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[PETD]

Talking about having a faith, doesn't automatically make one a zealot.

A person who is religious and talks about his/her faith, is known to be pious, not a zealot.

The person could also known to have zeal.

 

In fact, there are many types of zealots and they need not be religious.

As long as they have a cause and are fanatical about it, they are known as Zealots. 

Games often painted the word zealot in more of a religious light.

From what I know, Zealots tend to take things quite seriously without reasoning and cares nothing for people.

 

Pious means "having or showing or expressing reverence for a deity"

Zeal means "a feeling of strong eagerness", "prompt willingness" and "excessive fervor to do something or accomplish some end".

Zealot means "a fervent and even militant proponent of something"

[oh.Snake]

So let me just start out by saying I love Dragon Age, so this is not a rant. Also my first post on here in years!

I am however a little disappointed by the heterosexual female romance options...in that'll there's only two. There seems to be more options for the same sex or 'swings both ways' camps.

 

I'm also pretty disappointed in the heterosexual romance options for male Inquisitors.. once again.

 

In Dragon Age Origins we had Morrigan and Leliana, I loved both of them Both of them had just some very interesting characters and it was just fun talking and flirting with them. Then there was Dragon Age 2. We got Isabella, that woman who sleeps with everyone who crosses her path and Merrill.. the most naive bloodmage on Thedas. I actually romanced none of those two and I was happy then Mark of the Assassin came out. It brought at least one female character into this game who I'd liked as a romance option.. even if this whole romance starts and ends with a kiss

 

Now there is Dragon Age Inquisition.. and I am disappointed.

 

Cassandra is just.. well.. most of the time when I talk to her I'm scared because she might eat me In fact: She is a violent person. She kidnapped Varric, forced him to sell out his friend, Hawke. She also greets you as a player with "Why shouldn't we kill you right now?" and.. I'm pretty sure she did something similar to another good guy in Dawn of the Seeker as well. I know.. she is not all like that but still.. it's a part of her, a part I really dislike.

 

Josephine is another matter. In my opinionshe is just not interesting at all. I don't care about nobility which seems to be her biggest passion and it I have to mention a lack of humor.

 

You know what's really weird for me? That there are three female persons I consider as interesting. Why? Because they are smart, they are funny and most important: They act like normal persons. It's weird for me because both of them are dwarfes. One of them is scout Harding. I've played a dwarf and "romanced" her. I think her romance is bugged because.. uhm.. it looks like it's bugged. The other one has a name starting with B. I never even thought I would consider dwarfes as romance options, but those two have so much more of interesting personalities than these two options we really have in this game.

 

By the way, there are less romance options for heterosexual male inquisitors than for females!

 

Male:

- Cassandra

- Josephine

 

Female:

- Cullen

- Blackwall

- Iron Bull

 

.. and every one of those options for heterosexual female inquisitors is more interesting than the ones for males. Cullen is more or less like Alistair from DAO in some ways. Blackwall also has an interesting character. I always loved having him in my groups just because he is a great guy The Iron Bull also is great, and funny.

 

I have to admit that I envy players who play female characters in this game (again.. I did the same thing also in DA2). They have more options and they have in my opinion also better options as well.

 

People loved Leliana and Morrigan in DAO. You also know from other Bioware games like Mass Effect that People loved characters like Liara, Tali, Ashley and Miranda. So I really don't get it how you could give us the opposide of all those characters in this game. I mean.. you gave us a small version of Liara, in some way.. But it seems like her romance is bugged or was cut out.

 

If it was cut out, why? Because you were worried this whole thing could look like pedophilia? Then why is there a naked female dwarfen Inquisitor possible when you romance Iron Bull? And why didn't you just come up with something else? You could have just given us some cutscenes like the ones with Josephine. A sex scene wasn't even necessary but it would have been nice to get at least something if you flirt with her all the time, even if you just get friendzoned at the end. Everything is better as this "we talk about this when we are done with saving the world" she more or less said at the end.. and which resulted in her getting something like amnesia as soon as you are done saving the world.

 

Romance options aren't the most important thing of this game, yeah, but still.. this is now the second Dragon Age game where it looks like all the interesting characters are exclusive for female, bisexual or homosexual characters. Play as a heterosexual male character and you get the less interesting characters.

 

(Once again sorry for my bad english ^^)

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

 

Ooo, ouch. Prickly. 

[JAZZ_LEG3ND]

Bioware write romances for some of their characters, they do not write some characters for romance.

 

As my girl Cass would say: Deal. With. It.

[holdenagincourt]

Vivienne should suddenly forget the decades long relationship she had to see end tragically for the Inquisitor? M'kay.

 

I don't think Vivienne should be romanceable, but I also don't think this is a good rationale for why not.

 

Cough Steve Cortez.

[oh.Snake]

Bioware write romances for some of their characters, they do not write some characters for romance.

 

As my girl Cass would say: Deal. With. It.

Just because someone gives you negative feedback doesn't mean he hasn't "dealt with it" already. It wasn't even a big deal for me, just a bit disappointing. When I'm playing as a dwarf I'm just not going to romance humans. This would be weird as hell if I did. This said: Dwarfs are once again getting no one and I think it's a legitimate opinion to say that this was disappointing for me.

 

Disliking our disney princess Josephine or Xena Pentaghast is also legitimate..

 

Oh.. and I have to say something about stupid pictures someone else posted before you got here: Romance choices are not about that one sex scene at the end of it. I would be okay with it if there wouldn't be any sex scenes at all in this game. But yeah, just make fun of that weird guy who played as a dwarfen inquisitor and who got disappointed because that one dwarf that looked like a potential LI was nothing more than unfinished, bugged or just removed from the game because of "reasons".

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

[TheJediSaint]

For a thread that doesn't have a leg to stand on, it sure keeps on moving.

[JAZZ_LEG3ND]

Just because someone gives you negative feedback doesn't mean he hasn't "dealt with it" already. It wasn't even a big deal for me, just a bit disappointing. When I'm playing as a dwarf I'm just not going to romance humans. This would be weird as hell if I did. This said: Dwarfs are once again getting no one and I think it's a legitimate opinion to say that this was disappointing for me.

Disliking our disney princess Josephine or Xena Pentaghast is also legitimate..

Oh.. and I have to say something about stupid pictures someone else posted before you got here: Romance choices are not about that one sex scene at the end of it. I would be okay with it if there wouldn't be any sex scenes at all in this game. But yeah, just make fun of that weird guy who played as a dwarfen inquisitor and who got disappointed because that one dwarf that looked like a potential LI was nothing more than unfinished, bugged or just removed from the game because of "reasons".

Ah, yeah, I don't mean anything by it.
Harding totally should have been a legit romance.

Bit ironic though; Josephine and Cassandra, the two options open to straight male Inquisitors, are probably the most contrasting LI's I've seen in the one game. Josie is a delicate Disney princess, Cassandra is a hard as nails warrior, Josie is diplomatic and cute, but Cassandra is volatile and soft underneath. But still people complain… “Give me a girl from Playboy!” Spoilers: frat boys aren’t the demographic anymore.

Morrigan was a looker, and she was smart, but never really saw her as an LI. Thought she was more like a best friend, the one who's awkward at parties and repurposes stray cats. Leliana I liked a lot, as a character I found her very attractive, nice mix of sweet and lethal. Were these good LIs? Absolutely... but why go where we've gone?

Cassandra has been my favourite LI in the series, no contest. Yes I think she’s beautiful, she’s strong, determined etc. many things I value in people and look for in a partner, but in particular it’s her awareness of her flaws that made me fall in love with her. Spoilers for her romance:

Spoiler

When you start reading her poetry, her body language is just perfect, she’s literally lost for words. She cannot believe that someone has actually done that for her. I’ve never seen a moment like that, ever. Kudos to David Gaider, I felt the feelz.

Call her what you like, but if that woman was real, I’d find her and give her a hug.

[Pasquale1234]

"I should really stop offering virgins. Everyone always chooses them, and I can never find any." -Imshael the 'choice spirit'

Bummer. They missed a great opportunity to hand over Emile de Launcet.

[MrMrPendragon]

I am absolutely stunned at how gorgeous Leliana and Morrigan look like in this game. So there's the "Good Female" part.

Hell, they're not just good, they're awesome.

 

 

Simple solution # 1: Play as a gay guy, or as a female bi.

 

Which I don't really do because I can't roleplay properly if I can't see myself in my character. I'm not gay, and I'm certainly not a woman so...

 

Simple solution # 2: Deal with it.

 

What other choice do you have though lol

[cae37]

I agree that having Harding as an option would have been nice, but thinking about Cassandra's badass, passionate, and hopeless romantic personality makes me not care as much about it.

[Ser Pounce A Lot_]

I remember when femshep players complained about the lack of viable romance options in ME3. Imagine if people said to those player "deal with it" or "get over it" 

 

Us "straight males" can voice our displeasure with the romance options if we want to, and IMO they are lacking.

 

There's no Liara, Tali, Morrigan, and/or Isabella-esque romance option in this game, which is something Bioware failed at.

 

I don't know about anyone else, but romances are a big part of Bioware (one of my favorite developers) games for me, and this game was a bit of a disappointment in that regard.

 

Hopefully it doesn't continue in ME4 or DA4 (if there is one) 

[MrMrPendragon]

I remember when femshep players complained about the lack of viable romance options in ME3. Imagine if people said to those player "deal with it" or "get over it" 

 

Us "straight males" can voice our displeasure with the romance options if we want to, and IMO they are lacking.

 

There's no Liara, Tali, Morrigan, and/or Isabella-esque romance option in this game, which is something Bioware failed at.

 

I don't care know about anyone else, but romances are a big part of Bioware (one of my favorite developers) games for me, and this game was a bit of a disappointment in that regard.

 

Hopefully it doesn't continue in ME4 or DA4 (if there is one) 

 

I feel like whenever someone starts this thread, people will always hate and  on the person, as if he's or she's not allowed to have his/her own taste, or his/her own opinion on the matter. "Oh well don't be shallow" or "Well maybe get to know them first" Come on seriously? One can't pretend that these people are attractive just because a bunch of internet people said they are. It's not like OP is blowing smoke up everyone's *sses, he/she made his/her point clear - there was no one that had an obvious sex appeal like Morrigan or Isabela, nor was there any one of those "innocent and cute" type like Merril and Leliana. It's a tyranny of the majority I tell you. Can't have an opinion that deviates from the forum population or else they'll make you look like an *ss for having it.

 

I think the Josephine romance is fine, except for a few bits that were too cheesy for my lactose intoleranct taste(depends on the cheese I guess), but that's not going to stop me from saying that it could have been better. I mean isn't that what 90% of the stuff here is - blabbering about stuff that could've been better? - or at least better in our perspective, not necessarily better for the game overall.

[Camenae]

I feel like whenever someone starts this thread, people will always hate and  on the person, as if he's or she's not allowed to have his/her own taste, or his/her own opinion on the matter. "Oh well don't be shallow" or "Well maybe get to know them first" Come on seriously? One can't pretend that these people are attractive just because a bunch of internet people said they are. It's not like OP is blowing smoke up everyone's *sses, he/she made his/her point clear - there was no one that had an obvious sex appeal like Morrigan or Isabela, nor was there any one of those "innocent and cute" type like Merril and Leliana. It's a tyranny of the majority I tell you. Can't have an opinion that deviates from the forum population or else they'll make you look like an *ss for having it.

 

I think the Josephine romance is fine, except for a few bits that were too cheesy for my lactose intoleranct taste(depends on the cheese I guess), but that's not going to stop me from saying that it could have been better. I mean isn't that what 90% of the stuff here is - blabbering about stuff that could've been better? - or at least better in our perspective, not necessarily better for the game overall.

 

I certainly don't discount his opinion because people all have different tastes in romantic partners.  I actually agree with his opinion and find that if I rolled a male Inquisitor, I wouldn't really feel like romancing Cassandra or Josephine.  However, other people find them to be amazing.  It's just a matter of taste--I love watching baseball and I realize other people think baseball is the most boring sport on earth.  We don't have arguments over it though.  

 

It's just that I, for one, don't know that such discussions are super productive, because it's purely a matter of taste and obviously not possible for Bioware to account for every single personal taste.  It's unfortunate that OP didn't find anyone to his taste this time around, but he did in DAO and DA2.  So, two out of three ain't bad right, as the song goes?  Better luck next time?

[Kevorka]

Your right we only have 2, and Sera is a lesbian, Dorian is gay. You can flirt with Harding but that is it.

[Ynqve]

I feel like whenever someone starts this thread, people will always hate and  on the person, as if he's or she's not allowed to have his/her own taste, or his/her own opinion on the matter. "Oh well don't be shallow" or "Well maybe get to know them first" Come on seriously? One can't pretend that these people are attractive just because a bunch of internet people said they are. It's not like OP is blowing smoke up everyone's *sses, he/she made his/her point clear - there was no one that had an obvious sex appeal like Morrigan or Isabela, nor was there any one of those "innocent and cute" type like Merril and Leliana. It's a tyranny of the majority I tell you. Can't have an opinion that deviates from the forum population or else they'll make you look like an *ss for having it.

 

I think the Josephine romance is fine, except for a few bits that were too cheesy for my lactose intoleranct taste(depends on the cheese I guess), but that's not going to stop me from saying that it could have been better. I mean isn't that what 90% of the stuff here is - blabbering about stuff that could've been better? - or at least better in our perspective, not necessarily better for the game overall.

 

People attack these threads because all too often the people complaining aren't giving anything resembling constructive criticism. I have no problem with people who say that they didn't like their options as long as they recognize that it's just their opinions and that Bioware doesn't owe them the perfect waifu for their Inquisitor. Tastes differ and sometimes you'll get options that you may not find ideal.

 

What I don't like is when their "criticism" is just basically "EVERYONE MUST SHARE MY OPINION ON WHAT'S SEXY AND FEMININE. WHERE'S MY SEXY WOMAN, BIOWARE?" or when they go full on "WAAH WAAAH WAAAH IT'S UNFAAAAAIR" mode. 

 

I'm sorry that some of you didn't like your options. I'm sorry that female human and elf Inquisitors got extra options. But don't act as if you didn't have any options just because you didn't like them. Why don't you take this opportunity to try another kind of protagonist out? Who knows, maybe you'll even like it! 

[Shadow Fox]

Talking about having a faith, doesn't automatically make one a zealot.

A person who is religious and talks about his/her faith, is known to be pious, not a zealot.

The person could also known to have zeal.

 

In fact, there are many types of zealots and they need not be religious.

As long as they have a cause and are fanatical about it, they are known as Zealots. 

Games often painted the word zealot in more of a religious light.

From what I know, Zealots tend to take things quite seriously without reasoning and cares nothing for people.

 

Pious means "having or showing or expressing reverence for a deity"

Zeal means "a feeling of strong eagerness", "prompt willingness" and "excessive fervor to do something or accomplish some end".

Zealot means "a fervent and even militant proponent of something"

Yup.

 

Sadly some people hate religion to the point they can't tolerate others just following and talking about it.

[Happymeal25]

Why don't you take this opportunity to try another kind of protagonist out? Who knows, maybe you'll even like it! 

 

 

Lols, if I had a dime for everytime that's been said. Sorry to me that isn't a valid argument either, because i have tried and it's not for me. I am a player who enjoys thinking as if I am part of the game while immersed. Thus, sorry not female, and not gay not knocking others who are, but I am not and will never do it again because I don't like it. So yeah I am allowed to feel how I feel with the romances options given for the Male Straight Inquisitor. They are lacking and I frankly didn't like neither Josie or Cass, both are boring for different reasons and folks can complain all day about how I feel about Cass, but I saw her as a zealot, it's my opinion not theirs. To me and the in character relationship I tried with Cass, she was all about her divine job and nothing else, for me that's a turn off and frankly too much of a zealot. Yeah great folks don't feel the same, but I am not the one chastising folks for their difference in opinion. Different strokes for different folks. I'm allowed mine like everyone else. ^^.

[Ser Pounce A Lot_]

People attack these threads because all too often the people complaining aren't giving anything resembling constructive criticism. I have no problem with people who say that they didn't like their options as long as they recognize that it's just their opinions and that Bioware doesn't owe them the perfect waifu for their Inquisitor. Tastes differ and sometimes you'll get options that you may not find ideal.

 

What I don't like is when their "criticism" is just basically "EVERYONE MUST SHARE MY OPINION ON WHAT'S SEXY AND FEMININE. WHERE'S MY SEXY WOMAN, BIOWARE?" or when they go full on "WAAH WAAAH WAAAH IT'S UNFAAAAAIR" mode. 

 

I'm sorry that some of you didn't like your options. I'm sorry that female human and elf Inquisitors got extra options. But don't act as if you didn't have any options just because you didn't like them. Why don't you take this opportunity to try another kind of protagonist out? Who knows, maybe you'll even like it! 

 

I've read through just about the entire thread and no one is behaving like that. All people are saying is that the romance choices are lacking. No one is demanding anything.

 

Nice strawman, though

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Well, for my human female rogue inquisitor, based on her character profile I would see:

 

Hetero: Cullen or Blackwall - she's not into Qunari: they have horns.

Lesbian: Josephine. Sera has a personality that would drive her crazy. Cassandra on the other hand would be preferred over all of them, but she was shot down already because Cassandra doesn't go this way.

 

So for my character there are three. 

 

With an elf, dwarf, or qunari inquisitor? I don't know. As much as I see the them as part of the story, it's like Skyrim where I play as a Nord because the story is about the Nords, or Oblivion where I play as an Imperial because the story was about the Imperials. I played a dark elf in Morrowind. Origins accounted for different, well, origins. An inquisitor for the Chantry? Human.

 

Plus a female dwarf can't romance Varric.

[Ynqve]

Lols, if I had a dime for everytime that's been said. Sorry to me that isn't a valid argument either, because i have tried and it's not for me. I am a player who enjoys thinking as if I am part of the game while immersed. Thus, sorry not female, and not gay not knocking others who are, but I am not and will never do it again because I don't like it. So yeah I am allowed to feel how I feel with the romances options given for the Male Straight Inquisitor. They are lacking and I frankly didn't like neither Josie or Cass, both are boring for different reasons and folks can complain all day about how I feel about Cass, but I saw her as a zealot, it's my opinion not theirs. To me and the in character relationship I tried with Cass, she was all about her divine job and nothing else, for me that's a turn off and frankly too much of a zealot. Yeah great folks don't feel the same, but I am not the one chastising folks for their difference in opinion. Different strokes for different folks. I'm allowed mine like everyone else. ^^.

 

Yes, you are allowed to feel that way. You don't have to like your options, that's fine. You don't have to like playing as a female or gay protagonist, it's ok! As long as you realize that it's all based on your personal preferences there's no problem. All I'm asking is that people stay classy about it by not attacking other players or demanding that Bioware tailor their female characters to be perfect little waifus instead of real characters with a romance added to them. Is that really so unreasonable? 

[Ynqve]

I've read through just about the entire thread and no one is behaving like that. All people are saying is that the romance choices are lacking. No one is demanding anything.

 

Nice strawman, though

 

I have to admit that this thread has been surprisingly civilized and that's why it's lasted this long. But there have been a lot of other threads where things got out of hand.

[Happymeal25]

Yes, you are allowed to feel that way. You don't have to like your options, that's fine. You don't have to like playing as a female or gay protagonist, it's ok! As long as you realize that it's all based on your personal preferences there's no problem. All I'm asking is that people stay classy about it by not attacking other players or demanding that Bioware tailor their female characters to be perfect little waifus instead of real characters with a romance added to them. Is that really so unreasonable? 

 

 

 

Heh, I know it's not all about me, but seems to be about 50/50 on who likes and dislikes the options for straight male inquisitor, reasonings aside. As for the waifus thing, not once brought up and happen to know Leliana and Isabela both aren't good little Waifus characters either, in fact they both have a lot of heart and by far more of a persona in game wise to me than most of the other options. Again it's my opinion, and I know it's just my opinion here, but I doubt any of the characters that are female fit into this weird Waifus stereotype you speak of. Nor, did I ever mention needing that. I love more independent females anyways, Cass just feel short on other aspects for me. Sure she's all gungho independent, but yeah not much else there, her shell stays enclosed aside from one small part to me. Personally for me, I hope for another female in the games like Miranda/Isabela mix, then I'd never complain again, until then well I shall voice my opinion like others, but know oh wells, I shall put my little dream in a box and answer it myself elsewhere until the game day comes if it ever does XD. Lols, others love the characters fine so be it, enjoy em. Thats their right, just like mine is to be a small voice to merely put in my two cents .