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[MasterSolo]

I'm quite curious what people think about this topic.

 

I'm pretty sure most people will say "The Warden", since he is probably their favourite, but when thinking from a lore perspective I'm quite puzzled about the matter.

 

Now we all know all three of the characters killed high dragons(with the help of their party members), which already makes them quite amazing, however thinking about their most powerful enemy fought, I'd say The Warden's toughest foe was the Archdemon, and for Hawke and the Inquisitor it would have to be Corypheus. Between the Archdemon and Corypheus I'd say the Archdemon has to be more powerful, since back in ye olden days Corypheus and his buddies used to worship one of the Old Gods.

 

Talking about the Warden and the Archedemon with his darkspawn buddies fight, the Warden had his party members, an army behind him(choice between Redcliffe soldiers, dwarves/golems, elves/werewolves, templars/mages) and some other allies(Irving, Zethran, Gregoire etc.).

 

Talking about Hawke and his fight with Corypheus, he only had his party members, but one might say that Corypheus wasn't at his full strength since he woke up from his thousand year hybernation.

 

Talking about the Inquisitor and his fight with Corypheus, he had his party members. Corypheus might have been at his full strength+ he had the elven orb, however it was stated/assumed he transfered some of his power in the fake Archedemon which was kept busy by Dragon Morrigan/Dragon. So Cory had only a part of his power when fighting the Inquisitor.

 

Honestly, I don't know who had the toughest job. Although the Archdemon was more impressive, The Warden did have a lot of help, and Corypheus in his encounter with the Inquisitor, must have transfered quite a lot of power into the fake Archdemon to be able to withstand a dragon. I'd say Hawke might have had the toughest fight on his hands. Still I doubt all three of the protagonists displayed their full potential, yet.

 

What do you guys think?

 

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Ok guys, please keep it civilized and don't insult each other. These are all opinions and speculations, I doubt any of us can clearly say which one of the three protagonists is more powerful, only the game writers can probably do that and I still think they would have to actually think about it too. So please don't be rude to each other.

 

Now my question was which of the three of them would be more powerful as single individulas, based on all their skills, experience and everything they've gained in their journeys(the ancor counts). It has to be in the respective universe and lore, with it's limitations and physics. Ingame mechanics and such, 100% dodge, 100% resistances etc, really have no place here. We can debate who is more powerful the Inquisition or the Wardens, but like I said I'm interested in the three of them as "single individuals" and not with a whole institution behind them.

 

I did enjoy some your opinions, I found them quite interesting. However...

 

Some of you were saying the Inquisitor beat Cory(which aspired to be a God)+Archdemon, so he must be the most powerful. The idea is that it was a fake Archdemon, and it had all of his power from Corypheus himself. So basically Corypheus split his power. How much of it went into the fake archdemon? Half? More than half? A third? We don't know, we can only speculate. So Inky fought Cory when he wasn't at his full power. Part of Cory's power was being held at bay by Morrigan/the Dragon.

 

Now Cory aspired to godhood, yes he was really powerful, but a real Archdemon is already a God. That's why I'd have to say and the real Archdemon is more powerful than Corypheus. Remember that Corypheus and the magisters, in their prime, bowed down to an Old God.

 

Same goes with when Corypheus, when he first woke up. How powerful was he at that point? How much of his power was he missing?

 

Speaking in mathematical terms. And remember this is all speculation, but I will try to be as accurate as possible. Let's call Corypheus from the fight with Hawke, Cory1 and Corypheus from the fight with the Inquisitor Cory2. Also I'll take out the parties of our protagonists from the equation just to make things simple. Now Cory2>Cory1 since Cory2 was at his full power plus he had the elven artifact. Cory2 split his power, so Cory2=Cory2*+fakeAdemon, again how much of his power did he put in the Ademon? I don't know, but it has to be a lot since the bastard was mostly on equal terms with a real dragon/dragon Morrigan. So the Inquisitor fought Cory2*.

Cory2*< Cory2. Now comparing Cory1 to Cory2*. Again Cory2's power was split so that's why, even though not at full I'd say Cory1>Cory2*.

 

So Cory1>Cory2*, Hawke> Cory1, Inky>Cory2*. Now the real Archdemon(Old God and all, see above) is more powerful than Corypheus, so Ademon>Cory2, that means that Warden+army+allies>Ademon+army, so Warden>Ademon-allies. Now the question: Is Ademon-allies, greater or lower than Cory1? And by how much? Bear in mind this is a very simple estimation, it doesn't take into consideration so many factors like, strategy, experience and such. That's why I'm still puzzled about the "who is more powerful" matter.

 

Also a lot of people are bringing character classes into the matter. Of course it is an important part, but comparing between them would be like comparing Kung Fu with Ju Jutsu or Taekwondo and such. In the end it all depends on the user's skill and experience.

[Kantr]

Lets see, the warden if not a mage only killed an archdemon and is tainted, No special powers. Same for Hawke who couldnt kill an ancient magister.

 

While the Inquisitor has the Anchor allowing them to open rifts or sew the veil back together, also allowing them to walk safely in the fade and to kill people by opening rifts inside them.

[Ogillardetta]

The Inquisitor he/she can open rifts inside of people.

[Quaddis]

There is a quest in Awakening when you go in and wipe a mob, and some soldier guy says something in line - Stories are true, you are a one man army."

[MasterSolo]

Lets see, the warden if not a mage only killed an archdemon and is tainted, No special powers. Same for Hawke who couldnt kill an ancient magister.

 

While the Inquisitor has the Anchor allowing them to open rifts or sew the veil back together, also allowing them to walk safely in the fade and to kill people by opening rifts inside them.

 

Hawke did actually kill the magister, Cory just revived himself.

[Kantr]

If Hawke had then killed Larius/Janeka

[Ieldra]

In terms of personal badassery, an argument can be made for the Inquisitor: she killed an archdemon-like dragon *and* an ancient semi-ascended magister, in one battle. The Warden or Hawke managed to do only one of those.

 

In terms of believable leadership, the Inquisitor tops everyone else anyway.

[blussi]

Huge Hawke fanboy but not gonna lie - that rift opening/closing thing alone takes The Inquisitor's power to some other level IMO. 

[ZoliCs]

With the Anchor it's obviously the Inky, without it...

 

I'd say the Warden, because he has the most experience based on timeline.

[MasterSolo]

An argument can be made for the Inquisitor: she killed an archdemon-like dragon *and* an ancient semi-ascended magister, in one battle. The Warden or Hawke managed to do only one of those.

 

The fake Archdemon had part of the power of Corypheus, which I doubt is even close to what a real Archdemon can do.

[Abaddon_86]

Difficult to say. My main Dual wield warrior warden was super-powerful DPS-wise, had ridiculously good equipment, adjusted stats (cause you know, back then I still could ****ing DO that! ) and used every opportunity to maximize his own power (think Warden keep DLC and Demon deals).

 

My main Mage Hawke was also fairly powerful after all the DLCs, perfect equipment, Blood Magic etc.

 

My Rift/Elemental damage/Utility mage Inq is Lvl 22, has okay Battlemage Dragonbone equipment, an okay stuff and assecoire.

 

I guess it would come down to terrain. If the Warden closes, both Mages would essentially drop the moment he puts his swords in them.

If they can keep the distance however and slow him down... I guess there's a good chance the Warden would drop before he reaches his target, especially if one wouldn't allow for any healing potions.

[dsl08002]

The warden is a super heavy weight

Inquisitor and hawke are light weights

[Abaddon_86]

Well, the Inq would have a frikkin army to back him up... Even for the HoF that would be tough to counter.

[JasonPogo]

Bah the Warden could not even kill Leliana properly...

But I say a Warden that romanced Morrigan is the strongest. Not only dose he kick ass but his women will out wit you?

[Abaddon_86]

But I say a Warden that romanced Morrigan is the strongest. Not only dose he kick ass but his women will out wit you?

 

Good point.

[Arbalest7]

Comparing the three power-wise is pointless as all three are PCs and would do just as well in their respective games (the only differences between them due to the the vastly different gameplay differences between games). In terms of importance it goes Warden<Hawke<Inquisitor. Any Grey warden can kill an Archdemon and the Blight has been stopped four times before, the HOF gets kudos for doing it in the least amount of time with the least help but it is not an unprecedented event by any means. The Warden also pretty much left the status quo of the world completely in tact. Hawke, unwittingly or not, basically caused the collapse of civilization and ushered in the apocalypse. To Thedas as a whole, not just Ferelden, Hawke had a much larger impact. The Inquisitor stopped the apocalypse and was the only one capable of doing so. The Inquisitor also leads an organization rivaling nations and decided the fates of Orlais, the Templars , Grey Wardens, Mages and functionally picked the new Divine. No contest.    

[Rykoth]

Inquisitor or Hawke.

 

The Warden is... only good for Darkspawn really.

 

Hawke is the Champion of a City, and tends to mess things up wherever he/she goes.

 

The Inquisitor tends to clean up both of their messes.

[ManOfSteel]

Not only does the Inquisitor have the power to manipulate fade rifts, but (s)he is the head of an organization that rivals kingdoms, and has the backing of both Orlais and Ferelden. The Inquisitor is also responsible for not only eliminating corypheus, but also the red lyrium dragon he commands.

 

As a figure and someone with allies to back them, the Inquisitor is the most powerful by far. As a fighter, I'd say the Inquisitor edges out the Warden, and Hawke comes in third. But the latter two didn't become the "Hero" and the "Champion" by buying everyone chocolate muffins. They're three protagonists. Naturally, they're going to be powerful figures with mad skills.

[MasterSolo]

Comparing the three power-wise is pointless as all three are PCs and would do just as well in their respective changes (the only differences between them due to the the vastly different gameplay differences between games). In terms of importance it goes Warden<Hawke<Inquisitor. Any Grey warden can kill an Archdemon and the Blight has been stopped four times before, the HOF gets kudos for doing it in the least amount of time with the least help but it is not an unprecedented event by any means. The Warden also pretty much left the status quo of the world completely in tact. Hawke, unwittingly or not, basically caused the collapse of civilization and ushered in the apocalypse. To Thedas as a whole, not just Ferelden, Hawke had a much larger impact. The Inquisitor stopped the apocalypse and was the only one capable of doing so. The Inquisitor also leads an organization rivaling nations and decided the fates of Orlais, the Templars , Grey Wardens, Mages and functionally picked the new Divine. No contest.    

 

The idea is not to compare them ingame with game mechanics and such, but lorewise in the respective world, with it's physics and limitations. And each of the three protagonists compared as single individuals with their respective skills and not with institution like the Wardens or The Inquisition behind them.

[MoonDrummer]

Well it depends I suppose, did the warden drink avernus' potion etc

[The Hierophant]

Rand al'Thor?

[Abaddon_86]

lore-wise, the anchor and elven well plus the army surely are sufficient to bring a mage Inq to almost god-like status and easily crush Warden and Hawke alike.

[Applepie_Svk]

Warden: 

ancient lady of forest / ancient elf 

ancient paragon / actual paragon

Loghain

Fade and tower filled with demons

mountain cult

carta

blight - broodmother and corrupted old god

possesed children

 

optional : Speaking darkspawn, demons

 

Inquisitor:

cultists

templars/mages

fade 

magister + corrupted dragon but with help of another dragon

 

optional: killing a dragons

 

Hawke:

deep roads thaig

Arishok

Mage/templars war

Corrypheus 

 

optional: dragons and demons

 

Only thing which makes Inquisitor stronger is an anchor, but overall is Warden far more experienced. Otherwise you still can`t compare inquisitior which is somehow leading an inquisition with the characters which were not leading at all, Hawke is just a Hawke - wrong time and wrong place, while Warden was using a treaties of already existing organisation in which he/she was just recruited.

[MoonDrummer]

lore-wise, the anchor and elven well plus the army surely are sufficient to bring a mage Inq to almost god-like status and easily crush Warden and Hawke alike.

But the warden can be king/queen of ferelden. I think in the slides how at the end of origins he can become king of orzimar aswell when harrowmont dies. So it is possible that the warden will have the power of a kingdom, also are we including the companions in thi fight because I think the da:o cast is stronger than the others

[-Akriloth-]

I think importance goes with Warden>Hawke>Inquisitor. Remember, if Warden didn't kill the archdemon blight would spread to other lands, unstoppable. Hawke wouldn't happen, Inquisitor wouldn't happen.

 

In my play though tho, my Elven Arcane Mage Warden who uses blood magic, can use fade without need of an anchor(not close rifts tho) and the first/only known warden to survive killing an archdemon would send back Hawke and Inquisitor crying for their mums.

 

So for my characters Warden>Inquisitor>Hawke.