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[KaiserShep]

He also has much more powerful allies than the inquisitor and doesn't rely on middle men and ambassadors.

 

Anyone in any meaningful position of power relies on middlemen to get things done to keep the organization going and to spread influence and gain favor, and the Warden-Commander is no different. As for powerful allies, my Inquisitor is allies with Empress Celene, is BFF's with Cassandra, who is the new Divine, is friends with the leader of the loyal mages (Vivienne is not some toothless sorceress), is also a noble that has ties to the Chantry, the Templar order, and families in Nevarra and Tevinter, and despite King Alistair technically being the Warden's friend, he is also allies with the Inquisition, so there's a fair amount of overlap in the allies department. When it comes to widespread influence, the Warden doesn't really have anything on Inky.

[KaiserShep]

I tend to see all game mechanics as an abstraction and largely useless in such conversations.

 

That's true. In any case, it's like being able to beat the President of the United States in hand to hand combat. Good luck not getting shot or imprisoned trying to do so.

[cronshaw]

Is anyone actually taking this thread seriously?

[zqrahll]

The Warden by a lot.  The dumbing down of the magic system game by game makes me like the Inquisitor less than Hawke, who was already less than the Warden.

[Forsythia77]

I think one can make an argument for Hawke - like Batman she doesn't have any additional special abilities like the Inquisitor and her mark or ability to sense Darkspawn like the Warden.  Hawke is just a normal human if you make her a warrior or rogue (and I always did because I enjoyed the sisterly bond between Bethany and Marion). Hawke just does more with less.  But I will say closing rifts is pretty awesome either way.

[abisha]

Hawke is most powerful.

 

for obvious reasons, he is champion of kurtwall (and killed Corypheus). on top wardens and Inquisitor have not really have power but ability. *stolen ability*

wardens are only tainted with darkspawn blood, with obvious reasons tainted blood is not needed to kill darkspawn (lore wise in DA:I) only to kill a archdemon (with of course is also not true) with the ritual.

 

on top of that, power draws on power reason Flemeth shows up.

[Vulcan25]

People are really overrating the Rift thing. Yes the Inquisitor can open a rift inside someone but you think the Warden or Hawke are just gonna stand there while the Inquisitor opens a Rift inside them? No way, they'd move and attack. To open the Rift, the Inquisitor has to power up, can't just flick your wrist and do it. To get ride of the Warden or Hawke that way, the Inquisitor would first need to beat them down so they can't fight back and in a 1-on-1 fight? I'd put my money on the Warden.

 

So, 1-on-1 to the death?

Hawke vs. Inquisitor? Keeping in mind that the Inquisitor would have to beat Hawke down long enough to power up to open a rift, I'd say its a tie, but leaning towards the Inquisitor, specially mages since I think KE beats Force/BM, Force/SH, or BM/SH.

 

Hawke vs. Warden? I think the Warden would crush Hawke. People argue that the Warden's only good for darkspawn, but if anything darkspawn should be harder to kill than your average bandit or thug since they're not human. Mage wise, AW/Anything crushes anything Hawke could do, without even taking into account a third specialization

 

Warden vs. Inquisitor? I think the Warden would win that one too. The Inquisitor's great, but I just think the Warden is more powerful. Mage wise, AW again owns, though KE is better than Force mage for Hawke.

 

Warden vs Hawke vs Inquisitor in a threeway battle would probably be to chaotic to decide, if all three are mages, probably the Warden, cause Mana Clash plus AW beats the others, but outside of the game mechanic, I could see this being a tie. Three badass fighting each other is recipe for disaster since I can't see anyone dominating too much when they're out for themselves.

 

On another note, you Origin companions vs. DA2 vs. Inquisition? Varric counts for Hawke since they have less companions, I'd say Alistair, Leliana, & Morrigan would beat Aveline, Isabela, & Merrill, but Cassandra, Cole, and Vivenne would beat them both I think. 

 

Morrigan was great but KE destroys Shapeshifter, though if she's an AW I could see that go either way. Cole's great he'd have to get to Leliana so distance swing that in Leliana's favor but if they start in front of each other, Cole could kill her quickly. Cassandra would beat Alistair, I think by quite a bit.

[DialupToaster]

Game mechanics are fun, also useless, but fun.

 

Something to consider... older/ancient magic seems overall better than new magic.

 

aka AW > KE

 

Another to consider is canonical martial skill. I consider trailers to be useful sources.

 

Mage Hawke is capable of going toe to toe with a skilled warrior like the Arishock in melee, he eventually gets beat down, but Hawke's magic let him win.

Mage hawke is also able to match an ancient Tvinter magister spell for spell. This Magister is also heavily tainted (aka warden's main advantage) which means he's likely drawing on the taint for his magic (implied infinite mana essentially)

 

This means Mage Hawke is capable of going blow for blow and hold advantage for the earliest part of the conflict (Hawke got first blood during trailer i think) as well as matching an ancient powerful mage with infinite mana spell for spell. A rogue or warrior Hawke should be considered Mage Hawke's equal... in pure physicality.

 

I nominate Hawke as DA's Chuck Norris.

[keesio74]

My Warden was level 34 by the end of DA:A. So I'd take the Warden!

[NUG]

The warden

In terms of accomplishments

just look at his/her accoplishments : he has killed and Old god and Flemeth/Mythal to whom the  Inq is servent.

but Hawk and the Inq : they just killed a high pirest of an Old god who is probably an equal to the architcet.

an old god easily overanks a magister who previosuly tended to ask for aid of old gods just remmeber how Cory begged Dumat at the end of DAI and how he answered: by silence.

 

In terms of allies and army:

the warden has wardens support and remmber how a small number of them fought the huge army of inquistion in Adament fortress.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Funkier_Than_Thou]

@ MasterSolo -  has a point... the Warden had an entire Army helping him to fight the Archdemon... the Archdemon wasn't just a run of the mill Dragon... it used magic as well during the final battle. But still an army was behind the Warden... The Inquisitor had the inquisition behind his back as well... it's implied. Hawke only had his companions and he still managed to do all the things he did... Based on this it can be argued that Hawke is more impressive.

 

Hawke only had his/her companions to help him when the proverbial "sh*t hit the fan*... so no army providing him/her support... that's IMPRESSIVE...

[TexasToast712]

Just remember this. The Hero of Ferelden was Cassandra and Lelianas first choice while Hawke was a backup. Clearly they thought the Warden was better.

[Aren]

Is anyone actually taking this thread seriously?

This thread was never meant to be serious, but given the enthusiasm,i'm starting to believe that people have really take the matter seriously......

[Aren]

The Hero of Ferelden, because she practically saved the world without any assistance and gathered army with some old crappy documents.  Hawke...killed a Qunari one-on-one? That's it really. I liked the inquisitor, but if it wasn't for them accidentally getting rift powers they might not have been as powerful or influential as the Warden. Sorry Warden-fangirl here. I've made my disdain for Hawke pretty apparent in every thread. 

well you're is a she, mine is an he

[Sinuphro]

my HOF can intimidate demons...inshort alot of demons out of fear of my warden run for the hills because...trying to cross the HOF leads to a horrible end. Hawke can't do that; in short Hawke had to run out of fear from Kirkwall; if HOF were there, all the templars and chantry would flee kirkwall.

 

if HOF is forcefully placed placed in the fade, he or she will kill so many demons, the fade....Out of Fear will create a path out. Also, HOF didn't need help from well to wtfpwn 2 real gods of Dragon Age. Hawke didn't need help from any well or god to defeat corypheus. Noob inquisitor had to seek help to fight corypheus. I bet Hawke team and HOF team can wtfpwn Archdemon + Corypheus at once. Inquisitor...forget it; not a chance.

 

Ultimately, HOF>Hawke>Inquisitor

[b09boy]

@ MasterSolo -  has a point... the Warden had an entire Army helping him to fight the Archdemon... 

And the Archdemon also had an entire army to fight the Warden.  It was a massive battle between more than two opponents, but one in which  the story treats as if the Warden was largely responsible for the Archdemon's demise.

[Aren]

And the Archdemon also had an entire army to fight the Warden.  It was a massive battle between more than two opponents, but one in which  the story treats as if the Warden was largely responsible for the Archdemon's demise.

too bad that i never used the supposed army to begin with,and solo (only with my character and 0 companions ) the final battle, Gaxkang the Unbound he was an hell of a boss,the Archedemon not so much.

[Dai Grepher]

The Hero is objectively more powerful than the Inquisitor and Hawke, if for no other reason than the fact that DA2 and DA:I have more action based combat systems. This means, if the Hero's attacks, skills, and talents were transferred to the DA2 and DA:I combat systems, they would be phenomenally more powerful than the DA:O/A versions.

 

For example, one swing of a greatsword in DA:O/A takes like two seconds and does maybe 52 damage. In DA2 or DA:I it takes .2 seconds and does 161 damage. I'm estimating the damage output but I think if you compare the levels you'll see something along these lines.

 

Another example with talents, a DA:O/A warrior's War Cry can be maxed out to knock enemies down. In DA:I it just taunts and gives some guard. Look through all the talents and you'll see similar gaps in power and effect, especially with the mage spells.

 

Then you've got the skills, such as trap making and such. And then of course the specializations. The Hero can have three specializations canonly (I heard the 4th spec in WH is a glitch), but the Inquisitor can only have one (so far). And those specializations are vastly superior to what is seen in DA:I. Warriors have Spirit Warrior, which puts them above even DA:I's Knight Enchanters (which have actually been nerf'd in a recent patch). Bloodmage, Spirit Healer, Keeper, nuff said. And DA:O/A rogues can wield full weapons, summon beasts, disarm traps, and with the Legionnaire spec can even become immune to magic. So most of this puts the Hero out of danger from even the Inquisitor's Mark of the Rift ability.

 

Then you've got the custom options that set the Hero apart, like the ability points going to whatever characteristics you choose, the runes, the Power of Blood, and so on.

 

No contest.

[dawnstone]

Having played all three, my Warden was the beastliest tiny elf battlemage/arcane warrior/spirit healer ever and I have serious doubts whether Hawke or my main Inquisitor could have done anything to stop her before she laid down Paralysis Explosion and then stomped them to death with her elemental attacks. I really wish Inquisition had allowed for those sort of combo attacks, they were a lot of fun.

[Chuvvy]

Class dependent. Arcane Warrior warden is OP as ****, so I'd say he's the most powerful.

[dsl08002]

Its not a competition

The warden is a superheavyweight, Hawke and Inquisitor are lightweights

[turuzzusapatuttu]

Batman is better than Superman.

[TexasToast712]

Too many Arcane Warrior noobs in here touting their stat superiority which doesnt count.

[t0mm06]

From a 'head canon' point of view i'd say the warden (or my warden at least)

BUT if you go from a base story point of view, I would say the inquisitor is meant to be the least skilled in combat. For instance take the Josephine romance, at  one point you have to enter into a duel with some nobody but everyone acting like its dangerous and you could have died... That would never happen to Hawke or the Warden. Everyone would have been all like '****... that dudes gunna get **** up.'

 

The way i see it (from the base story that Bioware tells not any extra Role playing by the character),
Hawke is the most skilled at Single combat. 

Warden was highly skilled (almost as skilled), but makes up for it by being good at raising armies and leading.

The Inquisitor is the least skilled in single combat, BUT the best at leading.

 

This said in my own 'canon'

The warden is the most skilled in combat.