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[Blade_RJ]

Inquisitor mark is focus power, diferentiate gameplay mechanic from world lore, its the same focusing hability as when a mage prepare to cast a spell and can not be disturbed doing so like irving does to enter the Fade, So all the warden and Hawke really need to do is distract inquisitor long enough to

CUT OFF HIS HANDS, there ! inquisitor is powerless.

 

Then is hawke vs warden, hawke may be a GREAT soldier, the warden is a warden, he is a GREAT SOLDIER with a unhuman hability and faster and more acute reflexes, and if your warden acumulated knowledge through the game, he knows more specializations then hawk and inquisitor toguether, the guy is pratically the Thedas version of marvel taskmaster, a villain specialized in every form of combat.

[Nykara]

It depends on the level of power. I think the Inquisitor has more influence with others on the whole - she has an entire team of people at skyhold working for her to that end. However I have a soft spot for Hawke. In terms of being one hell of a tuff nut surviving everything she has been through Hawke is by far the tuffest of the lot.

The Warden is strong, but only within the Grey Wardens and they have a specific goal - to stop each blight. Only during times of Blight is the warden the strongest and most critical player.

[xJLxKing]

Dragon Age Origins felt more like an Epic Fantasy, about the coming doom of a world. It portrayed the Archdemon as an Old Gods, a being very powerful. So far, nothing else that either Hawke or the Inquisitor has fought amounts to that implied power. The Warden also fought Flementh whom he actually killed. He also killed a high dragon and one of the Magisters.

 

I'm sure people will cite how the Inquisitor is able to open rifts, but that's very far fetched. It's like saying that Hawke was shown to be able to use blood magic to rip people apart. Corypheus was definitely a powerful Darkspawn, but never felt powerful. He entire built up about how "immortal" he is had one of the most ridiculous weaknesses. He is immortal and the only way to kill him is to kill his pet Dragon. Okay!? but did we really need to go through all the trouble of finding this "crazy weakness". Let's be honest, we were going to have to kill the dragon one way or another. Not to mention that but it's also how ignorant Cory is that makes him look very weak; the guy doesn't look very strong, just hard to kill; the most impressive thing he did was enslave a dragon and levitate a small fortress.

 

It's unfortunate we will never see the Warden Commander again. A shame really

[SiIencE]

By default Vivienne is more powerfull, as KE she owns everything... Soloing dragons, soloing fade demons, she could've saved the world..  (Same could be said for the Inquisitor if s/he is a mage and KE however). And yes you can deny Vivienne from joining and no she can't close rifts...

 

I don't know, all of them have their good and bad sides.

 

The Warden is the most 'iconic'? of them all, s/he came from 'nothing' and build an army, survived Ostagar (with some help so did Hawke) stopped a civil war, discovered the Urn, saved Redcliffe, helped Orzammar, saved the elves/werewolves (depending on choices made) Killed 2 dragons of 1 an Archdemon, Saved Amaranthine/Warden base and could even become King/Queen (Prince Consort?). Also killed the blob and Architect (or not)..

 

Well Hawke... Same goes for the warden, wouldn't be alive if Flemeth didn't save him/her. Ended up with 'none choices' no matter what Hawke did nothing changed regarding the outcome. Maybe if Hawke wasn't there the Qunari would still have Kirkwall or the templars/mages would've taken it back somehow? The rebellion would've happened anyway, and thanks to Hawke Corypheus woke up and Red Lyrium got introduced to the world... (Even if you didn't have the DLC)

 

The Inquisitor.... Got the anchor because... 'luck'? Wouldn't know what to do with it if Solas wasn't there i guess, survived the attack on Haven because 'luck'? Managed to do most things because the Inquisition was there, didn't do much alone. Attacked warden fortress with force. True if you side with the mages it shows the world is gone, demons roaming allover but it doesn't quite say Corypheus became a god? (Not sure here). To me the inquisitor felt more like a tool, the only 1 able to close rifts. The inquisition could've just dragged 'him/her' around in a cage and pointed his/her hand at the rifts.

 

What i wonder is, how does it go in the books themselves? What happens there? I've read none of them, i did read some of the comics? But they were mostly about Varric and Isabella trying to save Marric and meeting Sten again. Don't think that matters really.

Also some comic about some mage girl who was the daughter of a templar and a mage. 

And seen that movie with Cassandra becoming the Hero of Orlais.

 

Overall to me the Warden is the most powerfull/iconic of the 3, it felt more 'me against the world' and it had more story to it and background. Hawke did goto Kirkwall to be safe from the Blight trying to save the family, at which s/he fails miserably.. If you play your cards right only Gamlen is alive in the end..

 

The 'Inquisitor' was/is a tool, bringing flowers to places, filling requisitions, took a lot of strolls, worried about curtains and what the windows should look like and what throne to sit on and what bed to sleep in and don't forget the courtyard/garden/tower. Went to a party in the Winter Palace where s/he danced a bit and talked/listened to people while sneaking off to plunder the palace.

 

To me Warden->Hawke->Inquisitor.

And i don't look at the games themselves because that would be DAO->DAI->DA2.

And what i'd like to see is DAO done in the FB3 engine (You can dream right?)

[KotorEffect3]

Well if we don't count the anchor then all three are on equal footing assuming that all three are the same class.  With that being said I believe the Warden sees and has seen more combat and therefore has more overall experience than the other two.  Being a warden you a warrior through and through (referring to lifestyle not gameplay class).  The warden is constantly fighting or investigating darkspawn and investigating events related to them.  He has to constantly keep himself in top shape both physically and mentally.  Now while his/her responsibilities keep them busy the inquisitor arguably does there most important work when they are meeting their advisors and running their organization, even though you can argue that the inquisitor is very much a warrior, he is equally an administrator, diplomat, and politician.  He isn't an every day soldier and simply doesn't have the experience that the warden does.  Hawke while fun to play as felt either like a freelance mercenary or  a guy that got caught up in events,  he is not commited to a singular cause like the other two are and therefore doesn't have the day in and day out lifestyle of a warrior that warden and to a lesser extent the inquisitor have.

[Aren]

Dragon Age Origins felt more like an Epic Fantasy, about the coming doom of a world. It portrayed the Archdemon as an Old Gods, a being very powerful. So far, nothing else that either Hawke or the Inquisitor has fought amounts to that implied power. The Warden also fought Flementh whom he actually killed. He also killed a high dragon and one of the Magisters.

 

 

I do not consider the Archdemon as a powerful enemy after all i killed him only with Leliana with the Ballista, and for Flemeth she is weak either, combat 1 vs 1 with a bow and potion and armor to resist fire, i found the Mother of Awakening to be more powerful than anything else in Origins.

[xJLxKing]

I don't think it's fair to consider how hard a boss was. In that regard, a Champion or KE in this game makes everything pretty easy. In retrospect, you can solo Origins with the Warden. I'm talking about Lore wise

 

The Inquisitor himself hasn't really fought too many things. He defeated Cory, a high dragon, Demons, Templars, one of the Forbidden Ones, and a few other minor things (correct me if I am wrong)

Hawke fought a mature Dragon and a high dragon. Nothing else that I can remember that was memorable or thought to be strong. 

The Warden  fought a lot of things thanks to the game just being more fleshed out in terms of lore and expansions/dlc. You kill Flemonth, High Dragons, Archdemons, 2 of the forgotten ones, Architect, and other minors things

 

Lore wise, the Archdemon is likely the most strongest being here. You can argue Flemonth is stronger, but I tend to think the Archdemon.

Gameplay wise, it's honestly up for throws. I felt much strong in this game than I did any other because of the Inquisitor running around closing rifts 

[gombie]

In terms of power, id say the inquistor because of the anchor along with all the usual the others have

 

Hawke went 1on1 with the arishok, which is pretty bad ass and fought darkspawn without being a warden.

 

But in achievement/leadership?

 

Definately the warden because... well he built an army from near nothing, just him and his/her buddy alistar.

 

Inqusitor is just a puppet/poster child who goes around doing errands and cleaning up the wilderness whilst your 3 advisors do all the real work.

[gombie]

I do not consider the Archdemon as a powerful enemy after all i killed him only with Leliana with the Ballista, and for Flemeth she is weak either, combat 1 vs 1 with a bow and potion and armor to resist fire, i found the Mother of Awakening to be more powerful than anything else in Origins.

 

I think you mean that the warden is so strong that flemeth and archdemon felt weak?

[Rizilliant]

Warden.. Hands down.. We had far mroe control over his development, and he had far more arsenal, and ability options.. His actions were also far beyond that of either Hawke, or the Inquisitor!  Not just a Dragon, the Legendary Flemeth.. Not just a Dragon, THE Arch Demon.. Civil War, pfft.. I got ALL of you to kneel at my feet..Demons, AND Desire demons.. Werewolves.. Golems, Darkspawn, and yor Templars, Mages, Bandits, etc..We helped make Kings, save Circles, Save Dalish from Curse..

 

There really is no comparison..

 

Inquisitor fights the bad guy, that Hawke already beat... Woopty doo!

[Rizilliant]

I do not consider the Archdemon as a powerful enemy after all i killed him only with Leliana with the Ballista, and for Flemeth she is weak either, combat 1 vs 1 with a bow and potion and armor to resist fire, i found the Mother of Awakening to be more powerful than anything else in Origins.

Grats.. You min/max'd the fun out of the game... In Inquisition, its already done for you...cheers..........

[Biotic Flash Kick]

Warden > Inky > Hawke

Because archdemon and Flemeth > 10 high dragons and the joke of the Red Lyruim Dragon > One high dragon and Cory

 

and the warden is only good at killing darkspawn?

Please go back to master dennet and sell your high horse

I remember killing mages Templar and demons in droves before DA2 and Inquistion made it dull. 

I remember with the warden wiping out cultists of all sorts and revenants that made you **** your pants

I remember cleaning out bandits and guards of all sorts on top of ghouls and zombies

 

the warden has killed armies twice or thrice over

Inky got to take out half of one in an advantageous position 

 

Vigil's keep broke a darkspawn horde while amaranthine was protected

 

so the Grey warden stopped two darkspawn hordes

and hawke is lol.

and inky in the fade got it so much easier. Warden had to do that alone

 

Warden > inky > hawke 

 

oh wow

hawke wiped out a clan of elves

such wow

no impressed 

[Nykara]

The hardest fight I have done in all three games is the Airistock.  Does that mean it HAS to be Hawke?

To be honest. They each had a power of their own that suited the goals that needed to be accomplished at the time.

However by far in terms of game play, my Hawke def had one of the hardest fights I have had to do. I reloaded it about 20 times. Never had to reload any other fight that many times.

[Biotic Flash Kick]

The hardest fight I have done in all three games is the Airistock.  Does that mean it HAS to be Hawke?

To be honest. They each had a power of their own that suited the goals that needed to be accomplished at the time.

However by far in terms of game play, my Hawke def had one of the hardest fights I have had to do. I reloaded it about 20 times. Never had to reload any other fight that many times.

arishok was cheap though healing and that grab/impale
Flemeth and DAO high dragon would chew you up and spit you out 

[Vicious]

the warden was a silent hero power fantasy, of course he's the strongest. 

 

Hawke got kicked around a lot and was unable to get a happily ever after. He must be the weakest.

 

Inquisitor was a happy medium between the two, although he had the mark which was an i win button.

[Nykara]

Accept the Warden didn't really kill the dragon because the other Grey Warden got there first, he might have died before the end of the battle but he did the hard yards on that dragon. The Qun as a race are bloody tuff b**tards. Tuffer then any mage, Templar or other race at least.

[Innsmouth Dweller]

lore-wise? the Inquisitor, there is no doubt about it. 2nd is Hawke - starting mage rebelion, saving city from rampaging qunari with only 3 more people is quite an achievement, least powerful is the Warden - seeking alliances to slay Archdemon - it's not that impressive.

 

in terms of gameplay? Warden. Combat in DA:O was fun, i enjoyed every second of it. solo NM as a blood mage without calling for soldiers in last fight is one of the best and most rewarding experiences, topped only by Harvester in GoA. mage was OP there perhaps, but it's how it should be - struggle for first half of the game, it should be painful and tedious to a point you consider rerolling warrior every 2nd encounter because it's almost impossible to play like this, only to kill everything in eyesight with one spell in the endgame.

Inquisitor and Hawke are least fun PCs i've ever played, being told by a game you're awesome and powerful means nothing if it isn't in sync with the gameplay

[Rizilliant]

lore-wise? the Inquisitor, there is no doubt about it. 2nd is Hawke - starting mage rebelion, saving city from rampaging qunari with only 3 more people is quite an achievement, least powerful is the Warden - seeking alliances to slay Archdemon - it's not that impressive.

 

in terms of gameplay? Warden. Combat in DA:O was fun, i enjoyed every second of it. solo NM as a blood mage without calling for soldiers in last fight is one of the best and most rewarding experiences, topped only by Harvester in GoA. mage was OP there perhaps, but it's how it should be - struggle for first half of the game, it should be painful and tedious to a point you consider rerolling warrior every 2nd encounter because it's almost impossible to play like this, only to kill everything in eyesight with one spell in the endgame.

Inquisitor and Hawke are least fun PCs i've ever played, being told by a game you're awesome and powerful means nothing if it isn't in sync with the gameplay

The warden because he sought alliances?  You mean, like you do for the Inquisition? Inq is seeking them to slay 1 mage...

 

Clearly anybody who doesnt say Warden is Wrong!!!  

 

Im not biased  >  No uh-uh!

[xJLxKing]

He sought alliance to fight the Darkspawn horde lol

It doesn't even makes sense to get an army to fight the dragon, it's not like they can kill it anyway. 

[Ice Cold J]

Either Warden or Inquisitor.

Hawke is a badass, but not a savior like either of the other two.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

The Warden.

 

- They have no weapon limitations, no armor limitations and no ability limitations in combat.

- Healing spell is a basic spell for them. 

- They can carry an almost unlimited amount of potions and poisons.

- They can craft their own traps, grenades, potions and enchantments. 

- They can master three specializations. 

- They do not need to use Focus. 

 

The Inquisitor can open rifts and kill people with it but it is a focus ability remember ? You cannot spam it. Whereas The Warden can spam his taint magic (Avernus' spells) just fine. 

[Mocksie]

In terms of raw power, the  Inquisitor, just because of the mark. He/she can close actual tears in the veil, physically enter the fade, and the mark enabled him/her to defeat Corypheus for good.

 

As far as overall feats though, the Warden. The Warden was able to mobilize an entire nation against a blight when everything was against him/her. That's pretty impressive given that he/she started from nothing, had no help, and the wardens were branded as traitors by a more important figure.

 

Sure, the Inquisitor kinda did that too, but the Inquisitor had a leg up in that department considering he/she was heralded as pretty much Jesus right from the start, already had a sizeable army, and had advisors and ambassadors to help assemble the Inquisition.

 

Hawke... well, I love Hawke, but he/she really never did anything that special. I suppose Hawke has a bit of an iron will, considering he/she witnessed her siblings and mother die, and had to deal with crazy mages and templars all the time, as well as a group of dysfunctional companions. I'm sure a normal person would go crazy from all that.

[devilnevercry2]

Probably the HoF in a 1 on 1 battle. People are overrating the anchor, it's abilities are not the end all be all. Even more, as some have mentioned it takes time to activate, requires focus, and it still has to connect. Storywise people forget that the people and enemies aren't the damage sponges they are due to gameplay mechanics. For example an enemy can take hits from all party members swinging away but canonically (cutscenes), one arrow to the face would have slayed them. The HoF has more defensive and offensive abilities that would end the Inquisitor (or in the case of defensive, protect them from) just as well as the anchor (especially a mage warden). The HoF is undoubtedly more skilled (in all origins a prodigy) with better reflexes, and far more experience. 

 

Even if the Inquisitor were to become a god it wouldn't be the first they have defeated. They were able to defeat Flemmith, who would have died (by own admission) if she didn't plan ahead of time, and if Hawke wouldn't have delivered on their promise and the ritual done to revive her. Her simply being a high dragon is most likely just a gameplay thing, she'd still retain the vitality and power of a god. Then there's the archdemon which I have seen people underrate here, claiming it was just a high dragon. Cannonically that couldn't be farther from the truth. Even in gameplay it was mostly just the appearance of a dragon. It still had the power of an old god. It was far tougher, and showed abilities in the fight that high dragons don't have. Aside from the same melee attacks it had a range of unique attacks, like (to name one) a vortex that acted like a suped up version of the inferno spell. And while he did have help during the fight the HoF had to contest with an army at the same time (it seems like people are forgetting the endless waves of darkspawn in the fight), so they didn't have a numbers advantage. Even still the HoF did what they did when all the other blights took many years, united armies of nations, and countless Wardens. The HoF had been stated and shown to be the most gifted of the era (probably the most impressive of all the heroes of the blights). The Inquisitor's greatest enemies weren't up to the level of those of the HoF. And their mark doesn't make them more powerful than some of those they have been shown able to defeat. Let's not forget the HoF has defeated a fair share things with their own unique abilities. 

 

The Inquisitor definitely has the best army, and currently more influence over certain events.

[Get Magna Carter]

In terms of combat abilities - Levelling up means none of the 3 have a fixed power level

changes in game mechanics are a game design issue and do not truly represent a difference in power as all characters should be considered retconned to fit the current rules

So, the only true differences are what makes them stand out

the warden is a grey warden so he won't die from darkspawn poison and can finish of an Archdemon

Hawke is Hawke

The Inquisitor has the "anchor"

 

The anchor is useful in most circumstances so the Inquisitor is number 1, the warden number 2 and Hawke third place

 

UNLESS Varric is narrating on which case Hawke is 10 times more powerful than the other 2 put together

 

 

In terms of influence, the Inquisitor has the forces of the Inquisition so number 1, The warden is a Grey Warden commander though the advantages of that are in decline and Hawke is Hawke ...who's biggest claim to influence was that he might have been ruler of a city BUT only if he accepted the bad form of governance known as "mob rule" -in fact it's so bad that it is no wonder he doesn't last long in such a position.

[dailyminerals]

For me, I'd say the warden. From my perspective, the warden from DAO is this kind of mythic king bad-ass who could destroy both Hawke and the Inquisitor. I don't know why, but for me, the warden has this legendary Revan-esque quality that makes him something more than simply another cookie cutter hero.