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Edit: I strongly recommend everyone to do at least one female Dalish playthrough and romance Solas in order to get that content. It's very important to the plot - namely the cliffhanger ending.
Yeah I'm planning on it actually, after I finish up with my male Trevelyan, I've heard only good things about it.
As much as I like Cass, I'm fine with people disliking her. Same with Josephine. I'd rather those people have other options though, than being frustrated, or simply picking them because they feel obligated to or they're going through the motions. Because I think the characters should be appreciated sincerely.
I guess the bitching about DA:II prevented them from having too many bi characters.
I've been playing video games since the very early 1980's and am quite accustomed to being forced into a male's role. Or, as the years went on, they introduced female heroes to us in the form of Lara Croft and other scantily clad/large breasted ladies. I didn't think anything of it and grew accustomed to that too. And when they finally offered more modest females to roleplay, there were sometimes options for romance. Typically the female heroes had far less options, if they even had an option, than the male protagonist. Also, playing as a female protagonist, you'd become accustomed to NPC's accidentally calling your hero "he" or "him" because the default ("true") hero of the story was almost always intended to be the male counterpart. You grew accustomed to this over the years because the industry didn't consider women, much less gays, trans, or ethnic minorities. It took up until the last 6? 7? years for that to happen and it happened slowly. For a AAA game company to not only take female players' interests strongly into consideration, meanwhile ignoring the fairness of gender numbers and simply writing the characters they wanted to write, but also to employ so many female developers - well that was something to behold. It's a new era now. And plenty of men and women are raising their daughters to play video games with zero apprehensions about it being "for boys only."
Bioware has pretty much ruined me as far as other RPGs are concerned. They are the only example in the genre where I can play a kickass female hero and recognized in game for doing so, where it's an aspect of who my character is.
It's one of the reasons I just couldn't keep playing Dragon's Dogma. The navigation system bugged the hell out of me, but just as much as that I got sick to death of NPC's reacting to me as though I appeared male.
Bioware is so dominant in my gaming experience, in fact, that I bought the Xbox One for this game. I probably wouldn't have bought it for years if not for them. I'm intensely grateful to the company, to the writers and the devs. I think we, as a community, owe them so much more than all the backlash they get over every little thing.
You misunderstand, i don't dislike Cassandra or Scribles. my issue is that Straight Men have 2 options, Gay men have 2 options, gay women have 2 options but Straight women have 4. Its unbalanced. Back in DAO Men had 2 and Women had 2.
If your complaint isn't that you have an issue with the side stories for straight male inquisitors, but that straight female inquisitors have a higher number of side stories written for them, then it comes across as somewhat petty.
Not to mention that straight female Inquisitors only get those extra options if they're the correct race. My lady dwarf had two male options as well. It's only straight female elves that get a choice of four guys, while straight female humans get three.
(Obviously bisexual PCs are always going to have more choices in general.)
You're also assuming all straight males are sexually repressed and only want the same type of barbie-doll. There are many who are happy and indeed prefer to have interesting variation. And are not uncomfortable romancing male NPCs or playing as female. So no, the bigoted, narrow minded type of straight male players who are only comfortable playing a butch dudes and getting damsel-in-distress type LIs iare not in the majority.
No, he's not the one making that assumption, although a lot of people are.
He was pointing out that listening to all the, "Straight men are all entitled whiners," line gets pretty tiresome, and makes any kind of discussion nearly impossible. The increased number of complaints over this issue from straight males is a demographic issue. The complaints about people not getting the "romances that they want" is coming from pretty much everywhere, and to me is where the real issue lies.
People need to see these characters as characters, and not potential love interests. The writers are including them as part of an RPG story, not a romance fantasy. There's plenty of overreaction, regardless of gender or sexuality.
Then i suppose FemSheps were petty for complaing that they didn't get as many options.
And before anyone else brings up that "Race Gate" agument again i want to point out that typically in any RPG where you can choose a race(DAO, Elder Scrolls, WoW etc.) Humans and Elves are the most picked race. (Having said that thou that does seem to be changing with the number of players saying that played a Quinari.)
I'm not one of those "Cass and Josie r fugly give us hotties!" people, i'm upset that it isn't equal all across the board. Gay men have to make due with Dorian or Iron Bull. Lesbian pc's only have Josie or Sera.
Straight (Human and Elven) Players get 4.How is that fair to Straight & Gay Males & Gay Females?
You guys were given two completely normal, attractive, and interesting human women. One of which is a dragon-hunting warrior princess, built like a voluptuous athlete with a runway model's cheekbones. The other is an exotic noblewoman who is as delicate and graceful as a ballerina twirling in a music box. And the sheer amount of moaning and complaining over the "ugliness" of these two ladies is hilariously self-entitled compared to how willingly female players will accept/romance a green-skinned man with a fish face.
Congrats on them for liking aliens
That doesn't invalidate people thinking that Cassandra and Josephine are unattractive
Not a fan of the approach they went with in regards romances in inquisition.
The overall impression was too little butter spread too thinly on toast feeling.
Don't agree with giving one groups double the potential options either.
If you want to play as traditionalist straight male elf, dwarf or qunari you have zero romance options and that sucks.
Don't agree with giving one groups double the potential options either.
To be fair, there were twice as many male companions as there were female companions. If the party had been more balanced gender-wise, there'd probably be more female romance options.
To be fair, there were twice as many male companions as there were female companions. If the party had been more balanced gender-wise, there'd probably be more female romance options.
that doesn't really matter since non-companions are equally valid romance options
If you want to play as traditionalist straight male elf, dwarf or qunari you have zero romance options and that sucks.
Same with all DA games and female's and different sexualities as well. Traditionalist dwarves don't have any dwarf LI's no matter sexuality and gender. There is only one male elf LI in DAO so again no elf LI for straight male elf and lesbian elf.
There can be endless arguments like that one. I don't have option who is mage, I don't have option who is pro-Circle, I don't have option who is dalish etc.
Am I the only one who feels really awkward when this is brought up? You see, I never know how to count my options. I am a straight female. But I have no interest in IB or playing a female elf. But it turns out I'm actually enjoying Josie's romance. I'd like to romance Cass but unsure I can get the CC to cooperate. So just how many options do I have?
that doesn't really matter since non-companions are equally valid romance options
Well the romances are either companions or advisors and two of advisors are already romances. If there was more equal gender ration in companions there would be more female characters that would be free to romance.
Straight male characters have had good and diverse romance options for years, guys. While all straight female have ever had was the stereotype pretty boys with emotional issue. So this one time, when straight male options are not as appealing (to some I guess, I found both Cass and Josie to be damn awesome and lovely) as female's, could we just take it without complaining? Let's ladies have the spot light for once, for the love of the Maker lol
Straight male characters have had good and diverse romance options for years, guys. While all straight female have ever had was the stereotype pretty boys with emotional issue. So this one time, when straight male options are not as appealing (to some I guess, I found both Cass and Josie to be damn awesome and lovely) as female's, could we just take it without complaining? Let's ladies have the spot light for once, for the love of the Maker lol
yeah like Zevran? Or Alistair? Not really emotional issues there. Sure they may classify as pretty boys, but that's largely up for personal taste.
And no, we ahve a right to voice our displeasure
Then i suppose FemSheps were petty for complaing that they didn't get as many options.
And before anyone else brings up that "Race Gate" agument again i want to point out that typically in any RPG where you can choose a race(DAO, Elder Scrolls, WoW etc.) Humans and Elves are the most picked race. (Having said that thou that does seem to be changing with the number of players saying that played a Quinari.)
I'm not one of those "Cass and Josie r fugly give us hotties!" people, i'm upset that it isn't equal all across the board. Gay men have to make due with Dorian or Iron Bull. Lesbian pc's only have Josie or Sera.
Straight (Human and Elven) Players get 4.How is that fair to Straight & Gay Males & Gay Females?
It's not fair.
It wasn't designed with fair in mind. They thought, instead, about what they could do with the amount of extra time they had. Making your argument about what's fair isn't going to get you anywhere.
...Even while I think Cass and Josie are fantastic, I understand why someone might not find them to their liking as the only two choices. I understand the "they're both pro-chantry, both straight-laced" argument. I understand wanting more variation...and even more sensuality.
The only way for these complaints (spoken by straight male gamers) to be taken seriously by the other demographics, however, is to use them judiciously and cautiously.
Making it an issue of, "but they have more than I do!" is just going to result in, "Well, welcome to our world, Chief!".
Woman also get more variety. Blackwall, Iron Bull, Solas and Cullen all have contrasting, different looks and personalities.
Cass and Josie are just your typical Betty and Veronica trope (Look it up on TV Tropes if you don't get what I mean.)
Woman also get more variety. Blackwall, Iron Bull, Solas and Cullen all have contrasting, different looks and personalities.
Cass and Josie are just your typical Betty and Veronica trope (Look it up on TV Tropes if you don't get what I mean.)
I seriously just referenced Betty and Veronica like four pages ago...
I...no need.
Yeah, they get more.
Focus on that as your core point, though, and all you're going to get is more people having trouble taking it seriously.
To be honest I'm getting tired of this. i'm not going to change anyones mind so I'm just going to give up.
If Straight women get the shaft in a future game again I'm sure everyone will be pissed and we'll be expected to rally behind them.
By the way your argument just boils down to "Women always get the shaft, welcome to our world".
Just because Women didn't get what they want before doesn't justify leaving guys out this time. it should be equal for everyone.
I actually feel more sorry for Lesbian pc's since there only other option other than Jossie is Sera who I hate but I know she has her fans so I didn't bring it up until now.
By the way your argument just boils down to "Women always get the shaft, welcome to our world".
Just because Women didn't get what they want before doesn't justify leaving guys out this time. it should be equal for everyone.
I actually feel more sorry for Lesbian pc's since there only other option other than Jossie is Sera who I hate but I know she has her fans so I didn't bring it up until now.
I don't think it does, and I've spent time on these threads (several of the many, many, many examples of these threads) trying to defend people's right to complain...as long as they do it reasonably.
I am sympathetic to those who want more options and more variety, and I've made my stance on that clear, so that isn't my argument at all.
Call it advice more than an argument, from someone who is sympathetic to your frustration. I've seen people get flamed to hell and back for making the exact argument you're making and focusing on the fact that someone else might be able to have more than you. I simply suggest rethinking that angle.
I apologize I didn't mean to imply that people were unsympathetic.
I thank you for the advice
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