friend" as well as the "our forces would shake all of Thedas."  And yes, within the same playthrough.  I'd assumed it was a random line, like when asking Cassandra or Vivienne about the rest of the party members.

[Abaddon_86]

Sweet deal.

I've actually had Blackwall speak both the lines for "everyone's friend" as well as the "our forces would shake all of Thedas."  And yes, within the same playthrough.  I'd assumed it was a random line, like when asking Cassandra or Vivienne about the rest of the party members.

 

Huh? Your slides were read by Blackwall? Oo

Mine by Morrigan.

[DarkSpiral]

Huh? Your slides were read by Blackwall? Oo

Mine by Morrigan.

What?  No no, I mean when I talk to him, over in the barn at Skyhold.

[Knight of Dane]

I tested it out a bit yeterday where I made Josephine gather materials a couple of times and Blackwall changed his line from the Leliana one to the Josephine one, so you can manipulate it to what you like.

[TheRevanchist]

The game is very inconsistent with a lot of things lol

[holdenagincourt]

Hmm my epilogue described the Inquisition along the lines of watching and listening everywhere, and that that was its weapon. Blackwall's feedback on the Inquisition is also a "secrets"-aligned line. I did a lot of Leliana missions for gathering resources though, while Josephine undertook longer plot-related missions and Cullen gathered gold poorly, so it's not surprise that her total mission count in the end was higher.

[littlebrightpanda]

I usually use the diplomatic approach over everything and I always get Blackwall and Josie saying that we're everybody's best friend. It might also be related to the judgements, because I have always chosen the most diplomatic version there as well. 

 

Regarding perks, I put most in the spy network, then comes forces and then diplomacy.

 

Maybe the system is as complicated as the divine one?

[Ieldra]

Hmm my epilogue described the Inquisition along the lines of watching and listening everywhere, and that that was its weapon. Blackwall's feedback on the Inquisition is also a "secrets"-aligned line. I did a lot of Leliana missions for gathering resources though, while Josephine undertook longer plot-related missions and Cullen gathered gold poorly, so it's not surprise that her total mission count in the end was higher.

Ah, so it appears to depend on total operation count and using my preferred advisors on lengthy and important tasks while sending the less preferred ones to collect resources is actually counterproductive?

[holdenagincourt]

Ah, so it appears to depend on total operation count and using my preferred advisors on lengthy and important tasks while sending the less preferred ones to collect resources is actually counterproductive?

 

I suspect that might play a role, but I am not sure. I've started a new playthrough so will try testing some variations and I'll report back here (with Blackwall's feedback, the end outcome I won't know for a while).

[DracoAngel]

My first two play throughs I had the feared epilogue due to my army, I think I had more points in Forces. My last one said that I had "ears in every court", and had more points in Secrets (recruited a LOT more agents for Secrets this time around that I missed previously). I also had a new dialogue choice in some conversations that looked like a raven, I had never had that before and am unsure where I got it. But it allowed me the use of using intelligence(secrets) and recruiting spies.

 

I think the choice comes from how many agents you have tbh. But idk

[GT409]

I got the "Diplomacy" ending, and I think the operation count is what determines it. It seemed like I usually used Josephine or Leliana for operations, but apparently I used diplomacy more.

 

I don't think perks effect the result - I had almost every Secrets perk, slightly less then half of the Forces perks, and only one Connections perk. If this includes Agents, I had 3 agents in Connections, 3 in Secrets, and 4 in Forces.

 

It would be nice to see a breakdown of how operations are decided: "You have used: Connections - 33%, Secrets - 39%, Forces - 28%"

[tanuki]

I also had a new dialogue choice in some conversations that looked like a raven, I had never had that before and am unsure where I got it. But it allowed me the use of using intelligence(secrets) and recruiting spies.

 

Pretty sure it's underworld knowledge perk (I got all the dialogue perks, although not even once got noble extra dialogue option . Magic perk so far seemed most useful to me)

[Jaron Oberyn]

There are a few points in the game where characters ask you what kind of Inquisition you will be, perhaps that factors in. I hadn't paid much attention to it though, since I didn't know the epilogue changed. Been too focused on the Divine variables as of late. Would be good to have someone look into this just as I and many others have done for the divine outcome.