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[Jestina]

The problem is that the writing style of DA II and DA:I tends to either trivialize or completely negates the accomplishments of the Warden.

[Han Shot First]

 

The Hero of Fereldan has only two very STRONG allies: King Alistair (and Anora) and the Grey Wardens. However, the Wardens are decimated thanks to Corypheous. 

 

 

The Wardens are only decimated in Orlais. It was only the Orlesian Wardens that got the false calling. It's why the Hero of Ferlden, King Alistair, and Warden Bethany/Carver are fine.

 

The Hero of Ferelden has had 10 years to build up the Ferelden chapter of Wardens. There could potentially be as many as there was in Orlais (pre-Corypheus) now. And beyond Ferelden you have other chapters of Wardens in the Free Marches, Nevarra, Antiva, the Anderfels, ect.

[Kmaru]

I would say the warden without a blink.

 

I played the whole 3 as a mage.

 

The warden spells were by far more powerful, exciting, destructive.

Hawke in the second position he mastered more spells than the inquisitor, less than the warden.

The inquisitor is compared to the warden a child learning how to fight.

 

For exemple the warden was able to summun a sword/or an axe for hours, while the inquisitor is able to do that just for a second.

The most powerful fire spell the inquisitor is able to do is a wall of fire, while in the other hand the warden could summon a fire storm.

The warden mastered metamorphosis like Morrigan, the inquisitor nothing.

 

Hawke does Master all the 4 elements including earth, while the inquisitor could only summon 3 out of 4 elements.

 

Speaking of the warden as rogue his/her attacks were more deadly and more spectacular.

 

And no way, how can we compare the archidemon and army of the dead to Corypheus? Seriously?

 

 

If we look at something else.

Back then Morrigan, The warden, Allistair, Leliana were more like newbies. They fought without any helps, gold, horses, nobles, kings, castles, whatever the inquisitor did. They had nobody on their side and they were just adventurers.

 

Definately the Inquisitor is at the bottom of the list, No matter if he is a mage/rogue/warrior.

[Helios969]

I'm gonna do it like this which is largely based on my gameplay experience of each class across each game:

 

Warden warrior (dual-wield) > warrior-Hawke/Inquisitor.

 

Rogue-Hawke (dual) > rogue-Warden/Inquisitor (archer might have to give to Inquisitor though)

 

Mage-Inquisitor > mage-Warden/Hawke

 

Thus imho,

 

Rogue-Hawke (dual) > mage-Inquisitor > warrior-Warden

[katokires]

The Warden smack downed Flemeth. All the other characters just bow to her and kiss her old, wrinkly behind.

In my case, as early as level 7.

Try this one Inquisitor

 

But the thing in this topic is defining what kind of strength. Gameplaywise Warden wins because you are a god by the end of Awakening. Arcane Warrior >>>> Knight Enchanter

 

By feats, well, AFAIK, Corypheus WORSHIPS Archdemons, you know, that little worm the Warden crushed.

 

Unless people somehow think that Corypheus managed to become more powerful than the beings he worshiped and explain me why/how is that I can't see the Inquisitor being stronger than the Warden (plaus Flemeth thing, and level 35, and well, in game, in lore, everything points me to the Warden)

 

But you know? Special effects... People see green laser and go all QUIZZI IS DA BEST NO CONTEST... how?

 

About Hawke... well... in a "Street Fighter" duel, 1 x 1, in an arena, Hawke is probably the one to go. If Qunaris (see Iron Bull) are into killing dragons, and the dude (Arishok) was the strongest, and you 1x1'd him into death, well, you are a force of nature, you're like the Hulk. I'm pretty sure that being bullcharged by the Arishok equals being hit by a truck at 200 mph

[Farangbaa]

Solas

[JadeDragon]

Lore-wise: A warden who didnt die killing the archdemon seems to be the most well rounded and powerful. Being able to learn 3 with a possible 4 specilizations and the power of blood makes a warden of any class impressive. And all possible heroic feats include but are not limited to: Slaying 5 dragons(2 high dragons, 1 specetral dragon, flemeth and the archdemon), Golems( Inferno and Runic), werewolves(blighted also), Sylvans, a ancient magister(The Architect), Broodmothers including The Mother, a armored orgre and intelligent hurlocks, forbidden one(Gaxkang),a vaterral and a harvester. Dueling one on one with the hero of River Dane shows he can fight without help and he showed command of his forces during the archdemon fight so he has shown commanding abilities as well and can possibly be a king. LI can possibly be a King if female, A witch with dragon shapeshifting with male, or divine for either. Can possibly craft vigilance one of the strongest swords lore wise crafting during the dragon age.

 

Hawke while not having any special abilities he can get a primeval rune made increasing attack speed. Can master two specialzations and aquire Hawke's Key a powerful weapon with custom upgrades. Their possible feats include: Slaying 2 high dragon(Malvernis spectral dragon form), ancient rock wraith, Wvyerns, Gate Guardians, A Red Templar knight commander as well as Kirkwalls Templars who were one of the strongest of the orders, a ancient magister(Cory), forbidden one(Xebenkeck), a vaterral and harvester. As well as a one on one duel with the arishok and stop a pesudo qunari invasion of a city, can possible becoming viscount of a city or a figure head for a revolution. LI possibly are a Prince(King), Admiral of most powerful human navy, or a near immortal abomination.

 

The Inquisitor has the anchor giving them the best unique power of the 3 but until we see them have more control of it(enter and exit any part of the fade at will) and open more then one rift without the taking time to restore power it has its limits were power of blood is only limited to the wardens health. So far only 1 specilzation mastered. Feats possible so far cause no DLC yet include: 11 high dragons slain with only 1 being unique and not at full health, a ancient magister (Cory), forbidden one (Imshael), Red lyrium Behemoth, Giants, and wyverns also. Has a massive army by the end of the game and leads a powerful origanzation. Skyhold fortress is better then The Wardens due to location and history. Doesnt show commanding skills like the warden though, inquisitor plays more so a figure head role not controlling there armies. But has shown master of the game and politics more so then the warden. Has defeated Orleasin Wardens at there fortress and Cory's Army. But hasnt had a chance to prove themselves one on one story wise. Ll can possibly be the Divine or Solas. These are all pre DLC.

 

While all 3 have impressive feats The HoF has set a high bar for any hero. Hawke has won a bigger one on one duel and Inquisitor has a bigger army. But The Warden has won a one on one duel and commanded his army to some degree. The fact you can end the game with 4 specilizations is impressive enough. The Warden is a well rounded veteren at this point still going on quest so I would say The Warden>Inquisitor(anchor unused)>Hawke>Inquisitor(anchor used). Until the DLCs are out for the Inquisitor to show us more other then the anchor The Warden is the most powerful.

[Yulia]

well IMO of who's a better fighter, it would be my duel wielding rogue Warden. I think The inquisitor has more power influencing others politically. I like all three so it's kind of hard to pick! why would you ask such a thing!? i'll still pick my warden as she is my first character.

[Cha0sEff3ct]

Ummm, the Inquisitor can send you to the Maker(well his empty city) with spirit fingers or a slide of hand. Can't really beat that. lol

[KaiserShep]

I would say the warden without a blink.
 
I played the whole 3 as a mage.
 
The warden spells were by far more powerful, exciting, destructive.
Hawke in the second position he mastered more spells than the inquisitor, less than the warden.
The inquisitor is compared to the warden a child learning how to fight.
 
For exemple the warden was able to summun a sword/or an axe for hours, while the inquisitor is able to do that just for a second.
The most powerful fire spell the inquisitor is able to do is a wall of fire, while in the other hand the warden could summon a fire storm.
The warden mastered metamorphosis like Morrigan, the inquisitor nothing.
 
Hawke does Master all the 4 elements including earth, while the inquisitor could only summon 3 out of 4 elements.
 
Speaking of the warden as rogue his/her attacks were more deadly and more spectacular.
 
And no way, how can we compare the archidemon and army of the dead to Corypheus? Seriously?
 
 
If we look at something else.
Back then Morrigan, The warden, Allistair, Leliana were more like newbies. They fought without any helps, gold, horses, nobles, kings, castles, whatever the inquisitor did. They had nobody on their side and they were just adventurers.
 
Definately the Inquisitor is at the bottom of the list, No matter if he is a mage/rogue/warrior.

The archdemon itself is nothing special, insofar that it's just another dragon that spits spirit energy. The only thing stopping Hawke or the Inquisitor from killing it is the lack of Warden corruption.

Anyway, the KE Inquisitor can spam spirit blade practically forever and is immune to damage while it's striking. Also, this mage is vastly more mobile and can zip right up to an enemy with fade step and beat foes like they owe money. Really, the Knight-Enchanter is very much the vanguard of DA.

[ThreeF]

The archdemon itself is nothing special, insofar that it's just another dragon that spits spirit energy. The only thing stopping Hawke or the Inquisitor from killing it is the lack of Warden corruption.

Anyway, the KE Inquisitor can spam spirit blade practically forever and is immune to damage while it's striking. Also, this mage is vastly more mobile and can zip right up to an enemy with fade step and beat foes like they owe money. Really, the Knight-Enchanter is very much the vanguard of DA.

 

Theoretically Inquisitor can also send the archdemon to fade (not entirely sure what the exact result of that will be, though)

[Sidney]

Warden Mage > Inquisitor Mage .... Mana Clash. End of story. Even the most broken class (KE) has to bow to the most broken spell.

 

For raw killing power, Dual Wield Assassin/Duelist spec Hawke might be the most dangerous thing I've played in all three games with MoD, Vendetta and Assasinate. I've seen blenders less effective than him.

[Kmaru]

@ KaiserShep i do think if u are playing a warrior, The inquisitor may seems powerfull. I have to admit that before Inquisition, i never had the chance or feel the necesity or attraction playing as a warrior. Yes the combination of his/her specialities and the power of the anchor, is extraordinary. But the warden has more possibilities combination power control on the batterfield as a mage, plus the ability of healing his allies. Even as an archer the warden is by far on the top, if u remember well he was able to summon beast. Bioware transformed that habilities for Leliana with the crows, she is controlling and that not so ugly bird/abomination.

 

I'm just speaking in matter of gameplay not ennemies, even if i agree at 200% with JadeDragon. The number of quality/powerful ennemies/monsters the warden defeated   just memorable.

 

I loved playing the inquisitor, but i was definetly not wowed or impressed. I felt even a little bit sorry about the lack of diversity of his power and powerful ennemies. The behemoth was impressive the first time, and two of the 10 dragons i had to slay. 

 

I'm even not talking about hawke anymore 

The inquisitor had an army to help him clean the ground/field before his arrival, while the warden had to do it all by himself and a bunch of friends.

 

The anchor is more of an accident, a free power up! Not something the inquisitor has to master with pain, sweat and blood. 

[turuzzusapatuttu]

The Warden. And you know why? Bevause he didn't say a single fuc***** world and still managed to recruite allies to save a single nation. Gee, at least he wasn't forced to say stupid lines.

[Cha0sEff3ct]

The Warden. And you know why? Bevause he didn't say a single fuc***** world and still managed to recruite allies to save a single nation. Gee, at least he wasn't forced to say stupid lines.

The inquisitor saves half of Thedas though. Also the Warden and Hawke were heavily influenced behind the scenes by Flemeth to achieve what they needed to do and be where they needed to be. Flemeth didn't seem to play a role in the inquisitor's path at all save for finally figuring out where Morrigan had been hiding.

[MisterJB]

Politically, the Inquisitor.

Physically, the Warden.

[Web2nr]

Warden > Inquisitor >>>> Hawke

I can only speak for my characters. My Hawke wouldn't be a challenge for neither my Inquisitor nor my Warden. My Inquisitor is a powerhouse that relies on her raw power for victory, so my Warden would've matched her power, and defeated her with skill and experience.

As for dealing with the Anchor, I'm going to say that my Warden's armor would've kept any of its attacks from being fatal. Seriously, the armor and weapons equipped on my Warden put everything in the other two games to shame. My Inquisitor is wearing scrapes in comparison. I imagine that my Warden would just chop off my Inquisitor's arm if she uses it.

[Ash Wind]

Warden > Inquisitor >>>> Hawke

I'll can only speak for my characters. My Hawke wouldn't be a challenge for neither my Inquisitor not my Warden. My Inquisitor is a powerhouse that relies on her raw power for victory, so my Warden would've matched her power, and defeated her with skill and experience.

As for dealing with the Anchor, I'm going to say that my Warden's armor would've kept any of its attack from being fatal. Seriously, the armor and weapons equipped on my Warden put everything in the other two games to shame. My Inquisitor is wearing scrapes in comparison. I imagine that my Warden would just chop off my Inquisitor's arm if she uses it.

My DW Warrior Warden would have performed a glorious decapitating death blow while the IQ tried to jump start his/her anchor... and to add insult, he would have chopped off IQ's hand, taking the Anchor from his/her dead body. Warden>IQ>Hawke>Pac-Man. 

[BAC PARTY CITY]

Inquisitor would stomp the Warden.

 

 

Hawke is a skilled archer so he always has a chance if he connects from distance, plus he is resourceful. 

[Qunquistador]

I suppose it all depends on how you played each game. But as quiz you have global power that the others don't. If you make certain choices you could be the shadow ruler of Orlais with the Imperial army at your disposal. You could have the Qunari as respected allies. You could have the templar order as your own personal army if you conscripted them. And, of course, you have your own massive non-templar military force if you focused on that. You can also have allies in Tevinter if you helped them defend their borders. The divine is a staunch ally as well, depending on your relationship. Add to that nobility around Thedas will lend you a spare trebuchet or whatever you need since you're politically very well connected and well received at court. Andrastian commoners all but worship you as a religious idol and wouldn't support anyone who goes against you. 

 

The inquisitor reaches a point where they shouldn't or wouldn't physically have to fight anyone to take them down. They can call the shots from the war room. And it only makes sense that the inquisitor's power and control of their anchor is in its infancy. Solas was the first to say that it would get more powerful. 

 

Think of it this way, who would you rather have as an enemy, all things considered?

[sch1986]

In terms of straight up power: I have to say the inquisitor (at least in my playthroughs)

She runs Orlais by way of poor stupid puppet Celene, because Celene is too busy waiting for Gaspard or Briala to move in on her since they have to work together.

Plus they have the mark of the rift.

Armies to command, a spy network at their disposal, and all of the nobles in Thedas eating out of my hand. Plus there is the possibility of being BFFs with the divine.

In terms of Ass kicking: it will always be Hawke for me.

[Anvos]

Not really sure why this is a question, your warden practically feels like a demigod by the end of all DA:O and expansion stuff and can take on 3 specializations.

 

Hawke isn't a chump in the power department but is really just a skilled person whose had experience at fighting.

 

Inquisitor would take second but only due to the power the mark gives them as their actually the least skilled (plus I saw not enough to justify more story as why they could only take one spec).

[laudable11]

It's either the Warden or Hawke. The Inquisitor only has 8 skills available.

[Merlik]

It doesn't really matter who is more powerful, that only goes so far.  In these games you are always taking out things that are more powerful than you are. So the real question is, which character has the most drive or ability to win, take out the bigger target despite the odds. 

[Merlik]

So who would win if it were their party of 4 at their peak?

 

Inquisitor gets Iron Bull or Blackwall, Solas, and Cole

 

HOF, gets Leliana, Morrigan, Sten

 

Hawke gets, Varric, Fenris, and one more