We see it in her character. We don't see it in her appearance which is always stern and that is something I can see being off putting.
So would it make any difference if she was the same except had a bit softer features? Same character, same hair, clothes, behavior.
The hair, voice (especially) and behaviour (from what I've seen so far) put me off to be honest...
Not everyone likes their choices. I feel it is frustrating people seem to spout that they have bad options when they are personal disfavorites. Lesbians, gay men, and straight men have the same options. Saying that even aesthetics have to meet a standard is very difficult since many people have different views and feelings on what is proper.
There are 4 exclusive for straight characters.
There are 2 exclusive for non straight characters
Iron Bull is Bi and has flirt options, but Cullen is straight and a man can flirt with him, as can a man flirt with Sera before both are turned down. So by having everyone being able to be flirted with, only a character that wants to pursue a relationship will know if they are gay or straight, or possibly Bi. And 2 can't be the issue since, other than ME 2&3 every game with romance has had basically 2 romance options.
Disliking the options are fine, but trying to say they are inadequate for your sexuality due to not being a personal preference, is frustrating.
I wonder if the character's success appearance-wise depends a bit on how they are established in game and perceived by others. For example in DAO both Wynne and Leli comment on how pretty Morrigan is. She has this seductive aura. At the same time her face is actually not that well done - eyes too small. Or maybe its the cleavage that sold. Same thing with Leli. Yet people still find then gorgeous despite worse quality of their models. Then there is Miranda in ME which is considered a perfect woman. She has great body but her face is strange, and people love her. Appearance-wise Ash's face in ME1 is actually prettier, but people prefer Miranda over Ash. Is it because she is established by the game to be desirable?
In Inquisition the only person that gets a horde of admirers is Cullen, but funnily enough sometimes i find his character model rather weird. When they first revealed how he looked i was actually disappointed, but then he kind of grew on me. Yet he is considered universally good looking by many people on BSN.
So what if several ingame characters were swooning over Cass, if she was established as gorgeous? Do you think she would be perceived differently? And i think Josie does get an admirer eventually (not the one you have fight in her romance path).
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I disliked Cassandra before I knew anything about how people in-game treated her. The fan squeeing about her (mostly all the D/s fantasies) made me dislike her even more. For the first 20 hours of the game my opinion of her didn't change a bit. Scowly and unpleasant.
Having actually romanced her, I will freely admit I was wrong, once you get to know her she does turn out to be very sweet and appealing, especially when she own she owns up to her own frailties and imperfections. But other people's opinions of her didn't effect me at all.
Of course, I may be an aberrant opinion. I also hated Miranda and Morrigan. blech.
No I think it just proves there are as many opinions as there are people and Bioware could never please everyone.
I also choose my LIs based on their personalities and not appearances, although just like in real life the more I get to know someone and the more i like them as a person the more beautiful they become for me.
And there it is, the luxury of the majority of game protagonists being straight, white and male. Everyone else has had to make sacrifices in their avatars, characters, game choices because people of colour, women, homosexuals aren't readily available to us. We have to search, or play as someone else (which shouldn't be too hard in roleplay) but you get to "play as a perfect version of yourself in every RPG you play" and that say's it all doesn't it? What if we wouldn't enjoy the game as anything else other than ourselves? We would be sh!t out of luck.
That's what all of this is about, (some, not all straight, white, men by any means) straight white men have a hard time roleplaying as anything else because they have never felt forced or had no other options, unlike everyone else, they have always had the choice to play as themselves in the majority of games. Thing is though there are other people out here in the universe.
I have no problem with people saying they find Cass 'ugly' but can we just stop now with the manly crap, short hair doesn't = manly it's ridiculous guys.
I play as the perfect version of myself in every RPG I play, Therefore I'm always a straight male character. It's meant to be fun and personally I couldn't enjoy the game as anything else.
I really genuinely don't understand what more people can expect Bioware to do. They gave more than one romance option for straight guys. The amount that they gave (two) is the same amount that they've given in the past two DA games, so no one lost romance options. And they continue to offer a variety within the romances. They are offering unique characters with unique romance plot lines, not just rehashing the same-old story in every game.
In this game, they offer a warrior who has a crusty outer exterior, but is a soft and romantic character underneath it all and a diplomat who is traditionally feminine and has a much more traditional slow paced romantic romance plot with a few memorable moments within (like the duel). Neither of these stories has been told in the series before. They are both unique takes on the romance plotlines in the games.
Surely people can't expect to have their every whim catered to in their romance selection. If you are unhappy with both of them, this is simply a case of 'losing' out on the draw in this game. You just don't happen to find either romance attractive. Not your fault, but certainly not Bioware's fault either. The people who do find them attractive (and there are plenty of them) are huge fans of the romances in this game. It's understandable to be disappointed if you don't like either option, but........so what? Make it known what you do like and maybe Bioware will put that in the next game. That's really the only reasonable expectation and that's only reasonable when it's not hidden within the 'pandering', 'agenda', and 'punishment' rhetoric that people keep trying to sell.
Not everyone likes their choices. I feel it is frustrating people seem to spout that they have bad options when they are personal disfavorites. Lesbians, gay men, and straight men have the same options. Saying that even aesthetics have to meet a standard is very difficult since many people have different views and feelings on what is proper.
There are 4 exclusive for straight characters.
There are 2 exclusive for non straight characters
Iron Bull is Bi and has flirt options, but Cullen is straight and a man can flirt with him, as can a man flirt with Sera before both are turned down. So by having everyone being able to be flirted with, only a character that wants to pursue a relationship will know if they are gay or straight, or possibly Bi. And 2 can't be the issue since, other than ME 2&3 every game with romance has had basically 2 romance options.
Disliking the options are fine, but trying to say they are inadequate for your sexuality due to not being a personal preference, is frustrating.
I would say that the lesbian options are inadequate, due to Sera being an extreme hate sink and Josephine's romance being... experimental.
I would say that the lesbian options are inadequate, due to Sera being an extreme hate sink and Josephine's romance being... experimental.
As long as you recognize that it's simply your personal, subjective opinion on it and that it's not part of any attempt to offer lesbians a worse experience. I think it's perfectly reasonable to find your two options to be unappealing. It's the spin-doctoring that people are doing to try to make their subjective opinions act as evidence to some larger conspiracy that seems silly in my opinion.
As long as you recognize that it's simply your personal, subjective opinion on it and that it's not part of any attempt to offer lesbians a worse experience. I think it's perfectly reasonable to find your two options to be unappealing. It's the spin-doctoring that people are doing to try to make their subjective opinions act as evidence to some larger conspiracy that seems silly in my opinion.
Oh, no. I think it's just not giving enough of a damn to give lesbians a decent experience.
Oh, no. I think it's just not giving enough of a damn to give lesbians a decent experience.
Then I think that this is an unrealistic and unreasonable view on it, but I know that I won't change your mind. There are plenty of developers who don't "give enough of a damn to give lesbians a decent experience". You know how we know that? Because they either include lesbians solely for straight male titillation or they omit lesbians altogether. You and I both know what it looks like when a developer doesn't give a damn about us. It's not Bioware.
Without getting into details and possible polemics, I will answer: because these are my preferences; especially in the male elf case.
Hypothetically speaking, I think it would've been interesting to see the romantic possibilities that a male Lavellan could explore with an elven love interest, particularly given how the developers imposed certain restrictions on any elven relationships with non-elves. There are some fairly diverse backgrounds and cultures that an elven companion could come from, but also common ground with an elven Inquisitor who has to deal with being marginalized in a human dominated society.
Unlike some people, I don't believe Cassandra or Josephine are bad, but I think an elven love interest for a male Lavellan Inquisitor would have been a nice change of pace from the human/elven dynamic that we were limited to in previous games (with a straight male protagonist). Perhaps this may be possible in the future. Inquisition took some good steps in the right direction. Having Sera and Dorian available as love interests for gay protagonists was really cool, and I think dwarven and qunari love interests would add some interesting cultural perspectives in future games.
Then I think that this is an unrealistic and unreasonable view on it, but I know that I won't change your mind. There are plenty of developers who don't "give enough of a damn to give lesbians a decent experience". You know how we know that? Because they either include lesbians solely for straight male titillation or they omit lesbians altogether. You and I both know what it looks like when a developer doesn't give a damn about us. It's not Bioware.
And I have a simple reaction to those people: not playing their games. The only reason I complain about Bioware is because there's a chance they might listen.
Also, keep in mind that my phrasing was "enough of a damn," not no damn at all.
I didn't like Cassandra at first but she grew on me as the game went on. If you advance her romance you will see that there is more to her than just a hard-ass tom boy.
The lack of straight male romances doesn't really bother me because I don't play games for romance.
Why not just do what DA:II did, and make everyone bi? That would fix the so called "lack of choice" wouldn't it? There's also scout Harding, even if nothing ever comes from it.
Also a Straight Male Gamer, and I have no problem with the options in the game. I do think it's odd that so many of the 9,000 threads complaining about them specifically refer to Cassandra as a "zealot" (which... what?). They also complain about her having short hair, even though -- with the exception of Isabela -- every female romance option in the series to date has had short hair or some kind of updo. And Vivienne, a popular suggested addition, is almost completely bald.
And there it is, the luxury of the majority of game protagonists being straight, white and male. Everyone else has had to make sacrifices in their avatars, characters, game choices because people of colour, women, homosexuals aren't readily available to us. We have to search, or play as someone else (which shouldn't be too hard in roleplay) but you get to "play as a perfect version of yourself in every RPG you play" and that say's it all doesn't it? What if we wouldn't enjoy the game as anything else other than ourselves? We would be sh!t out of luck.
That's what all of this is about, (some, not all straight, white, men by any means) straight white men have a hard time roleplaying as anything else because they have never felt forced or had no other options, unlike everyone else, they have always had the choice to play as themselves in the majority of games. Thing is though there are other people out here in the universe.
I have no problem with people saying they find Cass 'ugly' but can we just stop now with the manly crap, short hair doesn't = manly it's ridiculous guys.
Why not just do what DA:II did, and make everyone bi? That would fix the so called "lack of choice" wouldn't it? There's also scout Harding, even if nothing ever comes from it.
Because then we would've gotten only four romances in total, like in DA2. Bioware has already said this.
That's the reason it was frustrating that there were no obvious choices this time. The one franchise that allows this freedom didn't offer the sort of romantic choices we were interested in.
Who is "we?" If we is the people not interested, then yeah, that's kind of how that goes. You're not interested in the things that don't interest you. If we is "straight, white men," then I suggest a less broad umbrella.
Well you do get frowned upon by Cass if you deny maker and don't accept your position as spare jebus. That is in my books high on the zealot list.
I won't lie, Cassandra has thus far been my favorite BioWare romance to date. She is my ideal woman, for sure.
They don't write or design them to be love interests. They write and design them to be complex, interesting people whom you may or may not want to romance. That's a good thing.
No I think it just proves there are as many opinions as there are people and Bioware could never please everyone.
This is so true! lol
They were criticized (wrongly imo) for having four bi LI in DA2.
Now they get criticized for having straight/bi/gay LI in DAI. But they really should not have added two extra for one group. That bred a lot of bitterness.
I think either is fair/good: 2/2/2 or all bi
2/2/2 is nice because if you are gay or lesbian in real life it's awesome to have a romance "just for you" when no other game is really doing this.
All bi is nice because ofc it makes everyone happy.
If you just don't like your choices, that's another matter entirely. Like I could've hated both Anders and Fenris, but that's just bad luck. At least no one else got options I didn't get.
What I don't get is coming here and complaining that you hate your options. Like, okay... sorry, I guess? I don't like mine either. So........???
All bi is nice because ofc it makes everyone happy.
Not really, the all bi route got just as many complaints as now
And if Bioware went that route there would only be 4 LIs, which would be taking away a potential good romance for someone else
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