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[Shadow Fox]

A simple solution to this in my eyes. Get rid of romance. Will people be upset by this? Yes. Will people leave over it? If romance is all they care about in these games then I suppose. But nowhere near the numbers that would actually damaage sales. I say this because the drama and the finger pointing at various groups who feel cheated by the lack of romance for their particular preference. It is a complaint that never seems to go away from these games and to be frank, its getting dreadfully old. People demand one thing for their specific group at the expense of other groups. It creates drama that can be avoided. I say just drop romance all together. People get dramatic and demanding and seem never satisfied with what they are given. It comes off as ungrateful to Bioware who takes the time to even tackle this topic. If people only demand more more and more I see little point in continuing on with romance in general.

By that logic the game should just become a visual novel.

 

I won't comment yet again on this topic because I've already given my thoughts every other time this has come up.

[celestialfury]

will this forum ever go through a time when there won't be someone whining about Dorian's sidequest or how downtrodden straight males are because they don't like their romance options on the first page? stay tuned. 

[jtav]

Given the collective responses--and discounting the extremely important idea of creative freedom--I wonder if some orientations should have been rethought. I've never seen as many women go "I want to romance that" and men go "I don't want to romance that" as I have with Cassandra.

[CuriousArtemis]

Given the collective responses--and discounting the extremely important idea of creative freedom--I wonder if some orientations should have been rethought. I've never seen as many women go "I want to romance that" and men go "I don't want to romance that" as I have with Cassandra.

 

It's because those who are unhappy have the loudest voices ^^ If you're really enjoying the game and feel very satisfied with what you got in regards to romances you aren't going to talk about it as much.

[Nefla]

If you don't care about the characters, their personalities, their stories, and how they mesh with the plot and just want some eye candy then why not go play some kind of hentai game and stop whining that the characters in DA:I look like real people instead of battle bikini clad Barbie dolls and act like real people with their own opinions instead of being a shy, submissive wallflower.

[daveliam]

It's because those who are unhappy have the loudest voices ^^ If you're really enjoying the game and feel very satisfied with what you got in regards to romances you aren't going to talk about it as much.

 

Agreed.  If Cassandra were lesbian and Sera were straight, I suspect that the complaining would be about the same, just with different voices.

 

Although there is alot of interest in the straight characters from the gay and lesbian players.  Blackwall and Cassandra in particular.  Just wasn't meant to be, though.

[CuriousArtemis]

Not really, the all bi route got just as many complaints as now

 

And if Bioware went that route there would only be 4 LIs, which would be taking away a potential good romance for someone else 

 

Yeah but you could say that they could've done 2/2/2 in DA2 and we could've gotten, say, Aveline and Varric as LI. Aveline and Varric are straight, Isabela and Anders are bi, and Merrill and Fenris are gay (no reason why, just naming names). If you play gay male characters you don't get Varric either way. So the "2/2/2 provides more options" only works for some people.

 

In regards to your first point, I did point out that they got complaints for that (going all bi) but I also said they were unfair complaints. Cause they were lol They were pretty stupid reasons to complain. Most stemmed from angry straight guys who didn't like Anders hitting on them or (more) angry straight guys who think the world is 98% straight and thought having four bi friends was "unrealistic."

 

IMO only good reason to have 2/2/2 is that it allows you to have gay and lesbian romances. Otherwise all bi is the best option.

 

Everyone having the same choice is better than having more romances as whole, but YMMV (and it will, from person to person).

 

Generally, people who play multiple genders and orientations will do well with 2/2/2

 

Whereas people who prefer to play less varied genders or orientations prefer all bi.

[Netzachs]

DA:O -  No Dwarf romance options. [If you're straight male, you only get human options (Well.. one option may be a spider/bear/wolf at times... but I'm not sure it was used for kink in bed)]
DA:II - No Dwarf romance options.
DAI - No Dwarf romance options. [If you're straight male, you only get human options]

I am making no point with this random set of facts. Just throwing them out there. Also, if EA reads this - I want my Female Qunari option!

[MoB]

DA:O -  No Dwarf romance options. [If you're straight male, you only get human options (Well.. one option may be a spider/bear/wolf at times... but I'm not sure it was used for kink in bed)]
DA:II - No Dwarf romance options.
DAI - No Dwarf romance options. [If you're straight male, you only get human options]

I am making no point with this random set of facts. Just throwing them out there. Also, if EA reads this - I want my Female Qunari option!

You do get to sleep with a female dwarf in Origins though. You also get a threesome in Denerim with Isabella.

 

And I also want a romanceable female Qunari. Just, you know, not a DA:I Qunari...

[TripGodblossom]

Video game "romances" are just the worst and Bioware's insistence on them being front and centre is just vomit inducing.

 

Add in those Team America style sex scenes and it just starts to kill game immersion.

 

Amazes me that anyone other than hormonal 12 year olds bothers with them, let alone cares enough to spawn so much discussion. People are very strange.  

[Ailith Tycane]

As a woman who really wanted to romance Cassandra as a female character, please **** off forever with these posts, sweet Jesus.

 

I'm normally not this annoyed by this, but this is probably the 9,000th post about how Josephine is boring and Cassandra is an ugly zealot and "boys don't like that."

 

Grow up.

 

And of course bisexual characters would have more options, why is that a surprise? 

[carlo angelo]

Video game "romances" are just the worst and Bioware's insistence on them being front and centre is just vomit inducing.

 

Add in those Team America style sex scenes and it just starts to kill game immersion.

 

Amazes me that anyone other than hormonal 12 year olds bothers with them, let alone cares enough to spawn so much discussion. People are very strange.  

 

Gosh, I know! It's such a crime that people can care about romance and the gameplay and the story at the same time!

 

But you're so above that. Bravo!

 

[Netzachs]

As a woman who really wanted to romance Cassandra as a female character, please **** off forever with these posts, sweet Jesus.

 

I'm normally not this annoyed by this, but this is probably the 9,000th post about how Josephine is boring and Cassandra is an ugly zealot and "boys don't like that."

 

Grow up.

 

And of course bisexual characters would have more options, why is that a surprise? 

I'm sorry, did I misread this? Did you just imply since you didn't get your way with romance options no one else should complain either? That's odd.

Or are you implying that since you can are satisfied and can deal with the romance options you were given other people should be able to deal with the ones they were given, especially if it is the one you personally were attracted to... Dorian might have something educational to tell you about that one.

Anyways. Glad to know that other people pointing out things they didn't like/ wanted more of in a thread designed for developer feedback and community discussion has irritated you to the point of foul language.

[Ascendra]

Video game "romances" are just the worst and Bioware's insistence on them being front and centre is just vomit inducing.

Add in those Team America style sex scenes and it just starts to kill game immersion.

Amazes me that anyone other than hormonal 12 year olds bothers with them, let alone cares enough to spawn so much discussion. People are very strange.

Funny. If i recall the game is 150 hours worth of content. I'm 73 hours into the game and i've had what, 3 romance-related conversations? Yeah, thats definitely very front and center.

[Chaos17]

Well it wouldn't have hurt Bioware to put a a third male straight romance. You know parity  between genders and race in game ?

 

[Steelcan]

Three romance conversations? That's like half the main questline!?!?

[Andraste_Reborn]

DA:O -  No Dwarf romance options. [If you're straight male, you only get human options (Well.. one option may be a spider/bear/wolf at times... but I'm not sure it was used for kink in bed)]
DA:II - No Dwarf romance options.
DAI - No Dwarf romance options. [If you're straight male, you only get human options]
 

 

There have never been any dwarf romances in any BioWare game, despite the fact that they've been making games containing both dwarves and romances since 2000.

 

At least we have advanced from the days of Baldur's Gate 2, when none of the NPCs would sleep with you if you played a dwarf.

[daveliam]

Well it wouldn't have hurt Bioware to put a a third male straight romance. You know parity  between genders and race in game ?

 

 

But who?  The only major female NPCs left were Leliana and Vivienne. 

 

Leliana is already spoken for by many of the players in their Warden playthroughs, so while that might have satisfied some, it would still have created a situation where many guys still only have two options.  Unless you want Leliana to cheat on the Warden with the Inquisitor.

 

Vivienne is in a relationship already that plays an important part of her story arc.  She's not interested in romancing the Inquisitor during or after

Spoiler

the death of her lover.

  So she's out as well.

 

So.....who?  The only other female NPC who shows up regularly is Harding.  But the reality is that she's got about 15 minutes worth of content related to her in this game.  I could see her showing up in future games as a LI, based on her popularity, but her role doesn't seem significant enough in DA: I.  I mean, people complain about Josephine's NPC status and you interact with her in every single major storyline, plus she has a 'companion quest' devoted to her.  If she's not a 'real romance' because of her NPC status, I can't imagine how people would be happy with Harding, unless they revamped her entire character just to make her more prominent for romance purposes. 

 

I guess there's also Morrigan, but she's in the same situation as Leliana. 

 

 

At least we have advanced from the days of Baldur's Gate 2, when none of the NPCs would sleep with you if you played a dwarf.

 

Exactly.  Dwarves, half-orcs, and gnomes were completely shut out in BG2, despite there being 4 romance options. Racist!

[MrSnoozer]

Are people complaining about people complaining in this thread?its funny how the shoe is on the other foot when it isn't about lack of female options in games i.e stop complaining/your being entitled/etc

 

Whilst i'm enjoying romancing Cassandra atm, i think an issue is that you mainly get as a hetero male only one travelling companion who you can romance with.

 

I like Josephine but i'd have prefered an extra travelling companion. You know where you see her more than just at your Base. Where the decisions you make in the world affect her approval rating of you. Was supprised about Vivienne.

 

Lesbian players are also in the same boat i think?

 

Gay males and straight females get 2 choices in travelling companions as romance options. Not that it stops me choosing 'Dorian or sera' for example but i personally like to travel with the one i choose as my romantic partner

 

Might seem stupid but i bet the majority of players try and give preferential treatment to their preffered romance option when the choose companions for missions. So i do think its a relevant opinion

 

I havn't gotten far into the story but i do think Vivienne as available to either gender would have solved this issue (Nowhere near ending the game so i take it its story related she isn't available) the picture of her so far i can see why she isn't interested (power does attract some people)

 

When i'm done my first play through i'l get around to playing a female and see how it pans out.

 

And to those complaining about people complaining about romance in a game. Romance is a big selling point for those who enjoy the story of Dragon age it differs from the witcher because you create the character you want to play and thus it affects the people around you (the effect it has is your possible romance options)

[daveliam]

Are people complaining about people complaining in this thread?its funny how the shoe is on the other foot when it isn't about lack of female options in games i.e stop complaining/your being entitled/etc

 

You do see the irony in your comments, right?  LGBT and female players have been told that complaining about romances is ridiculous because it's a minor selling point and 'not the actual game'.  This has been happening for years.  Until a game comes out where the two romances for straight guys aren't typical bombshells and now suddenly romances are vitally important.  It really just highlights the hypocrisy on the boards.  And the hypocrisy is flowing hard in both directions.

 

That being said, the LGBT and female players who tell straight guys that they shouldn't complain or provide feedback at all are equally wrong.  If it's well and good for us to voice our concerns, it's well and good for straight guys to voice theirs as well.  I tend to think that the majority of the 'complaining about complaining' is less about telling people to just be happy with what they get and more about the histrionics and conspiracy theories that are flying around.  I've yet to see anyone silence someone who voices a logical and polite request for different female LI's in the future games.  Unfortunately, that has rarely happened.  It's mostly been 'agenda!" and "pandering!" and "shoving down our throats!" and "we are the majority!" and "they are taking away our options!" and "punishing straight guys!" and "SJWs!"

 

 

I havn't gotten far into the story but i do think Vivienne as available to either gender would have solved this issue (Nowhere near ending the game so i take it its story related she isn't available) the picture of her so far i can see why she isn't interested (power does attract some people)

 

I always like to do a single female PC playthrough and I often like those gals to be bisexual or lesbian.  I was desperate for Vivienne to be a LI prior to the game being released.  She's just perfect to me.  But, having completed the game once already, I can say that I am very happy with her story arc and think it's much stronger without her being a romance option. 

[karushna5]

Yeah but you could say that they could've done 2/2/2 in DA2 and we could've gotten, say, Aveline and Varric as LI. Aveline and Varric are straight, Isabela and Anders are bi, and Merrill and Fenris are gay (no reason why, just naming names). If you play gay male characters you don't get Varric either way. So the "2/2/2 provides more options" only works for some people.

 

In regards to your first point, I did point out that they got complaints for that (going all bi) but I also said they were unfair complaints. Cause they were lol They were pretty stupid reasons to complain. Most stemmed from angry straight guys who didn't like Anders hitting on them or (more) angry straight guys who think the world is 98% straight and thought having four bi friends was "unrealistic."

 

IMO only good reason to have 2/2/2 is that it allows you to have gay and lesbian romances. Otherwise all bi is the best option.

 

Everyone having the same choice is better than having more romances as whole, but YMMV (and it will, from person to person).

 

Generally, people who play multiple genders and orientations will do well with 2/2/2

 

Whereas people who prefer to play less varied genders or orientations prefer all bi.

 

Exactly my point, but the difference is if varric is not a romance regardless, would it have been better that gay men would get  Fenris as an admittedly gay character? That is the difference. Whether the options are liked or not, the question is would it be better to not have varric be an option for you, but Fenris can be gay and unambiguous about it.  Or Fenris is bisexual that is purposely shown somewhat ambiguous (unless you play a male character) and Varric isn't an option for anyone?

 

Either way, varric isn't an option. 2/2/2 provides the same options for a gay or straight person who can't play other sexualities or genders as all bi. It's an illusion that either is better than the other in terms of number of options. The difference is... Is it worth other people having an option you don't, and may not have had regardless, to also have characters that are representative of your sexuality? That really is the only difference between the 2 systems. Is one recognizes a broader spectrum of sexualities but at the same time makes more romances to cover them so everyone has options not available to others. or there are 4 options that have the same sexuality that is only recognized for 1 or 2 characters depending on your gender but available to everyone.

 

Same number of options, different experience. So is it worth it if varric who would not be available anyway was straight and available to women, if Fenris was only available to men?

[BobZilla84]

I absolutely love both Cassandra and Josiephine but I fall firmly in the camp that believes Vivienne should have been a LI either Straight or Bi  either would have been fine but instead we got only 1 LI that can accompany us.

 

And in regards to Biowares not making Dwarf LIs its stupid they dont mind us Dwarf fans romancing Humans,Elfs & now Qunari but they wont make some proper Dwarf LIs its stupid.

 

And wheres the brothels DAI needs Brothels with both Female Dwarf & Qunari options available seriously add this in DLC.

[MrSnoozer]

You do see the irony in your comments, right?  LGBT and female players have been told that complaining about romances is ridiculous because it's a minor selling point and 'not the actual game'.  This has been happening for years.  Until a game comes out where the two romances for straight guys aren't typical bombshells and now suddenly romances are vitally important.  It really just highlights the hypocrisy on the boards.  And the hypocrisy is flowing hard in both directions.

 

That being said, the LGBT and female players who tell straight guys that they shouldn't complain or provide feedback at all are equally wrong.  If it's well and good for us to voice our concerns, it's well and good for straight guys to voice theirs as well.  I tend to think that the majority of the 'complaining about complaining' is less about telling people to just be happy with what they get and more about the histrionics and conspiracy theories that are flying around.  I've yet to see anyone silence someone who voices a logical and polite request for different female LI's in the future games.  Unfortunately, that has rarely happened.  It's mostly been 'agenda!" and "pandering!" and "shoving down our throats!" and "we are the majority!" and "they are taking away our options!" and "punishing straight guys!" and "SJWs!"

I always like to do a single female PC playthrough and I often like those gals to be bisexual or lesbian.  I was desperate for Vivienne to be a LI prior to the game being released.  She's just perfect to me.  But, having completed the game once already, I can say that I am very happy with her story arc and think it's much stronger without her being a romance option. 

 

 

 

I wasn't taking anyone's side. i just find it hypocritical of 'Both sides' of the arguement. I just think both sides have valid and invalid points , and we shouldn't dismiss or respond to them negatively or in a back handed way.

 

As for Vivienne

 

Yeah she interested me aswell. I originally was planning on romancing her but then i found out she wasn't a LI so went to Cassandra (who is proving to be having a disaproving effect on my party every time i try and please her.... reminds me of morrigan lol)

[hwlrmnky]

I may be tossing this into the wrong thread at the wrong juncture but I really think they missed an opportunity by making Cassandra male-only romance. I was not looking for any but I swear she has chemistry with my elf female Inquisitor. My Inquisitor used to self-identify as straight but now she's just not sure...