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[Ajna]

I feel able to answer this question finally with - The Inquisitor

Spoiler

Her power is essentially godlike

[Hellosanta]

Well, although I love Hawke, but s/he probably wouldn't stand a chance between the warden and the inquisitor.

There is way too much variables in case of the warden, so it's actually hard to compare the warden to the inquisitor. Unlike others who mentioned that the inquisitor would not stand a chance against the warden, I feel that the anchor is part of the inquisitor(and the reason why inquisitor exists from the first place), so it's rather impossible to think of him/her without the anchor. So, with the anchor intact, the inquisitor is probably the most powerful among them, after all.

[Sylentmana]

Well, Hawke seems to have an uncanny ability to cause destruction on a mass scale, though it seems to be largely unintentional. I would give this one to Inky since they can controll rifts, have leadership skills, and can take the Knight Enchanter spec essentially making them immortal.

[Trickshavv]

Facts are facts...

The inquisitor can walk in the fade. He can open or close a giant hole in the damned sky. I'm pretty sure neither the Champion nor the Warden can do either of those things. Not to mention the political and religious clout he has by the end of the game.

The Inquisitor hands down.

To say otherwise is emotional bias. If you look at it objectively you can't come to any other conclusion.

[Abaddon_86]

In a straight up fight, that doesn't necessarily help. If he had consumed the well, maybe. The anchor would obviously help a bit, since he could summon demons to distract and damage the other, but would eventually end up fighting the very same demons too.

[Julia Luna]

Warden of course.

 

You don't need to agree with me on Warden being the strongest (which he obviously is) but you should stop thinking anchor-rift-killing is an at will no counter thing, mostly because you have no official information about it to state such, logic and reasoning are not enough to state anything that's why science relies on experiences. With a fantasy words we can't do experiences to get information, we must wait for official information from the creators. I always do have to say the same about all fantasy stuff (movies, comics, mangas, etc), people use logic like that was possible, as if it was real life, many times authors contradict completely between what they show, the lore they present and official statements.

 

Warden is the only of the three that is really a warrior, Hawke happened, Inquisitor happened and had the support of a bunch of people from the start, just a spoiled kid.

[Pierce Miller]

(spoiler) In one of the investigate options in a conversation with Morrigan during DAI it is revealed that if the Inquisitor used their anchor to enter the black city then they could become a god. I think it's clear who's the most powerful (spoiler)

[Legiongethinator]

I think the Inquisitor is the most powerful due to his/her mark of the rift ability and his/her use of the anchor to go in and out of the fade. The Warden is probably the second most powerful because he/she can gain the power of blood and seems pretty skilled in combat. Hawke is just a normal person who's a skulled mage/rogue/mage

[Tevinter Soldier]

well my canon warden is an arcane warrior while my Inquisitor is a Knight enchanter. poor hawke doesn't even enter into it.

 

overall though i think opening and closing rifts would seal the deal sorry warden quizy takes this one out.

[Trickshavv]

In a straight up fight, that doesn't necessarily help. If he had consumed the well, maybe. The anchor would obviously help a bit, since he could summon demons to distract and damage the other, but would eventually end up fighting the very same demons too.

You're thinking small potatoes. If the inquisitor WANTED to he could supplant Corypheus in lieu of stopping him. Even after wards he still has the option to walk the fade and uncover/command it's secrets.

Whereas the Champion was a piddly side companion and the Warden is... well... a warden.

The Inquisitor is, quite literally, the most powerful being in Thedas at the moment (that we know of). And he can only become more powerful. Which is why the next DA installment will either be over the top Mary Sue ridiculousness, a return to smaller scale glories (I.E. less worldly adventures with a more humble hero) or there will be a DLC addressing the inquisitors retarded OP power before a new installment.

[MoonDrummer]

Are you sure solas isn't the most powerful being in the thedas, possibly being a god that just absorbed the souls of two other gods. Which could mean that he can control an inquisitor that drank from the well. A lot I if and buts but yeah

[Abaddon_86]

Are you sure solas isn't the most powerful being in the thedas, possibly being a god that just absorbed the souls of two other gods. Which could mean that he can control an inquisitor that drank from the well. A lot I if and buts but yeah

 

We don't know what happened to the Old God's soul. At the time of Flemeth's death, it was most definitely NOT inside her body. It was hovering around her hand right in front of an Eluvian.

[Abaddon_86]

You're thinking small potatoes. If the inquisitor WANTED to he could supplant Corypheus in lieu of stopping him. Even after wards he still has the option to walk the fade and uncover/command it's secrets.

Whereas the Champion was a piddly side companion and the Warden is... well... a warden.

The Inquisitor is, quite literally, the most powerful being in Thedas at the moment (that we know of). And he can only become more powerful. Which is why the next DA installment will either be over the top Mary Sue ridiculousness, a return to smaller scale glories (I.E. less worldly adventures with a more humble hero) or there will be a DLC addressing the inquisitors retarded OP power before a new installment.

 

Invalid argument. Since we are talking about BW, we never get the option to do that anyways.

[Trickshavv]

Lemme put it another way...

The only thing Corypheus needed to become a god, destroy the world and invade heaven was the anchor. The anchor that's permanently a part of the Inquisitor.

[ashwind]

How is this even a question. Lore wise, the Inquisitor is more powerful than the Warden and Hawke combine.

[ManOfSteel]

Warden of course.

 

You don't need to agree with me on Warden being the strongest (which he obviously is) but you should stop thinking anchor-rift-killing is an at will no counter thing, mostly because you have no official information about it to state such, logic and reasoning are not enough to state anything that's why science relies on experiences. With a fantasy words we can't do experiences to get information, we must wait for official information from the creators. I always do have to say the same about all fantasy stuff (movies, comics, mangas, etc), people use logic like that was possible, as if it was real life, many times authors contradict completely between what they show, the lore they present and official statements.

 

Warden is the only of the three that is really a warrior, Hawke happened, Inquisitor happened and had the support of a bunch of people from the start, just a spoiled kid.

The Inquisitor has been permanently melded with the anchor. Something that Corypheus required to ascend to what is essentially godhood. That power is part of the Inquisitor, and gives the Inquisitor the ability to physically step into the Fade. That is "official information" and that is something we see happen over the course of the game. We also know that the Inquisitor is able to open and close rifts, including one as large as the breach. This again is "official information" that we are witness to by playing the game. These are powers that the Warden lacks. Simple as that.

 

Also, what background are we talking about when you state that "Warden is the only of the tree that is really a warrior"? If one were to choose a qunari Inquisitor for example, then we know that (s)he was in a mercenary company, and was a leader even then. Similarly, the human inquisitor was a noble like that of the human warden. Just like the warden, we can assume they had training as seems to be the norm with noble families in DA.

[ashwind]

Invalid argument. Since we are talking about BW, we never get the option to do that anyways.

 

We wont but BW will steal our Inquisitor and make him/her into an NPC and do all the things that we wanted but can never do

[Ap0crypha]

Terms of accumulated power, it's Inquisitor > Warden = Hawke.

 

I mean, the Inquisitor LEADS the Inquisition. They have a huge network of spies, assassins, Templars/mages, warriors, Wardens, diplomats, and any other type of person you can think of. The Warden gathered an army, which they have now ditched, and Hawke only has their friends.

 

Terms of personal power, it's Inquisitor > Warden > Hawke

 

Again, Inquisitor can rip open holes in the Veil and send you through it. The Anchor pretty much MAKES them a deity. Besides that, they fight more high dragons than the Warden and Hawke combined, and their final boss is essentially both of theirs (archdemon-isque dragon + ancient magister). The Warden stopped a Blight in one year with a ragtag bunch of misfits--their army only came in at the end. Before, they were fighting essentially on their own, with what they could scavenge or make. They also pretty much killed two gods (Flemeth/Urthemiel). Hawke's biggest moments were the Arishok, Orsino + Meredith, a High Dragon, and Corypheus at half power. Impressive, but not as impressive as the other two.

 

Importance, it's Hawke > Inquisitor > Warden

 

The Inquisitor may have saved the world and ushered in a new era, but it was Hawke who enabled that change thanks to their actions at Kirkwall, arguably making them more vital--without them, the Inquisitor wouldn't have had the opportunities they did. The Warden just stopped a Blight in a year, which is impressive but not very important for Thedas.

[Trickshavv]

Are you sure solas isn't the most powerful being in the thedas, possibly being a god that just absorbed the souls of two other gods. Which could mean that he can control an inquisitor that drank from the well. A lot I if and buts but yeah

The only reason the Inquisitor didn't pimp slap Flemeth into the fade was because of *where* they were not who they were. I would imagine the same would apply to Solas as well. And, again, given the fact that we saw a future where Corypheus destroyed the world and was marching on the Makers doorstep it stands to reason the Inquisitor *could* do the same if he so chose.

[WildOrchid]

The 3 of them are equally strong.

[ashwind]

The Inquisitor may have saved the world and ushered in a new era, but it was Hawke who enabled that change thanks to their actions at Kirkwall, arguably making them more vital--without them, the Inquisitor wouldn't have had the opportunities they did. The Warden just stopped a Blight in a year, which is impressive but not very important for Thedas.

 

I think Anders deserves more credit than Hawke

[MoonDrummer]

The only reason the Inquisitor didn't pimp slap Flemeth into the fade was because of *where* they were not who they were. I would imagine the same would apply to Solas as well. And, again, given the fact that we saw a future where Corypheus destroyed the world and was marching on the Makers doorstep it stands to reason the Inquisitor *could* do the same if he so chose.

The inquisitor couldn't have done anything to Flemeth if (s)he drank from the well as we see Flemeth controls either ours or morrigans movements.

[Ap0crypha]

@ashwind: True, lol, but the topic asks for Hawke and not Anders, so...

[Trickshavv]

Importance, it's Hawke > Inquisitor > Warden

The Inquisitor may have saved the world and ushered in a new era, but it was Hawke who enabled that change thanks to their actions at Kirkwall, arguably making them more vital--without them, the Inquisitor wouldn't have had the opportunities they did. The Warden just stopped a Blight in a year, which is impressive but not very important for Thedas.

The Warden didn't "just stop a blight." He SINGLE HANDEDLY stopped a blight. If it weren't for him the blight would have over run Thedas since only Wardens are the only mortals who can kill Archdemons. He was responsible for the rebuilding of the Wardens as a whole.

So, by your own reasoning, it would be Warden>Champion>Inquisitor since if there was no Warden there would very probably be no Hawke *OR* inquisitor since both the free marches and fereldan would have been over run. Orlais may have been able to beat back the blight with tevinters help but unlikely given the qunari, we'd be looking at a very different Thedas if the warden didn't do what he did.

One event enables another and so on and so forth. You can't say one event is more important than its precursor given that without the precursor the event in question most likely wouldn't have happened.

[-Akriloth-]

The Inquisitor has been permanently melded with the anchor. Something that Corypheus required to ascend to what is essentially godhood. That power is part of the Inquisitor, and gives the Inquisitor the ability to physically step into the Fade. That is "official information" and that is something we see happen over the course of the game. We also know that the Inquisitor is able to open and close rifts, including one as large as the breach. This again is "official information" that we are witness to by playing the game. These are powers that the Warden lacks. Simple as that.

 

Also, what background are we talking about when you state that "Warden is the only of the tree that is really a warrior"? If one were to choose a qunari Inquisitor for example, then we know that (s)he was in a mercenary company, and was a leader even then. Similarly, the human inquisitor was a noble like that of the human warden. Just like the warden, we can assume they had training as seems to be the norm with noble families in DA.

Inquisitor is not as strong as what he seems in my play thru. He closed the BIG breach with help of OTHERS not by himself. He requires "channeling" to close/open rifts. So much for having a god-like power.

 

Also s/he means Warden worked hard to accomplish what s/he accomplished while Hawke and Inquisitor got their stuff out of the blue.

 

 

Terms of accumulated power, it's Inquisitor > Warden = Hawke.

 

I mean, the Inquisitor LEADS the Inquisition. They have a huge network of spies, assassins, Templars/mages, warriors, Wardens, diplomats, and any other type of person you can think of. The Warden gathered an army, which they have now ditched, and Hawke only has their friends.

 

Terms of personal power, it's Inquisitor > Warden > Hawke

 

Again, Inquisitor can rip open holes in the Veil and send you through it. The Anchor pretty much MAKES them a deity. Besides that, they fight more high dragons than the Warden and Hawke combined, and their final boss is essentially both of theirs (archdemon-isque dragon + ancient magister). The Warden stopped a Blight in one year with a ragtag bunch of misfits--their army only came in at the end. Before, they were fighting essentially on their own, with what they could scavenge or make. They also pretty much killed two gods (Flemeth/Urthemiel). Hawke's biggest moments were the Arishok, Orsino + Meredith, a High Dragon, and Corypheus at half power. Impressive, but not as impressive as the other two.

 

Importance, it's Hawke > Inquisitor > Warden

 

The Inquisitor may have saved the world and ushered in a new era, but it was Hawke who enabled that change thanks to their actions at Kirkwall, arguably making them more vital--without them, the Inquisitor wouldn't have had the opportunities they did. The Warden just stopped a Blight in a year, which is impressive but not very important for Thedas.

The power which opens rifts requires a "channeling". Someone like Warden or Hawke would instantly drop Inquisitor if he tried doing that. Not to mention an Archdemon is stronger than a magister so Archdemon-isque Dragon + Ancient Magister is an invalid arguement.

 

If Warden didn't kill the archdemon both Hawke and Inquisitor wouldn't happen.

 

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Also power level of any of these characters depends on their playthrus. My Warden at the end of Awakening was a guy who exists in both realms. I doubt any of my characters will reach that level in my playthrus.