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[LaughingBanana]

When we are talking about personal level of power, it does not seem right to bring the weight of an entire organization that stood behind each character. It's like arguing who is a better racer between A and B while including the fact that A drives a Ferrari and B drives a Pinto. Saying the Inquisitor is more powerful because of the Inquisition does *not* signify his/her *own* power as an individual. Besides, the Inquisitor does not strike me as a shrewd tactician in terms of diplomacy or political maneuvering--it's all Leliana, Josephine, and in terms of leading soldiers, Cullen. He/she's just largely a figurehead. Really, take out these three, and what can the Inquisitor him/herself achieve by virtue of his/her own intellect/cunning/power...?

 

Can you even begin to imagine what kind of force/clout/power the Inquisition would have if the Hero of Ferelden is the one picked to lead it, as per the original plan? The person who we *know for a fact* a powerful warrior on his/her own (you don't get to kill stuff like Broodmother or Harvester with clever tongue alone), who we *know for a fact* capable of political maneuvering, who we *know for a fact* also very capable in directing/leading/commanding entire armies made up of widely different compositions and parties to a single cause? And this is without the help of a Spymaster, a Military Commander, and a Master Diplomat?

 

Hawke doesn't really count since he/she's just a great fighter and not that I'd seen capable of leading an organization such as Inquisition, at least not to the extent where it could reach results as great as if the Warden/Inquisitor lead it.

 

So, it would be much more interesting to rate them independently of their organization/backing, and I do believe this is what the OP asked.

 

And personally, I'd rate Warden at the top.

[theluc76]

the Warden, you can boost his base stats for the role he is in, due to this what ever character class he his, the warden will be on top.

[colemanshane]

Probably Inquisitor, the Anchor, along with mine being a Mercenary leader and overall Dragon Slayer.

However, in Witch Hunt my Warden stabbed fade rifts closed. The Warden reminds me of the Chuck Norris facts sometimes

[Titans1226]

It largely depends. On what you classify as power. Political power? You'll get crushed by the inquisitor and his giant army, spynetwork, and diplomatic corps filled with zealots more loyal to him than to their actual Divine. The warden basically only has support of one single kingdom that's basically....well.....I'm gojng to say Chile (no offense to people Chile) it's great in its own right and there's nothing wrong with it....it's just going to be crushed under the weight of other counties pretty easily due to a variety of factors. In terms of personal power its really a tie. We can't take the gameplay of each game into account since they vary so wildly. The warden killed an archdemon....but you just need an adequately skill with an army could do that, they did that dozens of times in the first blight before the wardens were actually formed. The Wardens also recruit anyone that's good enough with a sword. So it's possible that there are tons of wardens who would absolutely demolish the HoF in single combat. He's still impressive, he's the Flipping Warden, but he's not as crazy powerful as some people are saying. Hawke, hawke is relevant because the people of Thedas think he is (which is really influential if think about it). The inquisitor has no real set achievement that makes him a badass in combat other than surviving some pretty tough things. He survived being put in the fade physically, he survived an avalanche, he survived the nightmare demon. He did beat Cory, who had a psydue archdemon with him tbough. And he has the mark. So in my mind it comes down to....does the HoF kill the inquisitor or does the Inq survive long enough to put the Hero in the fade. Hope that was long enough for yall

[PlasmaCheese]

My Warden and Hawke wouldn't win because they'd be so jealous.  Not only did the Inquisitor get called Basalit-an, but she's someone's Kadan too. And to top it all off, she can actually bang the token Qunari in her game.

 

Flawless Victory.

[In Exile]

In terms of sheer power it goes Inqusitor>Warden>Hawke. Inqusitor disintergrates beings with the power of the fade itself. But in terms of sheer badassery it goes Warden>Inqusitor> Hawke. The Warden killed an old god that's nearly immortal and killed Flemeth and slew tons of darkspawn bested Loghain and killed three other high dragons for giggles.

The Inquisitor killed high ten dragons, including three in a row. The red lyrium dragon. You've also slaughtered demons stronger than a Pride demon, including crushing one right after the Sacred Ashes temple while the Warden struggled with one.

Ranking the archdemon as a threat is pretty hypothetical. There's no indication it is any stronger than a regular dragon.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Based on how I played and imagine them? Warden > Hawke > Quiz.


And no, the Inquisitor does not shoot to the top just because of the 'mark and ability to open rifts inside people. He did that against a beaten and defenseless Corypheus. It won't work against Hawke or Mahariel unless he beats them that badly, which I do not think he can!

[ashlover mark 2]

The Inquisitor killed high ten dragons, including three in a row. The red lyrium dragon. You've also slaughtered demons stronger than a Pride demon, including crushing one right after the Sacred Ashes temple while the Warden struggled with one.

Ranking the archdemon as a threat is pretty hypothetical. There's no indication it is any stronger than a regular dragon.

Several of those high dragons were push overs. The HOF could down those easily. The Archdemon is a threat if a Grey warden doesn't kill it. The Inqusitor could never truly kill it even if it is just another dragon.

[Giantdeathrobot]

Several of those high dragons were push overs. The HOF could down those easily. The Archdemon is a threat if a Grey warden doesn't kill it. The Inqusitor could never truly kill it even if it is just another dragon.

 

And the Warden would get stomped by any random Rift because they have no means to close it whatsoever.

 

That logic works both ways.

[canarius]

The Warden is the most badass, strongest and most powerful character in the history of Thedas and nothing will ever change that.

[Dr. Rush]

Until either Hawke or Inquisitor can solo the Golems of Amgarrak on nightmare, my disco-ball warden is the reigning champ of Thedas.

[ashlover mark 2]

And the Warden would get stomped by any random Rift because they have no means to close it whatsoever.

 

That logic works both ways.

Yes, it does now tell that to In Exile. He's the one who said the warden struggled with one pride demon.

[In Exile]

Yes, it does now tell that to In Exile. He's the one who said the warden struggled with one pride demon.

The Warden did struggle with one pride demon. Or do you honestly think the Warden effortlessly beat Uldred and then went for some tea?

Same as how the Inquisitor struggled to overcome foes in DAI like Corypheus despite the gameplay and the Warden didn't curbstomp the archdemon. That's just pure gameplay story segregation.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Depends on the class.  If the Warden was a mage, then the Warden, because DAO mages were way more powerful than the classes from the other games.

[ashlover mark 2]

The Warden did struggle with one pride demon. Or do you honestly think the Warden effortlessly beat Uldred and then went for some tea?

Same as how the Inquisitor struggled to overcome foes in DAI like Corypheus despite the gameplay and the Warden didn't curbstomp the archdemon. That's just pure gameplay story segregation.

HOF struggled with uldred as much as anyone has been shown to struggle with a pride demon. The only difference is that there were only two between Origins and Awakening because demons were not the main enemy. If there had been more the HOF would have beaten them aswell.

[l7986]

My min maxed cunning rogue HoF laughs at the Inquisitor and his silly green hand.

[In Exile]

HOF struggled with uldred as much as anyone has been shown to struggle with a pride demon. The only difference is that there were only two between Origins and Awakening because demons were not the main enemy. If there had been more the HOF would have beaten them aswell.

By that logic you can just say the Inquisitor could have beaten the archdemon - it just had the good luck of not being around when the Inquisitor was there to kill it.

The PC will be as strong as the foes he or she defeats. It's all dependent on the plot. The Orelsian Warden does less impressive things just because DAA has less impressive enemies (for example).

[ashlover mark 2]

By that logic you can just say the Inquisitor could have beaten the archdemon - it just had the good luck of not being around when the Inquisitor was there to kill it.

The PC will be as strong as the foes he or she defeats. It's all dependent on the plot. The Orelsian Warden does less impressive things just because DAA has less impressive enemies (for example).

Maybe he could've, and maybe Hawke could have aswell. The PCs are all meant to be larger than life badass's, there really is no right or wrong answer when it comes to topics like these because all three have kicked major ass in their resppective games. It really just comes down to who we like the most like Goku vs Superman or Master Chief vs Commander Shepard. 

 

You should note, I did say I belive the Inqusitor is more powerful... Just not more badass.

[Fardreamer]

The Warden led a united army of Dwarves, Elves, and Humans with added support of Templars or mages against a Blight level horde of Darkspawn.

The Inquisitor's main bulk of his army comes from either mages or Templars. The rest are just recruits or conscripted Wardens.

Id say the Warden's united army is stronger than the inquisition's.

In terms of personal skill, it's hard to say. Hawke beat the Arishok in 1on1 combat, Orsino's super abomination, and a red lyrium over charged Knight Commander, and defeated Corypheus in combat.

The Warden was champion of the Dwarven provings (two if you were a dwarf warden), defeated Loghain in 1on1 combat, and killed an archdemon (probably the most powerful of any of the endgame bosses), possibly defeated the architect, and the mother.

So far the inquisitor has only really defeated Corypheus and his Dragon (with the help of another dragon).

[In Exile]

Maybe he could've, and maybe Hawke could have aswell. The PCs are all meant to be larger than life badass's, there really is no right or wrong answer when it comes to topics like these because all three have kicked major ass in their resppective games. It really just comes down to who we like the most like Goku vs Superman or Master Chief vs Commander Shepard.

You should note, I did say I belive the Inqusitor is more powerful... Just not more badass.

I'm not sure I understand the difference between the two terms. What makes someone more badass?

I generally found the Warden's feats unimpressive but a lot of that was the lack of reactivity story wise to your feats.

[ashlover mark 2]

I'm not sure I understand the difference between the two terms. What makes someone more badass?

I generally found the Warden's feats unimpressive but a lot of that was the lack of reactivity story wise to your feats.

The Warden faced down and killed more impressive things by the time he was done imo. Inqusitor fought a bunch of demons that both Hawke and the HOF faced before, some crazy mages and templars, Corypheus and dragons.  Even the terror/nightmare demon wasn't killed, just banished and the Inqusitor had to fight its  weaker avatar and had to run when the real thing recovered.

[Lotto]

All this comes down to is head canon.  So basically whoever you want, and since most people prefer the warden, most people will say he's the strongest.

[KaiserShep]

The Warden led a united army of Dwarves, Elves, and Humans with added support of Templars or mages against a Blight level horde of Darkspawn.

The Inquisitor's main bulk of his army comes from either mages or Templars. The rest are just recruits or conscripted Wardens.

Id say the Warden's united army is stronger than the inquisition's.

In terms of personal skill, it's hard to say. Hawke beat the Arishok in 1on1 combat, Orsino's super abomination, and a red lyrium over charged Knight Commander, and defeated Corypheus in combat.

The Warden was champion of the Dwarven provings (two if you were a dwarf warden), defeated Loghain in 1on1 combat, and killed an archdemon (probably the most powerful of any of the endgame bosses), possibly defeated the architect, and the mother.

So far the inquisitor has only really defeated Corypheus and his Dragon (with the help of another dragon).

 

The Warden's united army doesn't exist after the Blight, but the Inquisition's is always there, save for such time that the Inquisition itself disbands, which is not likely anytime soon. On top of this are the various strongholds spread throughout Ferelden and Orlais, ties with tradesmen, merchants and various other connections throughout the the entirety of southern Thedas. But don't forget that the Inquisition also has ties to the Orlesian empire. There's also the potential of having a member of its own ranks being Divine other than Leliana.

[evgenija28]

Warden of course.

You don't need to agree with me on Warden being the strongest (which he obviously is) but you should stop thinking anchor-rift-killing is an at will no counter thing, mostly because you have no official information about it to state such, logic and reasoning are not enough to state anything that's why science relies on experiences. With a fantasy words we can't do experiences to get information, we must wait for official information from the creators. I always do have to say the same about all fantasy stuff (movies, comics, mangas, etc), people use logic like that was possible, as if it was real life, many times authors contradict completely between what they show, the lore they present and official statements.

Warden is the only of the three that is really a warrior, Hawke happened, Inquisitor happened and had the support of a bunch of people from the start, just a spoiled kid.

I agree. For me it goes Warden>Hawke>Inquisitor. Why? Because when you look at it more carefully, Warden did everything with the help of accidental followers (apart from Morrigan and Alistair) Basically you don't need to recruit anyone else. He/She did everything, built the army and alliances with nothing else but zero experience and a Grey Warden ancient treaty. Now Hawke, also built, developed himself/herself to the Champion of Kirkwall with pure skill, brains, and help of the companions that are also optional. None of those two had the power Inquisitor has - a gift of such kind. The Inquisitor didn't get born with it, made it himself/herself, he was just at the right place and the right time. Imagine Warden or Hawke with such power? And let's not forget the help that he/she got from the start - help from some very experienced group of people. It basically comes down to - how much did they actually do on their own, how much of it is their own willpower and determination? Warden all the way guys, Hawke goes to second place for his influence is limited to the city for the time being, and the threat and enemies aren't as in the blight. Inq.is just a baby, maybe not willingly, but he/she recieved the power and help of the experienced group of people, organization from the very start.

[evgenija28]

The Warden's united army doesn't exist after the Blight, but the Inquisition's is always there, save for such time that the Inquisition itself disbands, which is not likely anytime soon. On top of this are the various strongholds spread throughout Ferelden and Orlais, ties with tradesmen, merchants and various other connections throughout the the entirety of southern Thedas. But don't forget that the Inquisition also has ties to the Orlesian empire. There's also the potential of having a member of its own ranks being Divine other than Leliana.

You are now talking about the organization itself, not the Inquisitor. He/She is a person that should be seen as an independent being. Who is more powerful of the three people?