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[Swoopdogg]

Josephine is an Antivan Goddess she is the definition of perfection how dare you

[Aisynia]

So let me just start out by saying I love Dragon Age, so this is not a rant. Also my first post on here in years!

I am however a little disappointed by the heterosexual female romance options...in that'll there's only two. There seems to be more options for the same sex or 'swings both ways' camps.

#Spoiler# (Which I only know from reading, not from experience in game yet)

The only options for a male heterosexual character which, let's face it (don't try to start and take the moral high ground here) is going to be the MAJORITY of DA gamers (it just is statistically) are, Cassandra or Josephine.

Now this thread might start to sound harsh,but I think it's fair.

Cassandra is a tough tom-boy esque, scarred faced zealot. Not most guys first choice in women. And Josephine; who's simply not involved in the game enough to be interesting (I.e. Not a proper party member to form a close relationship with).

When we compare them with the obvious 'sex appeal' of say Morrigan and Isabella, or the cutesy Leliana and Merrill, the options are slim pickings to say the least. Again, harsh but fair for the majority.

Such a ridiculous thing to fret about in a game, but in truth the companion and romance options in Mass Effect and Dragon Age games have been one of the most interesting 'side quests' to explore.

Add a third (straight or bi, non elf-loving) lady Bioware!

 

It's not just you. To be honest, the pickings are slim in this game unless you are a hetero female. I'm a lesbian and my only options are an overgrown sociopathic five year old and a sweet girl with an underdeveloped romance. I've actually ended up doing the hetero romances because they are more interesting and better written.

 

Straight Male:

Cassandra

Josephine

 

Gay Male:

Dorian

Iron Bull

 

Gay Female:

Sera

Josephine

 

Straight Female:

Blackwall

Solas

Cullen

Iron Bull

 

^Deck is clearly stacked. This, along with other observations I've made make me think that Dragon Age has a larger than average female player base, and since 90% of females are straight.. BioWare is just showing that they know their customers.

 

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[TheJediSaint]

From my point of view, there are three romances that appeal to me.  There's Josephine and Cassandra for my male PCs, of course.  But there's also Sera for my female ones, because I'm one of those shallow straight men who likes girl-on-girl.

[Wee Joe Green]

Sorry, Steelcan, you're not 'being silenced'......I think you misunderstand the meaning of the phrase.
 
Being silenced would mean these threads that CONTINUALLY pop up, saying the same thing, would be deleted. Or the posts complaining about Cass and Josie would get deleted. Some get locked because they veer way off topic or get vitrolic.
 
Many just wish you guys would be honest and say:
"I want the naive hottie that I need to ride in on a white horse and rescue to romance, instead of having to choose from two realistic looking capable women."
 
Then of course you'd get slayed for being shallow.....but at least you guys would be being honest.
 
And just because people are pointing out their own opinion, or how they think you are wrong, that is not being silenced.

That is not at all what Morrigan or Isabella represented...

[Br3admax]

Romancing Sera should get you jail time. She doesn't have the mental capacity to give consent. 

[Br3admax]

I'm going to make sure my 4 sisters, 5 nieces (one is still too young but eventually her as well), 10 of my female co-workers, and of course myself pre-order ME:Next and roll female characters. My mom may play it as well...she is a huge Garrus lover. Hopefully, other women have the same idea so this 18 percent can go up (if only by a few)  and I can stop seeing it pop up when discussing women and rpgs.

 

Actually, I need to get them to buy DA:I for themselves this Christmas.

You won't even make a dent, tbh. Don't fight the pointless battle. 

[TheJediSaint]

Romancing Sera should get you jail time. She doesn't have the mental capacity to give consent. 

Girls who can't form complete sentences deserve loving too.

[herkles]

so suggestion for da4 each orination: straight female, straight male, and gays and lesbians; they each get 4 characters to pick from. do you think that might solve this issue?

[EmissaryofLies]

I vaguely recall Gaider saying something about this game not having the typical romance appeal that we may have become accustomed to.

[Br3admax]

Why not? It's my money. Should I not want to be represented or considered in future rpgs as a valued member of the gaming community?

I always get the feeling when 18% gets thrown around I am being told I don't count because I am a minority.And I will never consider it pointless.

There is no need to be upset.

[Steelcan]

so suggestion for da4 each orination: straight female, straight male, and gays and lesbians; they each get 4 characters to pick from. do you think that might solve this issue?

people will inevitably complain about their option.

Straight men drew the short end of stick this time in options, not for number,but appeal. Many are fine with them,provably most, but you can't make everyone like the same characters

Adding in even more options doesn't seem feasible to give them all meaningful content

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

There was an experiment done which had teachers rigidly adhere to a policy of giving students 50/50 attention between the boys and the girls.  The boys reported back that they felt that the girls were getting 90% of the attention.

 

- Can you provide a link to this study?

 

- Can you provide a link to the peer-review of this study?

 

- Why did the study reach only one extreme conclusion, and provide no other information?

 

- What was the methodology used, and how were the results measured?

 

- In what country/state/province/region was this study conducted?

 

- What was the age and grade level of the student population being studied?

 

- What education system was the subject of the study? Was it private or public? What was the relative economic level of the participants?

 

- Who conducted this study?

 

- Who commissioned this study?

 

- Who paid for the study to be carried out?

 

It seems like it is both inflammatory and irrelevant to the subject. And, barring a source, it seems very dubious. I can't help but feel that there are any number of on-point reasons why BioWare does not have to provide romance story-lines that satisfy the individual romantic desires of their customers, but a perceived bias in an unrelated field of education doesn't strike me as one of them.

[Ascendra]

Lol

Having feelings for one person alone was kind of the problem I had with it. I didn't expect Morrigan to change, but I'm not going to pretend she was an amazing character beyond being interesting. At least not as great as the people who like her, besides a few, make her out to be. Definitely overrated.

Okay i understand your point.

I guess i consider warming up to one person a character development for someone with Morrigan's background. I like her nonetheless.
We'll have to agree to disagre

[Netzachs]

Spoilers.
The biggest disappointment of the straight male romance options to me was the lack of development in Josephine. I either had to be a straight laced goody two shoes and romance a scarred up tomboy (ok, Cassandra is cool... but she isn't my general cup of tea) or romance a complete stranger who would never be anything more than that (My wife says Cullen is no better so this may be a problem for straight females too, but given I, like Krem, don't feel comfortable playing the role of a gender I'm not and will continue to act out the one I am- Respect Krem!- I'm not going to try out those routes). With how in-depth the previous game romances were, it was a shame to see that these felt more like a low tier side quest than an integral game changing aspect of the story. For all the party banter I've heard between my party, how come I've only heard one line that referenced the relationship? I literally couldn't get the others to shut up in DA:O about my Morrigan choice.

I have very much enjoyed the side quests a lot with this game for character development. I liked the reaction each character had to my choices in the main story. I like the philosophical questions each character's story seems to ask as it is told. I even enjoyed the banter the characters generally have between them *Iron Bull + Vivienne Chats = hilarious, props to that writer!*.. so why does my romance "go fetch 3 things and watch awkward scene." So I know you have a team of great and very capable writers.

That's why I'm not saying the game isn't great without the Romance, I'm just saying it is much duller and seems to have a lot less of an impact in the actual story than I expected given previous BW games [There is no romance option that makes sense for my heartless qunari! Morrigan where art thou!]. Now this isn't a bad thing. Where the over romance of Origins created a no Romance in Awakening that was easily digested, this could easily create the reverse in an expansion.

Please put those great writers and wonderful voice actors (seriously, good job guys) to use and give us more depth to the romance!

Or at least make a female qunari to romance in the expansion.. *whistles innocently* what can I say, I like dem girls horny.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

so suggestion for da4 each orination: straight female, straight male, and gays and lesbians; they each get 4 characters to pick from. do you think that might solve this issue?

Four is a lot for each combination. If you don't got the "player sexual" route, you could be talking anywhere from ten to sixteen characters. That's crazy.

 

If eight is a doable number for them, best case scenario would be one straight male and female, one gay male and female, and two bisexual males and two bisexual females. Frankly, when some of the options were still in the dark, that was what I was hoping for. (As in, Cassandra and Cullen as straight. Dorian and Sera as gay. Josephine, Bull, Blackwall, and Vivienne as bisexual).

 

However, the problem with setting up quotas like that is that people will accuse you of "pandering" (although it's never pandering when it's done toward straight men, duh) rather than writing genuine characters that exist on their own merits. Really, no matter what approach they take, they're going to get people criticizing them for it. It's inevitable because you literally can't please everyone, especially when it comes to something as subjective as attraction. They're better off just writing what they want to write while trying to be as inclusive as possible. Some people are going to get left out in the cold, but that's just how it goes.

 

I'm a little disappointed that I really only have a single love interest for a self insert character since Bull doesn't appeal to me at all, but I don't hold it against them for not answering my every hope and whim. Perhaps other people ought to take that into perspective as well.

[AlexMBrennan]

There seems to be more options for the same sex or 'swings both ways' camps.

I never quite got that - you're a man, she's a woman (or whatever) so why do you care that she would also have been interested if you had rolled a female character?

[ruggly]

These threads..

 

[TheJediSaint]

We're going to need a bigger rock.

[Ascendra]

I've only watched the straight female scenes, so I can't comment on Cass, Sera, etc. But it seems like Cullen gets the most, especially since some of his are quest-related.

I'm one of those saps who has been a Cullen fan since DA:O so call me biased. His romance arc seems to have gotten the most development, which is surprising (and welcome) considering it wasn't part of the original plan!

I think companions have 3? romance-related, and then fourth in the end. I need to count them all to check.

I actually wanted to do an experiment to see what the men were complaining about and asked my bf what he felt of the ladies. He said Cass was ugly i nearly punched him in the gut. So much for "personality matters".

[CuriousArtemis]

^Deck is clearly stacked. This, along with other observations I've made make me think that Dragon Age has a larger than average female player base, and since 90% of females are straight.. BioWare is just showing that they know their customers.

 

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Well originally the romances were evenly split as 2/2/2. 

 

Then they got the extra year of development time, so they decided to add two extra romances. The remaining characters were Varric, Vivienne, Solas, and Cullen. 

 

Varric had Bianca.

 

Vivienne they obviously fell cannot/should not be  a romance option (I am baffled at this one).

 

And that left Solas and Cullen. It wasn't about catering to women; it was about what was left. 

 

And because they're afraid of making more gay or bi romances, they made them both straight.

 

It is what it is.

[Oswin]

They are an odd bunch of romance choices. But Solas and Dorian won me over and flat out beat any of the romances from previous games for me. Done and Done.

 

As for the rest, I still don't think most of them are lacking. I think Cass is amazing and she won me over in my first playthrough. I'd happily go for her. IB and Sera aren't to my own personal tastes, but I don't tend to play self-inserts so that doesn't bother me. Could be fun. Jose and Cullen are both so, fluffy. I love them and will try their romances, but I fear they may make my teeth hurt. And Blackwall I just hate, probably as much as most people hate Sera. No thank you.

 

Seven out of eight isn't bad. I must be doing it wrong.