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[evgenija28]

The Warden's united army doesn't exist after the Blight, but the Inquisition's is always there, save for such time that the Inquisition itself disbands, which is not likely anytime soon. On top of this are the various strongholds spread throughout Ferelden and Orlais, ties with tradesmen, merchants and various other connections throughout the the entirety of southern Thedas. But don't forget that the Inquisition also has ties to the Orlesian empire. There's also the potential of having a member of its own ranks being Divine other than Leliana.

You are now talking about the organization itself, not the Inquisitor. He/She is a person that should be seen as an independent being. Who is more powerful of the three of them?

[KaiserShep]

You are now talking about the organization itself, not the Inquisitor. He/She is a person that should be seen as an independent being. Who is more powerful of the three of them?

Of the three protagonists we've had so far, the Inquisitor is the only one with a unique ability that cannot be matched by the others, so the Inquisitor edges out both Hawke and the Warden, especially if the Inquisitor is a Knight Enchanter.

[ashlover mark 2]

Of the three protagonists we've had so far, the Inquisitor is the only one with a unique ability that cannot be matched by the others, so the Inquisitor edges out both Hawke and the Warden, especially if the Inquisitor is a Knight Enchanter.

I agree, I really want to say the HOF because he's just so damn awesome, but that Fade rift  looks really powerful.

[Rawgrim]

Of the three protagonists we've had so far, the Inquisitor is the only one with a unique ability that cannot be matched by the others, so the Inquisitor edges out both Hawke and the Warden, especially if the Inquisitor is a Knight Enchanter.

 

The Warden can dual-wield 2 swords. Neither Hawke or the Inquisitor can do that. That counts as a unique ability too.

[Jackal19851111]

It all depends on how you play the game, for me, the Inquisitor has Orlais, the most powerful kingdom in Thedas under his leash, including Fereldan allies, Qunari allies, and others. Aside from that, he defeated 11 high dragons, jumps in and out of the fade, etc etc.

[evgenija28]

Of the three protagonists we've had so far, the Inquisitor is the only one with a unique ability that cannot be matched by the others, so the Inquisitor edges out both Hawke and the Warden, especially if the Inquisitor is a Knight Enchanter.

But then you are looking more at the gameplay additions, abilities, etc. and not the characters a part from that. Person can be powerful and taken into consideration for every decision, revered, and at the same time be a simple politician, not a warrior.

[ashlover mark 2]

If gameplay doesn't count we can never settle this. It's whoever you want it to be because 95% of the game is gameplay. No major fights play out in cutscenes so we have no way of knowing if the Archdemon is stronger than your average high dragon or how many sword blows it took to kill the Arishok or if the Inqusitors fade rift can be summond at will. It's whoever you want it to be.

[KaiserShep]

The Warden can dual-wield 2 swords. Neither Hawke or the Inquisitor can do that. That counts as a unique ability too.

 

STR-based Zevran can do the same thing That doesn't really come close to the ancient elven magic, though.

 

 

But then you are looking more at the gameplay additions, abilities, etc. and not the characters a part from that. Person can be powerful and taken into consideration for every decision, revered, and at the same time be a simple politician, not a warrior.

 

I'm not really focusing on gameplay here, because mark of the rift or whatever we want to call it, is actually a part of the character unlike the many other abilities you can choose to possess, since whatever Corypheus tried to do at Haven seems to have altered it, and is permanent, then is used to kill him.

[evgenija28]

STR-based Zevran can do the same thing That doesn't really come close to the ancient elven magic, though.

 

 

 

I'm not really focusing on gameplay here, because mark of the rift or whatever we want to call it, is actually a part of the character unlike the many other abilities you can choose to possess, since whatever Corypheus tried to do at Haven seems to have altered it, and is permanent, then is used to kill him.

 

Yeah, I agree, I was writing that comment while eating breakfast   

 

But when you ask me "who is more powerful?" two things come into consideration:

1. Where did they start? With how much experience? Were they just 'hurtled into the chaos' with no or as little of experience in combat and diplomacy? Or were they with a decent amount of experience?

2. Where did they finish? Or, better yet, how much did they develop on their own, with no one backing them up.

 

When I look at these two questions it instantly comes to my mind Warden and Hawke. Warden is with no (Magi origin for example) or little experience (Dwarf Noble, Human noble) at the start. But just depending on their (yours as the player of course, but their) skills, willpower, determination, cunning, etc. did they come to where they are at the end. Warden constantly leads, even Morrigan at the start says I can give you advice, but that's it, Alistair rarely even does that. So, they are there to back Warden up in the fights, but when it comes to crucial choices, Warden makes them all from start to finish. Hawke is pretty much the same for me, he/she really has very little experience, but comes out on top (started from the bottom, now we're here ). In Inquisition Inquisitor is always with much more experience than the Warden (any choice) or Hawke, maybe Trevelyan mage isn't really? But that's it. Others are experienced, at least I see them like that. And the Inquisitor wouldn't become the Inquisitor without the backing up of the advisors, their agents and pure luck to acquire the mark. The Inquisitor is more an image, a title, and you have it from the 20 hours + of the game, Hero of Ferelden and Champion, you have to work haaaaard to be that person. My opinion, anyways   

[KaiserShep]

The leading part was always kind of tricky in these games. In Origins, it flat out falls on the Warden because Alistair just doesn't feel like it, even though he outranks the character right off the bat. I guess it comes with the territory, since the player has to guide the group.

[Dr. Rush]

Yeah, people in this thread are using different metrics and measurements. If you want to go with lore, how many baddies, or what kind of baddies a protagonist has killed, then go ahead. But if you look at actual health points, mana points, damage and defense, no one will ever be more powerful than a full completionist playthrough of the Warden, from DAO-Witch Hunt. I don't think you can get much higher than level 25 in DAI or DA2, while I think you can get up to like 33ish by Witch Hunt.

 

On top of that, neither DA2 or DAI have allowed for the kind of disco-ball min/maxing that DAO did. In DAO, you could use the right build, skills and gear, and effectively have an unlimited supply of mana, which you would use to fuel over a dozen offensive and defensive buffs, making you invincible and incredibly lethal. If you want to talk about just the solo characters with no factions or no companions, there is no way anyone is coming close to the kind of stats, skills and gear that the warden has. 

 

If you are going to argue over lore though, there will never be a right answer because that just is a matter of preference with no objectively right answer. 

[Machina Obscura]

There is no right answer because there just isn't, in terms of personal combat. Too many variables/classes/races/game mechanics.

 

If power in lore, then its clearly Inquisitor, Warden, Hawke, if there is no blight on at the moment.

 

That said, my head cannon is for my Hawke to be the best personal combatant in Thedas, my Warden to be the biggest badass in Thedas, and my Inquisitor to be the most powerful person in Thedas.

[In Exile]

I propose we rename this topic "Which DA game you like more?" since that's basically the question.

[Machina Obscura]

I propose we rename this topic "Which DA game you like more?" since that's basically the question.

I can see your point, except for me I liked DAI and DAO quite a bit more than DA2, and I picked Hawke as best personal combatant. Then again i'm not on the "team" of one game over another so I suspect you are right for most.

[In Exile]

I can see your point, except for me I liked DAI and DAO quite a bit more than DA2, and I picked Hawke as best personal combatant. Then again i'm not on the "team" of one game over another so I suspect you are right for most.

You're right. It's closer to which character do you like more.

[leaguer of one]

The Warden faced down and killed more impressive things by the time he was done imo. Inqusitor fought a bunch of demons that both Hawke and the HOF faced before, some crazy mages and templars, Corypheus and dragons.  Even the terror/nightmare demon wasn't killed, just banished and the Inqusitor had to fight its  weaker avatar and had to run when the real thing recovered.

Bs. The worst thing to face in thedus is the havester and both hawke and hte warden faced that. And that was before the nightmare demon that's even worse then that.

Sorry, but you can't say the warden faced worse.

[ashlover mark 2]

Bs. The worst thing to face in thedus is the havester and both hawke and hte warden faced that. And that was before the nightmare demon that's even worse then that.

Sorry, but you can't say the warden faced worse.

Wow so the Archdemon is less terrifying then a fat bloated corpse now? Archdemon> terror demon that the Inqusitor ran away from.

[KaiserShep]

The archdemon isn't worse than the nightmare demon. The archdemon's major threat is its command over the darkspawn. Without that, it's just a dang buck-toof dragon that can body surf.

[ashlover mark 2]

The nightmare demon is a lackey of Corypheus. If it was truly the most badass monster in all of Thedas it  would try to take over it self instead of playing second fiddle .  It even refers to Corypheus as a god as if it revers him.

[KaiserShep]

This is assuming that the demon was actually a slave to Corypheus, and not a willing participant. Anyone with sufficient power and willing to strike fear into everybody and their dog is probably going to strike its fancy.

[Starwingz]

Inquisitor doesn't have murder knife and is therefore weakest.

[KaiserShep]

Inquisitor doesn't have murder knife and is therefore weakest.

Mine does, but she had to craft the damn thing herself. I guess the store the Warden and Hawke bought theirs went out of business.

[KaiserShep]

You're right. It's closer to which character do you like more.

 

If I created 2 more copies of myself, and we played against each other with a character from each game a piece, would we be stuck in combat forever?

[ashlover mark 2]

Even if the demon is not a slave it's still a lackey though. It's useing its own power to make someone else more powerful. It's no different than Erimond or Florianne, it's  helping Corypheus to get his scraps.

[Scarlet Rabbi]

In terms of raw power, probably a blood mage Hawke. I don't see the Warden or the Inquisitor beating the Arishok in single combat.