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[Aren]

who cares? whats the point of this thread the ability skill are different in the 3 games, remember also that a dalish inquisitor bounded to  mythal is very powerful.

[Dustin Mock]

While subtle, I think this has a lot of weight in this discussion:

 

In DA3 - The support and alliances and fears by the people and organizations in Thedas were of the Inquisition itself, not the Inquisitor.

 

In DA1 - The support, alliances and fears by the people and organizations in Thedas were of The Warden, not the Gray Wardens as a whole.  

 

 

 

This is moot however, because I'm pretty sure Sandal would side with Hawke if these 3 started to fight.  Let the Inquisitor command the armies of Thedas.  Anyone remember what the results were the last time an unstoppable, unending army attacked Sandal?

 

[NoxJuked]

Warden is strongest. I keep seeing Inquis can have anchor and well and took down an old magister + his fake dragon. Yes the Inquisitor does that but with help from another dragon as well as experienced vets besides Sera and Cole who are the youngest.

 

Not just any warden can kill an archdemon, sure they could throw plenty at it until it dies but it technically could only take about the HOF or + 1 or 2 aka alistair and riordan or loghain. And everyone who helped the hero of fereldan was quite young minus maybe Sten and Wynne. Who could be told to be left defending the gates.

[Regan_Cousland]

In my own personal head-canon, my Inquisitor is the least skilled fighter of the three, and my Hawke is arguably the most skilled.

My inquisitor, a female surface dwarf, is a former carta agent whose cunning and intelligence made her the perfect liaison between the dwarven and human underworlds. She's good with blades and poisons and often had to play the enforcer, but -- without the Anchor -- she's hardly a god on the battlefield. She certainly wouldn't like to get into a scrap with Cassandra.

My Hawke, by contrast, was the Captain of Archers in the Battle of Ostagar. When Logain betrayed King Cailan, my Hawke saved many of his comrades, including his brother, by laying down ten straight minutes of suppressing fire and killing upwards of thirty darkspawn while his men fled the field.

Despite being a broke refugee in a hostile city, and despite having no political connections, he rose to wealth and eminence due in large part to his ability to strategize in battle, inspire his ragtag group of followers, and kill anything that moves from thirty paces with an arrow to the knee, heart or brain. 

To sum up, my Inquisitor is like a smarter Jarvia from DA:O, and my Hawke is like Maximus crossed with Robin Hood. lol

Does that mean I like my Hawke more than my Inquisitor? No! I like them both. Both are well-suited for their positions.

My Inquisitor is as bright as they come; she's like a shorter, sexier M from James Bond.

My Hawke would nod off or make inappropriate jokes that would enrage his advisors if he had to spend more than thirty minutes a day in the War Room.   

[senior caliente]

Inquisitor or Hawke.

 

The Warden is... only good for Darkspawn really.

 

Hawke is the Champion of a City, and tends to mess things up wherever he/she goes.

 

The Inquisitor tends to clean up both of their messes.

The HoF raised an army and united Ferelden after theKings army and the Warden's where defeated, dont underestimate him! Id say inquisitor but all depends, my female hawke is a pretty powerfullbloodmage. So lets hope they never have to fight to deat:P

[DaemionMoadrin]

My Wardens would kick Hawke's and Inquisitor's butts, without breaking a sweat.

 

Just compare the skills, abilities, levels, resistances etc.

 

My Aeducan warden is a dual-wielding warrior, Berserker, Champion and Spirit Warrior. He obliterates every enemy in moments.

My Surana warden is an Arcane Warrior in heavy plate, with sword and shield. He's also a Spirit Healer and Battle Mage. Not to mention his spells like Crushing Prison etc.

 

Hawke is a badass but he simply can't compare to my best Wardens. The Inquisitor is a joke who only gets to play in the same league because he's got that mark.

[Ashagar]

Hmm honestly it depends on what the warden and Hawke. For instance my Cousland warden was a Templar and would have killed my Mage Hawke like a bug while my Hawke Templar would have tore though my warden mage with little issue.

 

The Inquisitor though is not push over regardless, other than Corypheus and his dragon, they've surrived physically being in the fade in a area with what's likely the most powerful demon the fade and its minions twice, fought hordes of demons and has killed more far high dragons than Hawke and the warden put together.

[outlaw1109]

 

 

Talking about the Inquisitor and his fight with Corypheus, he had his party members. Corypheus might have been at his full strength+ he had the elven orb, however it was stated/assumed he transfered some of his power in the fake Archedemon which was kept busy by Dragon Morrigan/Dragon. So Cory had only a part of his power when fighting the Inquisitor.

 

 

 

Your interpretation of the final battle of DAI is, from what I gathered, inaccurate.  Part of Cory's power was in the dragon, but you defeated it and that power returned to him.  (allowing the kill to be final).  So, the final part of the fight, he possessed the entirety of his power.

I liked Hawke as a character, but I have to eliminate him/her first because both the Warden and the Inquisitor were capable of actually winning, whereas everything Hawke does seems to be irrelevant to the grand scheme.

The Inquisitor had to clean up most of his/her mess.  If the Inquisitor didn't exist, they would have just made the Warden do it...

As to Inquisitor vs. Warden.  That's a tough call.  In fact, I'd say that they were literally equal.  

I see my canon Warden vs. canon Inquisitor fight ending with both gasping as they continually parry and joust with each other's swords.  Then, the Inquisitor uses the Anchor to create a fade rift within the Warden and kill him, but not before the warden uses this minor distraction to sink his blade into the Inquisitor's belly.
Both die.

Hawke, having been earlier disqualified, curses because now the world's problems are hers again, and that didn't work out so well the last time it happened.

[Jeremy Ray]

Warden Mage > Inquisitor > Hawke for battle prowess.

leadership wise It is Inquisitor > Warden > Hawke, although close between warden and inquisitor since really Inquisitor has 3 people helping him.

[ShadowLordXII]

This is tough.

 

Putting aside Specializations, Talents and Abilities (which gets iffy considering the differing systems between the 3 games). I'd say that in terms of feat, power and influence, the Inquisitor leads, followed by the Warden with Hawke trailing in last.

 

The Inquisitor can open and close rifts through the Fade at will; Use said-rifts for devastating group attacks; stormed at least 3 occupied keeps; killed a pseudo-archdemon and Corypheus and has killed no less than 10 High Dragons.

 

As leader of the Inquisitor, they are the heart of a growing cult of personality within the Chantry who believe that he's Andraste's Herald; Act as the power behind the throne of Orlais; Potentially allied with the Qunari and control a vast military/espionage/connection network that spans through no less than four regions (Orlais, Free Marches, Ferelden and Nevarra).

 

The Warden single-handedly slaughtered an army of darkspawn while in the deep roads; cleared out Khal-Hirol; Killed an Archdemon; Killed at least 2 High Dragons; Defeated Flemeth; and Killed the Mother.

 

Additionally, the Warden is also the Hero of Ferelden, Warden-Commander of Vigil's Keep and the Silver Order, Arl of Amaranthine, Champion of Redcliffe and can even become Teryn of Gwaren if not King/Queen of Ferelden (if they're nobles).

 

Hawke defeated the Arishok in single-combat; killed Orsino and Meredith; Killed a High Dragon; cleared out a Dragon Den; Cleared out an ancient thaig filled with darkspawn and rock monsters; Defeated Corypheus; and is Champion of Kirkwall.

[Shimmer_Gloom]

Just like the Superman/Goku fight it helps, I think to really try to seperate the hero from the game mechanics (or comic) and think about what they represent as characters.

Goku is about overcoming his own limitations and Superman doesn't have any. Their feats are very similar (surging planet killing explosions and etc) but Superman IS the best while Goku BECOMES better.

Similarly. I would agree that Hawke is known for killing things. She defeated the Arishock in single combat. She's not much of a leader but she's lucky. And she killed her way to the top.

The Warden has similar feats as Hawke (is the Hero of River Dane=to Aroshock? Idk) but is definately more defined by his leadership capabilities. Wrangling his army against the archdemon's, brokering a deal with Orzamar, and so on. But he doesn't NEED to be a great fighter. He just often is played as such.

The Inquisitor has killed the most High Dragons (can even solo them) but I'm not sure we are supposed to take these gameplay feats as examples of how good of a fighter they are. Cass and Bull and so on ALREADY know the specializations that the Quizzy picks up. The Quizzy is likely less capable at first.

So what does this all mean to me? I think it's a bit of a wash. Hawke is obviously meant to be the best fighter but doesn't have the Taint or Anchor or any kind of supernatural ability (outside of potentially being a mage). The Anchor has an awesome AOE ability but it's best for suprise attacks. I'd say Warden is closest to Hawke's fighting ability and his Taint probably gives him the edge he needs to overcome it.

So. I say Warden.

[Nightdragon8]

I'm quite curious what people think about this topic.

 

I'm pretty sure most people will say "The Warden", since he is probably their favourite, but when thinking from a lore perspective I'm quite puzzled about the matter.

 

Now we all know all three of the characters killed high dragons(with the help of their party members), which already makes them quite amazing, however thinking about their most powerful enemy fought, I'd say The Warden's toughest foe was the Archdemon, and for Hawke and the Inquisitor it would have to be Corypheus. Between the Archdemon and Corypheus I'd say the Archdemon has to be more powerful, since back in ye olden days Corypheus and his buddies used to worship one of the Old Gods.

 

Talking about the Warden and the Archedemon with his darkspawn buddies fight, the Warden had his party members, an army behind him(choice between Redcliffe soldiers, dwarves/golems, elves/werewolves, templars/mages) and some other allies(Irving, Zethran, Gregoire etc.).

 

Talking about Hawke and his fight with Corypheus, he only had his party members, but one might say that Corypheus wasn't at his full strength since he woke up from his thousand year hybernation.

 

Talking about the Inquisitor and his fight with Corypheus, he had his party members. Corypheus might have been at his full strength+ he had the elven orb, however it was stated/assumed he transfered some of his power in the fake Archedemon which was kept busy by Dragon Morrigan/Dragon. So Cory had only a part of his power when fighting the Inquisitor.

 

Honestly, I don't know who had the toughest job. Although the Archdemon was more impressive, The Warden did have a lot of help, and Corypheus in his encounter with the Inquisitor, must have transfered quite a lot of power into the fake Archdemon to be able to withstand a dragon. I'd say Hawke might have had the toughest fight on his hands. Still I doubt all three of the protagonists displayed their full potential, yet.

 

What do you guys think?

 

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Ok guys, please keep it civilized and don't insult each other. These are all opinions and speculations, I doubt any of us can clearly say which one of the three protagonists is more powerful, only the game writers can probably do that and I still think they would have to actually think about it too. So please don't be rude to each other.

 

Now my question was which of the three of them would be more powerful as single individulas, based on all their skills, experience and everything they've gained in their journeys(the ancor counts). It has to be in the respective universe and lore, with it's limitations and physics. Ingame mechanics and such, 100% dodge, 100% resistances etc, really have no place here. We can debate who is more powerful the Inquisition or the Wardens, but like I said I'm interested in the three of them as "single individuals" and not with a whole institution behind them.

 

I did enjoy some your opinions, I found them quite interesting. However...

 

Some of you were saying the Inquisitor beat Cory(which aspired to be a God)+Archdemon, so he must be the most powerful. The idea is that it was a fake Archdemon, and it had all of his power from Corypheus himself. So basically Corypheus split his power. How much of it went into the fake archdemon? Half? More than half? A third? We don't know, we can only speculate. So Inky fought Cory when he wasn't at his full power. Part of Cory's power was being held at bay by Morrigan/the Dragon.

 

Now Cory aspired to godhood, yes he was really powerful, but a real Archdemon is already a God. That's why I'd have to say and the real Archdemon is more powerful than Corypheus. Remember that Corypheus and the magisters, in their prime, bowed down to an Old God.

 

Same goes with when Corypheus, when he first woke up. How powerful was he at that point? How much of his power was he missing?

 

Speaking in mathematical terms. And remember this is all speculation, but I will try to be as accurate as possible. Let's call Corypheus from the fight with Hawke, Cory1 and Corypheus from the fight with the Inquisitor Cory2. Also I'll take out the parties of our protagonists from the equation just to make things simple. Now Cory2>Cory1 since Cory2 was at his full power plus he had the elven artifact. Cory2 split his power, so Cory2=Cory2*+fakeAdemon, again how much of his power did he put in the Ademon? I don't know, but it has to be a lot since the bastard was mostly on equal terms with a real dragon/dragon Morrigan. So the Inquisitor fought Cory2*.

Cory2*< Cory2. Now comparing Cory1 to Cory2*. Again Cory2's power was split so that's why, even though not at full I'd say Cory1>Cory2*.

 

So Cory1>Cory2*, Hawke> Cory1, Inky>Cory2*. Now the real Archdemon(Old God and all, see above) is more powerful than Corypheus, so Ademon>Cory2, that means that Warden+army+allies>Ademon+army, so Warden>Ademon-allies. Now the question: Is Ademon-allies, greater or lower than Cory1? And by how much? Bear in mind this is a very simple estimation, it doesn't take into consideration so many factors like, strategy, experience and such. That's why I'm still puzzled about the "who is more powerful" matter.

 

Also a lot of people are bringing character classes into the matter. Of course it is an important part, but comparing between them would be like comparing Kung Fu with Ju Jutsu or Taekwondo and such. In the end it all depends on the user's skill and experience.

The Warden, if you drink the 'power up' exiler it pretty much makes it that way.

[KaiserShep]

The Knight Enchanter with rift power would put everyone else on a leash. What the PC's were in the other games doesn't really matter anymore, since they're all now bound to the rules of the latest game (so no summoning creatures out of thin air for you, ranger Warden). And of course, no matter what, the Inquisitor commands an army and has major influence in more than one country.

[Stahl33]

As far as how I "FEEL" they are, it would be:  Warden > Inquisitor > Hawke....

 

The Warden, just like the Inquisitor travelled a LOT, and saw a lot of things.  I would say that the warden saw the most varied number of things though. 

Certainly the Anchor adds to the inquisitor, but if you compare them to their companions, and the feeling of how far they have travelled, I "FEEL" that the warden is the strongest!

[filetemo]

the warden faced Flemeth. All other characters presented before her only have managed to barely not crap their pants when talking to her.

[Ashagar]

I don't recall either of the other two showing any fear about dealing with Flemeth so I don't think that counts besides from what I gather Flemeth has something in common with the arch-demons and Corypheus body jumping when killed only she has apparently has willing vessels to jump into when killed.

[Pokemario]

Alistair (somehow miraculously) managed to gather basically everyone at Denerim but fails to stop Archdemon nonetheless without The Warden.

Well,I think he meant any Warden with enough common sense to put Leliana in some actual armor instead of letting her fight the frigging Archdemon in Chantry robes.

[Shaftell]

INQUISITOR. not only by combat prowess but by political and military strength. He kills 11 dragons in this game. He fights Cory. He fights Cory's minions. Kills Lord seeker. Great expertise against demons. He can also drink from the well and gain tons of knowledge. Also, he can be a political figurehead that can influence nations. He can end the wardens. He's also a religious leader. He also commands the strongest companions.
Warden is second and the inquisitors toughest competition because he can say he killed an archdemon. And in a one on one fight he has a good chance, but we can assume he's ten years older and perhaps washed up.

[Pokemario]

Put all 3 in a cage, no special power, no army, just their skills.  Who do you think will win?

 

Hawke,as they can hack n slash through Warden and Inky 

[MrMrPendragon]

The Inquisitor definitely has the most political power, but my pick is the Warden based on feats alone.

 

Warden beat an Archdemon, a few hundred darkspawn, a talking darkspawn, a harvester, and Flemeth (although not quite dead)

[Galactus]

Well, the Inquisitor is the most powerful, especially if you are a Qunari Inquisitor. Although I think the original Hero of Feralden warden was cooler.

[KaiserShep]

The archdemon is mentioned often, but there's nothing truly special about this thing other than the fact that it requires the darkspawn taint to eliminate.

 

the warden faced Flemeth. All other characters presented before her only have managed to barely not crap their pants when talking to her.

 

The Warden basically faced yet another dragon, but of course was unable to actually get rid of her. Gaxkang was worse than she was.

[BloodyTalon]

One on one Warden of-course, espically if they did some of the more corrupt choices like accept blood magic deals to increase their health, drunk the one potion and so on.

Influnce and net working power wise the Inquestior of-course.