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Who's more powerful? The Warden, Hawke or the Inquisitor?


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In terms of raw power, probably a blood mage Hawke. I don't see the Warden or the Inquisitor beating the Arishok in single combat. 

The Arishok? Really? If the the archdemon is just an average high dragon with darkspawn taint, the Arishok is just a buff high ranking general in an army.



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The nightmare demon is a lackey of Corypheus. If it was truly the most badass monster in all of Thedas it  would try to take over it self instead of playing second fiddle .  It even refers to Corypheus as a god as if it revers him.

 

The nightmare no the nightmare demon is the most powerful thing in the fade short of the maker returning and it is using Corphyeus do exactly what it wants, spread terror which feeds it making it even more powerful. It is a demon has been feeding on the nightmares of Thadas since the first blight if not since the dawn of dreams and makes its home on the outskirts of the black city where even other demons are afraid to go.

 

Its pointedly the only thing in the series that you can't kill even temporally and have to run away from which should say something in a setting where even arch-demons and gods can be slain.



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The nightmare demon is a lackey of Corypheus. If it was truly the most badass monster in all of Thedas it would try to take over it self instead of playing second fiddle . It even refers to Corypheus as a god as if it revers him.


It's trolling you. The nightmare demon gets off on terror. It's working with Cory because it gets to feed.
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Biowares is probably just saveing its death for DA4 or DA5. When its finally gone everyone will say it was just another demon.  



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If it really does show up in a future game it will either be to remind you that no matter how powerful you get there is always a bigger fish or it will the end boss.



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Hm, let me think a bit..

1) Judging by the amount of killed dragons:

Warden - 3, Archdemon including
Hawke - 1, just 1
Inquisitor - 10 + 1 corrupted by Corypheus

Well, Inq seems to be greatly powerful at killing dragons. At least in direct competition with Hawke, Warden may just like "quality over quanity" way of things.

2) Jusdging by deeds

Warden - ended fifth blight, one of five people that have ever accomplished so. Also did it faster than any of them.
Hawke - formally started an international ciwil war, bring the plague of Red Lyrium to the world and beat Arishok in 1 on 1 combat
Inquisitor - killed an Ancient Magister who once started all Blights and threatened to bring never ending chaos to Thedas. Also bring an end to an international ciwil war.

Once again, Inq won the competition.

3) Now let's take a look at the pretenders themselves. Their social ranks are quite high:

Warden - Warden Commander, very powerfull figure amongst Grey Warden order though not the leader of it.
Hawke - Champion of Kirkwall, the protector and warden of one city. Not most rich city neither most powerfull.
Inquisitor - Leader of the Inquisiton which military and political strength could put to shame the entire empires. Status of the Holy and Saint organization gives some extremly unique possibilitys. You just can't deny them whoever you be.

Inq won! Surprising, isn't it?

4) And finally, let's see who they are without all the social statuses:

Warden - a Grey Warden who survived ritual. He can sense darkspawn and good at killing them. Also can kill Archdemon, like any other Grey Warden. Well, thats it - he one of tousands wardens.
Hawke - Just a random dude, nothing really special about him. Skillfull warrior and thats it.
Inquisitor - have an ability to enter the Fade physically anywhere anytime. Can also use Orb of Destruction's magic to manipulate the Fade for his own benefit.

Inq. Yeah, he won again.

Don't feel that bad, he was just designed to be "The Most Powerful Dude in whole Thedas". I'm sure next DA will bring us even more badass character, so...
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Warden all the way.  My dalish Warden can never be eclipsed!!!!! While it is mostly sentiment...I do have one thing to say..

 

My Warden used Persuasion to change minds and hearts, to solve many problems without bloodshed..

 

Hawke blows things ups with magic and Inquisitor Smashes....

 

Warden is best!!!!


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The Arishok? Really? If the the archdemon is just an average high dragon with darkspawn taint, the Arishok is just a buff high ranking general in an army.


Yeah, but the Warden had help. Lots of it, in fact. As did the Inquisitor. Neither one fought a single more powerful enemy one-on-one out of the three than Hawke.

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Yeah, but the Warden had help. Lots of it, in fact. As did the Inquisitor. Neither one fought a single more powerful enemy one-on-one out of the three than Hawke.

 

The Warden fought solo through at least 1 (possibly 2) Dwarven Proving tournaments.  Meaning he fought several of the best warriors in Orzimmar and won.  He also could have chosen to fight Loghain 1on1.


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In terms of personal badassery, an argument can be made for the Inquisitor: she killed an archdemon-like dragon *and* an ancient semi-ascended magister, in one battle. The Warden or Hawke managed to do only one of those.

 

In terms of believable leadership, the Inquisitor tops everyone else anyway.

Nope the warden can kill even the Architect wich is very similar to Corypheus and dont forget that he/she have defeated  Mythal and Urthemiel the HoF is a god killer.

But i belive that this topic is usless we cannot compare the three of them, because the comparision is based on how much contenent the developers have introduced in the three games, Obviously Hawke adventure   is less epic than the others two.

But The warden and Hawke story is done,  while DAI is still in his early stage they can introduce more enemies for the inquisitor even more powerful than Corypheus and of the Archedemon. 

To me the Inquisitor won there are many wardens out there, but ther can only be 1 Inquisitor and one anchor and he can also drink from the well.



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Similar, but the Warden does not have the power to actually defeat Corypheus, since the orb had to be neutralized too, which no one other than the Inquisitor with the mark can do. There's also the Warden's darkspawn taint that leaves all Wardens vulnerable.


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Similar, but the Warden does not have the power to actually defeat Corypheus, since the orb had to be neutralized too, which no one other than the Inquisitor with the mark can do. There's also the Warden's darkspawn taint that leaves all Wardens vulnerable.

True he/she will become a new host for Corypheus the taint will be only is curse.


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It would've been pretty horrible to see our Warden burst and see Corypheus rise from his/her remains. Gorram darkspawn.



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Hm, let me think a bit..1) Judging by the amount of killed dragons:Warden - 3, Archdemon includingHawke - 1, just 1Inquisitor - 10 + 1 corrupted by CorypheusWell, Inq seems to be greatly powerful at killing dragons. At least in direct competition with Hawke, Warden may just like "quality over quanity" way of things.2) Jusdging by deedsWarden - ended fifth blight, one of five people that have ever accomplished so. Also did it faster than any of them.Hawke - formally started an international ciwil war, bring the plague of Red Lyrium to the world and beat Arishok in 1 on 1 combatInquisitor - killed an Ancient Magister who once started all Blights and threatened to bring never ending chaos to Thedas. Also bring an end to an international ciwil war.Once again, Inq won the competition.3) Now let's take a look at the pretenders themselves. Their social ranks are quite high:Warden - Warden Commander, very powerfull figure amongst Grey Warden order though not the leader of it.Hawke - Champion of Kirkwall, the protector and warden of one city. Not most rich city neither most powerfull.Inquisitor - Leader of the Inquisiton which military and political strength could put to shame the entire empires. Status of the Holy and Saint organization gives some extremly unique possibilitys. You just can't deny them whoever you be.Inq won! Surprising, isn't it?4) And finally, let's see who they are without all the social statuses:Warden - a Grey Warden who survived ritual. He can sense darkspawn and good at killing them. Also can kill Archdemon, like any other Grey Warden. Well, thats it - he one of tousands wardens.Hawke - Just a random dude, nothing really special about him. Skillfull warrior and thats it.Inquisitor - have an ability to enter the Fade physically anywhere anytime. Can also use Orb of Destruction's magic to manipulate the Fade for his own benefit.Inq. Yeah, he won again.Don't feel that bad, he was just designed to be "The Most Powerful Dude in whole Thedas". I'm sure next DA will bring us even more badass character, so...


...where to starts...

1) Maybe because there are more dragons in DAI? Put 100 dragons in DAO and DA2 and Warden and Hawke will kill those 100 compare to Quizzy's 10. Beside, 1000 Cuts, -cough-

2) Using the Mark to killed Cory is kinda cheap considering that the Mark doesn't contribute to how skillful Quizzy is. I mean Hawke killed Cory in Legacy, give him/her the Mark and Hawke can do the same. Beside, Cory is nothing more but a puppet for whatever cooking for future games. Warden also ended a Civil War. Hawke stopped a Qunari Invasion.

3) I guess social status counts...then again Warden and Hawke actually worked for their title of HoF and Champion, whereas the Inquisitor is named Herald because of your glowy hand. Also, Cass said that their first candidate for the role of the Inquisitor is the Warden, followed by Hawke.

4) Again, by using the Mark. Without the Mark, the Inquisitor is just an average guy/gal. The Wardens is skilled, which is why s/he was recruited. Hawke, well, I guess surviving 7 years in Kirkwall counts as something.

So basically, almost everything Inquisitor has over Warden and Hawke, according to you, can be answered by the Mark.
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...where to starts...

1) Maybe because there are more dragons in DAI? Put 100 dragons in DAO and DA2 and Warden and Hawke will kill those 100 compare to Quizzy's 10. Beside, 1000 Cuts, -cough-

2) Using the Mark to killed Cory is kinda cheap considering that the Mark doesn't contribute to how skillful Quizzy is. I mean Hawke killed Cory in Legacy, give him/her the Mark and Hawke can do the same. Beside, Cory is nothing more but a puppet for whatever cooking for future games. Warden also ended a Civil War. Hawke stopped a Qunari Invasion.

3) I guess social status counts...then again Warden and Hawke actually worked for their title of HoF and Champion, whereas the Inquisitor is named Herald because of your glowy hand. Also, Cass said that their first candidate for the role of the Inquisitor is the Warden, followed by Hawke.

4) Again, by using the Mark. Without the Mark, the Inquisitor is just an average guy/gal. The Wardens is skilled, which is why s/he was recruited. Hawke, well, I guess surviving 7 years in Kirkwall counts as something.

So basically, almost everything Inquisitor has over Warden and Hawke, according to you, can be answered by the Mark.

i would not say that. Remember, the inquistor has faced worse. Also the mark can boost other abilities. Added, hawk killed Cory at his weakest and most confuse, the inquisitor killed when he was his most powerful.



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So basically, almost everything Inquisitor has over Warden and Hawke, according to you, can be answered by the Mark.

Yep, it is. But we have to remember that Mark is an unsplittable part of Inquisitor now. After all, it's Warden vs Champion of Kirkwall vs Inquisitor competition. If we would have been comparing Amell vs Hawke the Refugee vs Cadash then the future Inquisitor would have been less powerful.

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The Inquisitor wins IMO. The warden can be replaced with Alistair or even Loghain if we're talking about killing (or deliver the killing blow to ) the Archdemon. Without Flemeth, the Warden and Hawke would have died due to some lame darkspawns :P. Without Flemeth's help, Inq will probably find some way to kill Coryfish's dragon anyway since he(she) himself has to kill it ( which still has 50% hp left ) at the end.



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...where to starts...

1) Maybe because there are more dragons in DAI? Put 100 dragons in DAO and DA2 and Warden and Hawke will kill those 100 compare to Quizzy's 10. Beside, 1000 Cuts, -cough-

2) Using the Mark to killed Cory is kinda cheap considering that the Mark doesn't contribute to how skillful Quizzy is. I mean Hawke killed Cory in Legacy, give him/her the Mark and Hawke can do the same. Beside, Cory is nothing more but a puppet for whatever cooking for future games. Warden also ended a Civil War. Hawke stopped a Qunari Invasion.

3) I guess social status counts...then again Warden and Hawke actually worked for their title of HoF and Champion, whereas the Inquisitor is named Herald because of your glowy hand. Also, Cass said that their first candidate for the role of the Inquisitor is the Warden, followed by Hawke.

4) Again, by using the Mark. Without the Mark, the Inquisitor is just an average guy/gal. The Wardens is skilled, which is why s/he was recruited. Hawke, well, I guess surviving 7 years in Kirkwall counts as something.

So basically, almost everything Inquisitor has over Warden and Hawke, according to you, can be answered by the Mark.

 

2) It doesn't matter who could do what with the mark if they had it, because in the end, they still don't. As far as skill is concerned, the Inquisitor is still highly skilled at killing things anyway, just with some ancient magical augmentation.

 

3) This isn't really fair, because you're comparing the unofficial title given to the character at the start of the story to the titles the other characters get at the end or later point in theirs. The Herald did quite a lot of work to get to the role of Inquisitor.

 

4) I don't get this. The Inquisitor is by no means average in terms of fighting skill. S/he basically battles through the rebel mages, the Templar rogues, legions of red Templars or Venatori and plenty of demons before even possessing the ability to actually disintegrate enemies with this mark.

 

The Warden was not recruited simply because of any skill, but also because Duncan was taking advantage of the Warden's situation. For the human noble, Duncan may force you to go since his other consideration, Ser Gilmore, is either busy fighting Howe's men or already dead, so it was clearly not skill alone that got the Warden the position.



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we can't really compare those 3 without comparing those 3's companion, because let's be honest, they won't be able to do almost all those things they've done without their companion's help. because from what I've read, all you guys use as comparison is what they've done. so let's compare the companions and/or armies first (assuming you recruit them all):

 

DAO (The Warden)

  • a witch mentored by an arguably God
  • an almost templar without lyrium to augment his abilities and without a resolve
  • a failed skilled bard who chose to stay at the chantry for 2 years
  • a sole survivior of Qunari Beresaad from a Darkspawn's ambush
  • a high member of Ferelden Circle's mage and a medium of a Faith Spirit
  • a failed skilled antivan's crow assassin
  • one of the best, but depressed Orzammar's Warrior
  • a minimized Golem
  • a skilled hunter
  • a Justice Spirit who take a dead body
  • a member of the Legion of the Dead
  • an exiled first of a Dalish clan
  • a circle's healer who likes to joke around
  • Ferelden's Templars/Mages
  • Dwarven's armies (and possibly a Legion of Golems)
  • a Dalish's hunters or packs of Werewolves
  • Ferelden's Grey Wardens and armies

DA2 (Hawke)

  • a Guard-Captain of Kirkwall
  • a skilled dwarf with an overpowered crossbow at his arms
  • a spoiled brother/sister with lack of fighting talent comparing to others
  • a combination between a healer and Justice/Vengeance spirit/demon
  • an exiled first of a Dalish clan
  • a pirate's Captain
  • a prince with skilled bow
  • a skilled elf warrior with lyrium's mark
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DAI (The Inquisitor)

  • Right Hand of the Divine, Hero of Orlais, and a member of Seekers of the Truth
  • a skilled dwarf with an overpowered crossbow at his arms
  • a weakened elven God
  • a well-regarded member of Ben-hassrath and his mercenary company/all other Ben-hassrath across Orlais and Ferelden
  • a former captain of Orlesian armies
  • a member of Friends of Red Jennies who good with her bow and all other members of Friends of Red Jennies
  • a Tevinter atlus
  • a first enchanter of Montsimmard and her follower
  • a Compassion spirit who good at killing people
  • what's left of Southern's Templars/Mages 
  • Orlesian's armies
  • (possibly) what's left of Southern's Grey Wardens

While I agree that all the Inquisitor (and his companions and armies) have done is so much more impressive that the other two,but I think it's unfair to compare what's those 3 have done as comparison because Hawke will be at most disadvantage while the Inquisitor has the most advantage.

So how about we agree that one is as awesome and badass as the other two?

because those three essentially are all of us :)


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While I agree that all the Inquisitor (and his companions and armies) have done is so much more impressive that the other two,but I think it's unfair to compare what's those 3 have done as comparison because Hawke will be at most disadvantage while the Inquisitor has the most advantage.

So how about we agree that one is as awesome and badass as the other two?

because those three essentially are all of us :)

 

While everyone else's fearsome threesome is battling on a mountain top, mine would just be sitting in a tavern, joking about war stories while chugging all the free ale they earned.



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There is no right answer because there just isn't, in terms of personal combat. Too many variables/classes/races/game mechanics.

 

If power in lore, then its clearly Inquisitor, Warden, Hawke, if there is no blight on at the moment.

 

That said, my head cannon is for my Hawke to be the best personal combatant in Thedas, my Warden to be the biggest badass in Thedas, and my Inquisitor to be the most powerful person in Thedas.

 The most powerful person in thedas in term of personal power and also as a leader of an organization is the Black Divine, only the maker know what kind of forbbiden magic know that devil,.



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While everyone else's fearsome threesome is battling on a mountain top, mine would just be sitting in a tavern, joking about war stories while chugging all the free ale they earned

 

mine would be inviting all of their companion and have a party at the Hanged Man.

Those three would be comparing each other's girlfriend (Morrigan, Isabela, and Cassandra); Morrigan would be at home, taking care of Kieran; Sten (now Arishok) will still be called "softie" by Leliana; The Iron Bull, Oghren, Blackwall, and Nathaniel will be having a drink contest; Isabela, Sera, and Sighrun would be put up some prank for all of them; Zevran would be trying to score with anyone; Aveline, Sebastian, and Cassandra would be shaking their head worrying about all these mess they're causing; Merril and Vellana would be sharing elven's stories; Varric would be teaching Cole and Carver how to drink; Dorian and (King) Alistair would be having a friendly discussion about Tevinter and Ferelden; Shale would (still) be complaining all the time; Anders/Justice and Wynne are dead, Solas is gone; Vivienne doesn't even want to come to such filthy place.  :D



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...where to starts...

1) Maybe because there are more dragons in DAI? Put 100 dragons in DAO and DA2 and Warden and Hawke will kill those 100 compare to Quizzy's 10. Beside, 1000 Cuts, -cough-

2) Using the Mark to killed Cory is kinda cheap considering that the Mark doesn't contribute to how skillful Quizzy is. I mean Hawke killed Cory in Legacy, give him/her the Mark and Hawke can do the same. Beside, Cory is nothing more but a puppet for whatever cooking for future games. Warden also ended a Civil War. Hawke stopped a Qunari Invasion.

3) I guess social status counts...then again Warden and Hawke actually worked for their title of HoF and Champion, whereas the Inquisitor is named Herald because of your glowy hand. Also, Cass said that their first candidate for the role of the Inquisitor is the Warden, followed by Hawke.

4) Again, by using the Mark. Without the Mark, the Inquisitor is just an average guy/gal. The Wardens is skilled, which is why s/he was recruited. Hawke, well, I guess surviving 7 years in Kirkwall counts as something.

So basically, almost everything Inquisitor has over Warden and Hawke, according to you, can be answered by the Mark.

^This :D



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Politically speaking the Inquisitor is most powerful.
In terms of personal skill, no matter what their achievements or the enemies they defeated (because all three had help), the Warden tops the three because he had the taint which is known to make the wardens stronger, faster and more resistant than ordinary people. Hawke and Inquisitor are regular people.
Of course if you count the anchor then it is more complicated because depending on how often the inquisitor can use it and with how much effect it might well make them the most powerful being in Thedas. With the current restrictions as portrayed in the game I'd say inquisitor with anchor and warden are equal and hawke comes second.
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The Warden was not recruited simply because of any skill, but also because Duncan was taking advantage of the Warden's situation. For the human noble, Duncan may force you to go since his other consideration, Ser Gilmore, is either busy fighting Howe's men or already dead, so it was clearly not skill alone that got the Warden the position.

Actually, Duncan suggests (before the fighting begins) that you (the Warden) would be an equal alternative (or something to that effect) when he is introduced in the main hall.

In fact...I seem to recall some mention (I don't remember where) of rumors that Duncan's original objective in Highever was to recruit you and not Ser Gilmore.  Or maybe he flat out tells you...it's been so long since I played human noble...

Even if that second part is something I imagined (it could be), the first is still true.  In every Origin, he compliments your skill in whatever your specific Origin conflict was.  The only true place it can be said he didn't recruit for skill would be the Dalish Origin.  He does say something about how you fight darkspawn, but I always got the feeling that my Dalish wardens were conscripted out of sympathy (to save your life.)