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[KaiserShep]

I'm pretty sure the rift power alone would trump Avernus' alchemical concoction and a slight increase in constitution.

[DaemionMoadrin]

I'm pretty sure the rift power alone would trump Avernus' alchemical concoction and a slight increase in constitution.

 

Does the Inquisitor still have the rift power at the end of the game? Or is gone, together with the Breach?

[KaiserShep]

Does the Inquisitor still have the rift power at the end of the game? Or is gone, together with the Breach?

 

Interesting question. I honestly don't really remember. I didn't actually go exploring when the game was completed so I didn't even think to check.

[MrMrPendragon]

I'm pretty sure the rift power alone would trump Avernus' alchemical concoction and a slight increase in constitution.

 

That's actually a good point. And that slipped my mind.

 

Doing the whole rift thing about 20 times almost made it trivial for me.

 

Counting that, I guess it does go to the Inquisitor. Still, if the Warden masters the power in the taint, he might match the Inquisitor's rift power, but as of right now, the Inquisitor takes it. Ripping a hole in the fade is a big deal.

[Ashagar]

The Inquisitor still has the anchor and will continue to carry it until they die and as long as they have that they can still open and close rifts.

[Giantdeathrobot]

At the end of the day, bar the different game mechanics, the one thing that differenciates every protagonist is their unique ability; the Warden can acquire the power of blood, Quizzy has the Anchor, and Hawke has... a sweet looking murder knife?

 

So yeah, Hawke is out. And I'm pretty sure that Quizzy being able to tear open rifts within people ends the fight as soon as it starts anyway. The Inquisitor has also stormed three keeps by themselves, killed no less than 10 High Dragon as well as killed a semi-Archdemon right before dispatching an ancient Tevinter Magister, and we don't even have DLC for Inquisition yet. So all in all I think Quizzy wins.

[BloodyTalon]

I did take the rift mark into account, its less effective against tougher foes though and wasn't just talking about the power of blood abilities.

Remember The Warden has the option to boost his health by letting a bunch of elves die has part of a ritual if he makes a deal. But yeah the rigt thing didn't cross my mind, so sppouse in the end if  he can weaken the warden and open a rigtt inside him he would win. But one on the outside would just have a slow down effect more then anything...so tough call against a goodie warden the inquestior wins, against an evil warden to hard to say.

[MrMrPendragon]

I did take the rift mark into account, its less effective against tougher foes though and wasn't just talking about the power of blood abilities.

Remember The Warden has the option to boost his health by letting a bunch of elves die has part of a ritual if he makes a deal. But yeah the rigt thing didn't cross my mind, so sppouse in the end if  he can weaken the warden and open a rigtt inside him he would win. But one on the outside would just have a slow down effect more then anything...so tough call against a goodie warden the inquestior wins, against an evil warden to hard to say.

 

But that's creating situations though. The Warden to me is more badass, but the Inquisitor is just more powerful for sure. If sacrificing a bunch of elves through magic gives you a huge bonus, then Tevinter would probably have conquered the Qunari by now.

 

The Warden is just a guy. And the whole "doesn't work against big guys" is just a gameplay thing. For gameplay's sake, of course the rift wouldn't actually suck up anything, but lore-wise it's a powerful ability.

[Scorn]

Who would win in an arena fight depends on your own canon I guess, can't deny that the inquistor has a fortress and a massive army though while the warden and hawke are on their own

[BloodyTalon]

But that's creating situations though. The Warden to me is more badass, but the Inquisitor is just more powerful for sure. If sacrificing a bunch of elves through magic gives you a huge bonus, then Tevinter would probably have conquered the Qunari by now.

 

The Warden is just a guy. And the whole "doesn't work against big guys" is just a gameplay thing. For gameplay's sake, of course the rift wouldn't actually suck up anything, but lore-wise it's a powerful ability.

If you really want to get techannly and use defualts heros of what happen to each, then the warden is dead and it doesn't really matter in canon anyhow.

But the rift powers that the inquestior used to banish one of the first dawkspawn had to be used on a weaken foe. So he would still have to open a rift outside which has a vairable effect it does damage, but doesn't always kill and would be draining if you do away with game   mechinics and take focus has performing a draining task, so still would be left with a injuried corrupt warden and  drained inquesiitor.

So in the end we can still go around in circles all day, and sorry for typos.

[BubbleDncr]

Well, I believe after Awakening and all the dlc for DA:O, the Warden could end up much higher level and with significantly more abilities than both Hawke and Inquizzie.

 

But we'll have to see. 

[KaiserShep]

Well, I believe after Awakening and all the dlc for DA:O, the Warden could end up much higher level and with significantly more abilities than both Hawke and Inquizzie.

 

But we'll have to see. 

 

Fast forward a decade, and the Warden ends up stuck with just 8 abilities.

[outlaw1109]

Fast forward a decade, and the Warden ends up stuck with just 8 abilities.

Doesn't that make Quizzy stronger?  IE:  Can't use as many abilities as Warden or Hawke, still fights and wins.

 

[Jeremy Ray]

As far as politics go tho, Hawke has no allies really unless you want to count Aveline and the Kirkwall guard.

Warden is the HoF and pretty sure in any canon the Ferelden throne will support the Warden and not the Inquisitor. So it would be Warden/Ferelden vs Inquisitor / Orlais. Inquisitor would only one up the Warden there if he allied with the Qunari.

DAI limits you on specialization, so I still give combat to Warden since he has mastered 2-3 specializations. Especially a Warden Mage.

When ya think of allies, becomes a bit more interesting.
Wynne vs Vivienne. Wynne.
Sten vs Iron Bull? Iron Bull
Morrigan vs Solas? Solas
Zevran vs Sera. Zevran
Lellianna vs Varric. Lellianna

[KaiserShep]

When ya think of allies, becomes a bit more interesting.
Wynne vs Vivienne. Wynne.
Sten vs Iron Bull? Iron Bull
Morrigan vs Solas? Solas
Zevran vs Sera. Zevran
Lellianna vs Varric. Lellianna

 

I could be mistaken and it may have been retcon'd, but isn't Wynne now dead as of the events of Inquisition?

 

Sera vs Zevran is a bit debatable, though Zevran has been an assassin for quite a while, but Sera's Tempest abilities are pretty outrageous. Also, you forgot Cole, the assassin spirit that can make you forget he exists entirely. If he wanted, he could kill everyone in Skyhold, and make each current survivor forget as it was happening.

[Jeremy Ray]

zevran would seduce Cole and kill him in his sleep... Lol. sera be tricky, but still give edge to Zevran for crow training.

Im not sure about Wynne. She was old, had a spirit with her though, but 10 years has passed.

[KaiserShep]

But Cole can read his thoughts as well. Gameplay doesn't reflect it, but he has some pretty crazy powers.

 

Wynne dies in Asunder. I don't know if they reversed that, but I don't see why they would since she's not likely to appear again in any of the games.

[Jeremy Ray]

For Cole may have to tag Zevran out for Sandal. Sandal trumps all still;)

I'm not familiar with Asunder, I'll have to check it out cause I am curious how the spirit thing ended for her, if it was always a positive or if it went south.

[Catastrophy]

I could be mistaken and it may have been retcon'd, but isn't Wynne now dead as of the events of Inquisition?

 

Sera vs Zevran is a bit debatable, though Zevran has been an assassin for quite a while, but Sera's Tempest abilities are pretty outrageous. Also, you forgot Cole, the assassin spirit that can make you forget he exists entirely. If he wanted, he could kill everyone in Skyhold, and make each current survivor forget as it was happening.

Sera vs Zevran isn't really debatable at all. Warden made quick work of Zevran. Sera lived to tell the tale.

[KaiserShep]

Sera vs Zevran isn't really debatable at all. Warden made quick work of Zevran. Sera lived to tell the tale.

 

Poor Zev. He got the wrong job that day.

 

I imagine at the time, Sera was probably a teenager or younger.

[Catastrophy]

I imagine at the time, Sera was probably a teenager or younger.

I'm not really lore wise to tell how long elves live, but I think she mentioned being a small girl in my playthrough. However, she'd tell any story as if she had been there herself anyway.

[In Exile]

Importance is obviously Inquisitor and then everyone else largely fading into irrelevancy. The Inquisitor's apocalypse was worse than the Blight, as the bad future shows us. Hawke barely even counts.

In terms of feats and power, the Inquisitor killed more impressive things. Fought a more terrifying demon in the Fade, dealt with more dragons, and a threat that could actually think.

[filetemo]

Importance is obviously Inquisitor and then everyone else largely fading into irrelevancy. The Inquisitor's apocalypse was worse than the Blight, as the bad future shows us. Hawke barely even counts.

In terms of feats and power, the Inquisitor killed more impressive things. Fought a more terrifying demon in the Fade, dealt with more dragons, and a threat that could actually think.

the inquisitor barely escaped a demon (which had to be held by either Stroud or you know who) and sacrificed a companion to return unscathed.

Also the Warden was mostly alone for  most of the game, while the Inquisitor has a personal army from day one almost.

[outlaw1109]

the inquisitor barely escaped a demon (which had to be held by either Stroud or you know who) and sacrificed a companion to return unscathed.

Also the Warden was mostly alone for  most of the game, while the Inquisitor has a personal army from day one almost.

While your post makes sense, that Army the Inquisitor has is only seen once and doesn't help him defeat any of those larger threats.  Whereas, the Warden had all sorts of people for the final fight against the AD.  (vague memories of archers on the battlements and what not).

Either way, for the most part, they stood alone against many things.  A better argument would be that the Warden actually fought a sloth demon in the fade, whereas most of the Inquisitors fights were in the real world.

I seem to think a demon would be stronger in the fade...

[jsachun]

Wrong thread.