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[vertigomez]

Again, people seem to think that because they - personally - don't like their choices, they have no choices at all.

"Well, I'm ONLY interested in playing a straight male city elf who hates mages and will only date another elf who also has to put out or it's not a REAL romance... where's my uninhibited hetero/bi elf rogue/warrior lady, BioWare? WHY ARE YOU DELIBERATELY DOING THIS TO ME?!"

Like it's cool if you wanna express your preferences for the next game or whatever, but acting like the devs are out to get you because they didn't comb through your porn stash and take your preferences into account before creating their characters is a bit daft.

[Aulis Vaara]

Yeah, the straight men are really being whiny about this one.

That's an offensive generalization. I think both characters are interesting. I think it's unfair men don't get an elf romance though. For role playing reasons. An elf probably would want their kid to be an elf, as too much was already lost.

That is somewhat racist, but it makes sense for a Dalish.

[daveliam]

Or maybe Bioware should just leave romance out of the game entirely? That would make it more tolerable.

In my case I have no proper romance option. I can chose between Sera, a psycotic on crack, or Josephine where the romance is scraped?

In this game you can only have a REAL romance if you're playing as a male, and if you chose Cassandra Pendaghast. That's the way it is. Follow the oldfashion ways or get lost buddy! That is what the game tells me.

And that disappoints me seriously. Jez... we don't live in the middelages anymore.

 

Soooo......you just don't like your two choices?  Okay.  Don't play a romance.  You have two romances available to you.  Two REAL romances.  I hated Zevran's romance in DA: O.  Guess what?  He still counted as an option for me.  I got to chose to either:  romance no one, play my character differently and romance someone else, or suck it up and romance him.  I lived.  So will you. 

 

Instead of complaining about what you didn't get, why don't you make suggestions about what you want to get in future games?  They are likely in development for DA 4 as we speak.  Seems a good time to try to make this thread productive. 

[Sir DeLoria]

I can understand what you mean, OP.

But honestly if you don't like the male hetero options, just don't do any. Romance isn't exactly a major, mandatory feature, it's just an optional side quest path.

[Lady Artifice]

But they shouldn't change him just because some people can't play a male PC to experience his romance arc

 

That's actually a large reason why I don't like romance mods 

 

 

No they shouldn't. I was stating it as a positive. It works in story AND it forces me to move outside my comfort zone, so yay.

 

Two thumbs way way up.

[pengwin21]

Josephine?

Sure, yes.
The romance is fine. You flirt, do her favors, flirt some more, she blushes, keeps the mask a bit and finally sends Leliana to be sure you are straight with her. Then you kiss her on the balcony. And then you kiss her in the garden, and keep kissing her in the garden. And that's it. Finish.

Cullen?
Nah, males don't turn me on. So, I'm basically lost here. I am a male who like to have female heroes, and because of my choice of protagonistand therefore I can not have access to the good romance?

Yes, yes, I know. It's probably a mother-thing and so on....
But apart from that I think it would be easy enough to change a few bits and bytes to let everyone have it the way they like it?

 

It actually isn't that easy because all the cutscenes have to be redone for each gender/race combo that is allowed.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Boy, we've fallen pretty far from the days when people were playing through the Garrus romance side plot, just because he was cool.

[Panda]

Or maybe Bioware should just leave romance out of the game entirely? That would make it more tolerable.

In my case I have no proper romance option. I can chose between Sera, a psycotic on crack, or Josephine where the romance is scraped?

In this game you can only have a REAL romance if you're playing as a male, and if you chose Cassandra Pendaghast. That's the way it is. Follow the oldfashion ways or get lost buddy! That is what the game tells me.

And that disappoints me seriously. Jez... we don't live in the middelages anymore.

 

BW games would lost a lot of their appeal and replay value for huge portion of players if they did this. Romance is one of reasons why lot of people value their games higher than other companies no matter how much they keep downplaying their value.

 

Dorian is most closest what I look from romance so I will roll male Inquisitor for him. Qunari mage should be nice. I'll also romance Cass and Cullen, maybe others too. I guess it's easy to me though since I don't have any problem playing different genders and races (though it irks me if my planned character doesn't work cause sudden gating like what happened with race-gatings).

[CuriousArtemis]

But I think Bioware should stop determinating who romances who, and let the players decide for them selves. After all this is a game and not real life. We buy it to be entertained. Not to be disappointed. That means having a good time, and not to be limited and locked into behaviors we don't want to.

It's absolutely bunkers not to create free romances in the game!

 

 

I disagree, I like that characters have their own preference.

 

And so it goes on and on and on... lol There will always be people on both sides of this one. Plus replayability means different things to different people. 

 

Person #1: Give me lots of options for my character

Person #2: Give me options for lots of different characters

 

I am in camp #1; others are in camp #2. Neither is right or wrong. You just have to pray that you luck out next go around.

 

As it stands, for now, DAI has no replayability for me. It is too long and tedious to replay for the story, and having only one romance I "kind of" like out of two is not enough to make me replay, just to see someone different in the Fade, for example. 

 

For others, the fact that different romances force them to play different kinds of characters is a good thing and adds to replayability. For them, DAI is their game, and they are very lucky this go around

[MelissaGT]

Boy, we've fallen pretty far from the days when people were playing through the Garrus romance side plot, just because he was cool.

Garrus will forever and always remain one of my favorites!!!

[Xilizhra]

Soooo......you just don't like your two choices?  Okay.  Don't play a romance.  You have two romances available to you.  Two REAL romances.  I hated Zevran's romance in DA: O.  Guess what?  He still counted as an option for me.  I got to chose to either:  romance no one, play my character differently and romance someone else, or suck it up and romance him.  I lived.  So will you. 

 

Instead of complaining about what you didn't get, why don't you make suggestions about what you want to get in future games?  They are likely in development for DA 4 as we speak.  Seems a good time to try to make this thread productive. 

Bad argument. Having only Zevran as an option sucked and using it as a good standard is, in my opinion, wholly misguided.

 

Though, I admit that, unless Vivienne had been written as being less utterly vile, we were probably stuck with the lesbian options we had.

[CuriousArtemis]

Bad argument. Having only Zevran as an option sucked and using it as a good standard is, in my opinion, wholly misguided.

 

Yeah, ILU Dave but I have to agree with Xil here lol Zevran/Leliana is an example of when complaining and petitioning for more is actually a good thing.

[Ailith Tycane]

I'm sorry, did I misread this? Did you just imply since you didn't get your way with romance options no one else should complain either? That's odd.

Or are you implying that since you can are satisfied and can deal with the romance options you were given other people should be able to deal with the ones they were given, especially if it is the one you personally were attracted to... Dorian might have something educational to tell you about that one.

Anyways. Glad to know that other people pointing out things they didn't like/ wanted more of in a thread designed for developer feedback and community discussion has irritated you to the point of foul language.

 

Whenever  a post like this pops up, it tends to be dripping with entitlement, like OP's post. Heterosexual male gamers have been catered to since forever, and the idea that they didn't have any choices in this game is a ridiculous complaint, and should be called out as such. 

 

I played as a female bisexual elf in this game. I objectively had the most options as far as romance available to me and I just happened to not really like any of them personally. Now I will talk all day about how I think Cassandra should have been gay/bi and how it was a missed opportunity on Biowares part, but what I will never complain about is the fact that I was somehow denied any choices in the game. I have a lot, I just happen to not enjoy them, and the one that I did want is not available to me.

 

Also the complaint that Cassandra is an aggressive unattractive tomboy, and that is somehow a turn off, is extremely inappropriate at this point. We've already had the floods of man children run through the forums complaining how Cassandra is ugly. It was inappropriate then and it is still inappropriate now, just because OP worded their post with less expletives than them doesn't make it acceptable.

[daveliam]

Yeah, ILU Dave but I have to agree with Xil here lol Zevran/Leliana is an example of when complaining and petitioning for more is actually a good thing.

Bad argument. Having only Zevran as an option sucked and using it as a good standard is, in my opinion, wholly misguided.

 

Though, I admit that, unless Vivienne had been written as being less utterly vile, we were probably stuck with the lesbian options we had.

 

Ha.  Yeah, I can see how that could be read that way.  I used that one because it was the only game where I didn't have a single romance option that I at least kind of liked.  I only like to speak for myself, so it kind of limited my examples in this case.  If I had hated Kaidan and Steve or Anders and Fenris, I would have used them.  I almost used DA2 because I'm indifferent to both of them, but even that is better what people are saying about Josie and Cass.

 

Bad example, but I stand behind my point.  Not liking your options =/= as not having options. 

[CuriousArtemis]

Yeah I got super lucky in DA2. I loved all four of them and romanced all of them. It was glorious!

 

If I'd had the opportunity to romance everyone in DAO it'd have probably been primarily Alistair and Morrigan, with one Zevran just to try it. 

 

I bet the Bi options for DAI would've been Blackwall, Cass, Sera, and.... Dorian or Bull? Bull required extra time to make him work with dwarves, but Dorian's entire story is linked to his sexuality.

 

Methinks all bi was never even considered for DAI.

[daveliam]

Yeah I got super lucky in DA2. I loved all four of them and romanced all of them. It was glorious!

 

If I'd had the opportunity to romance everyone in DAO it'd have probably been primarily Alistair and Morrigan, with one Zevran just to try it. 

 

I bet the Bi options for DAI would've been Blackwall, Cass, Sera, and.... Dorian or Bull? Bull required extra time to make him work with dwarves, but Dorian's entire story is linked to his sexuality.

 

Methinks all bi was never even considered for DAI.

 

Yeah, I suspect that it wasn't ever on the table for DA: I.  Neither Bull nor Dorian would have worked for the reasons you stated.  Bull was supposed to be race-gated up until the last minute and Dorian's storyline could have been switched to a generic 'arranged marriage' one, but it would have lost a little in my opinion.  

 

Out of the 8 m/m options in all of Bioware history, the DA guys were dead last for me until this game.  It wasn't until Dorian (and likely Bull, but TBD) that I actually liked one of my options in a DA game.  (But I still only hated Zev)

[veeia]

I still don't understand how Josie isn't classically beautiful. To me, she is the most gorgeous character and her romance is adorable, if not my cup of tea.

I can understand feeling disappointed about the options available to your character...Solas, Cass and Dorian are my favorite LI so far, but my primary character was a dwarf lady. So it goes. They had lovely friendships and now I'm enjoying their romances with lady elf and male dwarf.

I'd also love to have a dwarven or Dalish LI. Or Viv as one. Or a f/f option that appeals to me more. Or a lot of things. But ultimately, as long as Bioware is making a variety of options for all sexualities, genders, and races...I can't complain too much. Or I can, but I know those complaints are just wishes, not...whateve strange entitlement crops up around these discussions sometimes.

[AresKeith]

Yeah I got super lucky in DA2. I loved all four of them and romanced all of them. It was glorious!

 

If I'd had the opportunity to romance everyone in DAO it'd have probably been primarily Alistair and Morrigan, with one Zevran just to try it. 

 

I bet the Bi options for DAI would've been Blackwall, Cass, Sera, and.... Dorian or Bull? Bull required extra time to make him work with dwarves, but Dorian's entire story is linked to his sexuality.

 

Methinks all bi was never even considered for DAI.

 

I remember DG or Allan saying if they went all BI again there would only be 4 LIs and the core LIs for DA:I was 6 people

 

I think they never considered it either

[daveliam]

I still don't understand how Josie isn't classically beautiful. To me, she is the most gorgeous character and her romance is adorable, if not my cup of tea.

I can understand feeling disappointed about the options available to your character...Solas, Cass and Dorian are my favorite LI so far, but my primary character was a dwarf lady. So it goes. They had lovely friendships and now I'm enjoying their romances with lady elf and male dwarf.

I'd also love to have a dwarven or Dalish LI. Or Viv as one. Or a f/f option that appeals to me more. Or a lot of things. But ultimately, as long as Bioware is making a variety of options for all sexualities, genders, and races...I can't complain too much. Or I can, but I know those complaints are just wishes, not...whateve strange entitlement crops up around these discussions sometimes.

 

I.O.U. one 'like"

 

Seriously, is it the Depression on BSN?  Why are they rationing likes like this?  I feel like I've run out by noon everyday this week.....

[CuriousArtemis]

Out of the 8 m/m options in all of Bioware history, the DA guys were dead last for me until this game.  It wasn't until Dorian (and likely Bull, but TBD) that I actually liked one of my options in a DA game.  (But I still only hated Zev)

 

Poor Zev!!!

 

For me it would be...

1. Fenris

2. Kaidan

3. Zevran

4. Anders

5. Bull

 

Those are all the guys I've romanced. Only other person I've romanced "fully" is Isabela. I would put her at #3. I did romance Merrill but never finished the game with that playthrough b/c it was like my 30th playthrough xD

[jtav]

I tend to gravitate to the women. Bastila, Silk Fox, Miranda, Traynor. To the extent that I've wondered if something's wrong with me. And I'm still looking for a DA romance I can be enthusiastic about. Though I think I should probably give Cullen another shot.

[daveliam]

Poor Zev!!!

 

For me it would be...

1. Fenris

2. Kaidan

3. Zevran

4. Anders

5. Bull

 

Those are all the guys I've romanced. Only other person I've romanced "fully" is Isabela. I would put her at #3. I did romance Merrill but never finished the game with that playthrough b/c it was like my 30th playthrough xD

 

I've done 7 out of the 8 of them (and Bull is quickly incoming; I recruited him my dwarf last night)

 

1. Kaidan (always and forever)

2. Dorian

3. Steve

4. Sky

5. Anders

6. Fenris

7. Zev

I've also completed the romances for:

* Carth, Juhani, Alistair, Leliana, Liara, and Jacob (with a partial run-through for Morrigan [just to get the achievement] and Isabela)

 

But to bring it back to the topic at hand, I'm jealous of those who get to romance Cass this time with their preferred Inquisitor.  I actually think that this romance story seems like one of the best from the bits that we get to see of her personality in the friendship arc.  She's incredibly complex and surprisingly feminine and romantic.  I like the duality of her personality.  And, I've said from the beginning that I think she's actually a fairly attractive gal (if one swings that way).
 

[Br3admax]

Cullen?
Nah, males don't turn me on. 

What does this have to do with anything? It's one thing to feel uncomfortable, no one can blame you for that, but if you're objective is to find that one special set of triangles that attracts you physically, you'll almost always be disappointed. Besides, this is about what the Inquisitor wants, because that's the point to add depth to their character not to please you sexually. 

[abearzi]

I think Cassandra is really, really sexy. Largely because she's not a simple damsel-in-distress, and she has real personality. Also, she's ****** hot.

 

I think DAI is actually spoiled for excellent romance options. I am a hetero male, and I really like the Josephine option, as many people don't just want to **** someone they're interested in, which Josephine gives an option for. I personally went with Sera because she seems to enjoy life and has one of the more noble goals of the companions. She is interested in helping people who lack the capacity to help themselves, and while the "pranks" she does are kind of idiotic, she wants to end the conflict because its just regular people dying because they're caught in the middle.

 

Dorian was also fun to just flirt with endlessly, even after my femquisitor learned he wasn't interested in my particular bits. I like that you can just flirt with some of the companions, and both parties don't expect anything more from it, since flirting can be fun on its own. Cullen's romance is much like Garrus; its so sweet I think I got diabetes. Its awkward and realistic, touching and lovely.

 

My only real complaint about the romances is that Bioware included two sexy, charming dwaves and I can't romance either of them! WHAT THE ****?! It was bad enough Varric friendzoned poor Hawke and the Inquisitor, but now I've got Scout Harding being all sweet and flirty every time I go some place new to butcher the wildlife, but Bioware has trolled my dwarfy-desires once again. Those bastards.

 

I feel people complaining about the romance "problems" are just sexually-insecure hetero males who are uncomfortable playing as a female (and gaining access to those excellent romance options), are unwilling to explore the excellent gay romance options, or are just mad they don't get a ditsy, barbie-doll damsel with an explicit sex scene for their romance option.

[Bowhunter4L]

Im currently playing two characters now, one with Cassandra and the other with Josphine and I'm liking both, but to me the romances seem a bit shorter than the previous games and I wondered why they showed nudity for Cass but not for Josphine, not a big deal but I'm curious why?