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[Commander Felos]

The Hero of Ferelden

 

Martial abilities

 

Thanks to being a spirit warrior aswell as his dexterous abilities as a warrior, he is essentially impossible to hit. My Cousland was a the master of all martial arts, able to use all weapons to their enth degree. He could use sword and board and be practically immortal, then he could swap to his bow and shoot so accurately he kills most foes in one hit.     He had so fast reflexes he couldn't be hit, as well as being able to shrug off all damage for a duration.  Some claim the warden is only good at fighting darkspawn, i disagree.  Aside from detecting darkspawn, he doesn't have any special abilities against them that he doesn't have on other stuff. 

 

He's is beyond a warrior without equal.  Literally. And is a way better fighter than other wardens. And they're stated by many to be warriors without equals. He has slaughtered droves of foes at once with only a four man group.Many say he's a one man army. He has taken on cauthrien's elite force when he had just recently started to fight equally. This is the equivalent of four year one soldiers taking out the navy seals.  Another example for outnumbered fights could be some of the random encounters where his party has easily taken on thirty foes at once.  

 

Loghain comments on the warden; "There's strength in you that i have not seen anywere since Maric died, i yield"

 

Powerful member of the carta says this after having himself and his group rekt; "D-don't kill me! Sodding ancestors, what do they teach you on the suface? You fight like a bleedin' archedemon!"

 

Caladrius; "Enough! it seems like your reputation is an accurate one. I surrender."

 

Magical Abilities;

 

 

 

Spirits appear to respect and watch him. Even a non-mage warden. The warden is essentially canonically the only spirit warrior in Thedas save justice. 

 

Gaxhang; "Eyes are on you from a very high vantage, grey warden. " "I cannot hide in your wake, but i will not be a footnote!"

 

one of the forbidden ones is jealous of the warden, yes jealous.

 

This quoute also indicates that he's caught the attention of something from a very high vantage. This is either the elven gods, the maker or other spirits simmelar to gaxkang. This is probiliary what allowed him to learn the art of being a spirit warrior. T

 

 

Desire demon; "I have no wish to engage your power"  This is only said to a mage, but that's only because the warrior can't go into the fade.

Uldred; " Your raw potential, with the strength of a demon behind it, would be unstoppable" and now technically he has spirits behind him, as a spirit warrior.

 

Major kills under his belt;

• Archdemon Urthemiel -  Cory was a servant of dumat which is argueably as powerful as this Urthemiel and cory is inky's most powerful foe.
• The Baroness - Most powerful pride demon ever.
• Gaxkang - on the level of imshael
• Flemeth - Elven god.
• The architect - The architect is about as powerful as Corypheus. Corypheus is the most powerful foe the inquisitor faced. 
• High dragon - All three have killed high dragons.
• Fighting his way trough the circle of magi - most of the mages of the circle had turned into abominations, and then he was locked inside the tower with them and manages to push the entireway trough the tower very thoroughly as gregoir put it. it was so difficult a task that all the templars didn't even dare to enter the tower, they just wanted to burn it down. 

 

 

The warden is more experienced than the inquisitor and Hawke. I like to think that your level indicates the experrience of the characther. at the end of origins the warden was equal to hawke and the inquisitor. And then later he had the time to become as experienced as he is now at level thirty five. 

 

Also don't forget that the warden has drunk avernus's potion and that is not to be underestimated. This makes the warden much faster than the inquisitor due to the lack of a proper haste ability for the inquisitor and the substainable for power of blood.  The warden is also much better equipped than the inquisitor. 

 

The warden has equal political power to the inquisitor.

 

The warden;  Ferelden, The Anderfels, the dwarves and Zathrian's clan

The inquisitor; Orlais, Nevarra, the mages/templars and possibly lavellan clan and/or Hawen's clan

Hawke; Free marches and the sabrae clan.

 

 

How i think their fight'd play out; 

 

-Inquisitor casts mark of the rift 

-Warden activates carapace, beyond the veil, berserk, rally and blood thirst.he tanks the mark of the rift.

-Inquisitor fade steps away.

-Warden casts holy smite on inquisitor.

-Inquisitor uses Lyrium potion.

-During the inquisitor's animation, the warden runs up and uses war cry  on the inquisitor interrupting the refill.  He then disables blood thirst as his carapace runs off. 

- the inquisitor now has enough Mana to use fade cloak, and does so. 

- The warden get's massively hit by the fade cloak.

-  Warden instantly uses shield bash on the inquisitor, and lands a few hits with his vigilance.

- Inquisitor fade steps away and uses immolate, and casts fire mine on his own feet.  

- Warden swaps to bow as he activates accuracy and hits a couple of arrows at tie inquisitor.

-Inquisitor drops barrier on himself. 

- Warden switches to shield and  enables carapace and shield wall.

the inquisitor drops a staic cage and  energy barrage combo.

- The warden runs towards the inquistor breaking trough the cage. 

-Inquistor casts fire wall and icewall to try and block him.

-Warden ignores them, and keeps getting closer to the inquistor.

 

And then they have a short match of spirit blade vs sword/shield. and suddenly he uses overpower on the inquisotor and then does a bloody finisher.

 

This post doesn't even catch the scope of the badassary of the waden

 

Here's the warden in the cinematic trailer, it truly illustrates how badass he is. And this is in origins. Now my warden has gone beyond awakening. He has lived in the fade for years with Morrigan, raised a god and practised his abilities. He's essentially the most hardened of all veterans and now he's on a two-man mission with barkspawn trying to cure the taint. 

 

This post doesn't even catch the scope of the badassary of the warden.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also; the warden can sexually assult a demon.

[Beomer]

The warden is so badass he can/has raped a demon.

 

Not to be a stickler mate but using the word 'raped' is not cool and not really PC. It just, I'm sorry to say, shows immaturity.

[jedidotflow]

In my DA canon: The Inquisitor. He's a Rift Mage while the Warden is a kick ass Spirit Warriorr-Berserker-Champion and Hawke is a rogue. Mages > everything else.

[ruudg]

for me its the warden.

 

quest in the back alleys when you got the mercenaries out of the pearl, and the guard says:

 

"and people actualy voluntarily attack you?  are they just stupid?" 

 

And hes right 8-)

[Kallas_br123]

the warden is a fantastic fighter, whether mage, rogue, or warrior. as well as hawke, both have great feats, killed opponents of great power.

 

But at the end of the day if you look without favoritism lens, hawke killed more amazing opponents, the arishock would wash the floor with any of the humanoid opponents that wardem won against, the archdemon, in the words of several wardens, is just a dragon, (semi immortal, which can be reborn several times) but only a dragon, any opponent that the wardem won in combat, hawke faced and defeated a similar one.

But Remember that in kirkwall hawke found several demons of singular power, as Xebenkeck, or the trinity of demons that you find in the 3rd act. add meredith, which is possibly one of the greatest mvp's the world of thedas had in the short time she has gone mad, and on top of everything you put corypheus, which is probably the enemy of greater power he faced (attached to fact that the place where he was confronted and defeated, was of great help to corypheus).

 

hawke in solo combat (whether as a mage, rogue or warrior) is the best.

in other aspects such as leadership, warden is much better leader (mainly as a human noble or dwarf).

 

But above all the inquisitor is superior to both, whether in leadership, influence or combat prowess. (the mark is simply too OP to compare).

 

Sorry bad english

 

and I do not understand why every time this topics are created, the people begin to use headcannon or game mechanics, to justify who is more powerful.

[Zlykebab]

 

The warden has equal political power to the inquisitor.

 

The warden;  Ferelden, The Anderfels, the dwarves and Zathrian's clan

The inquisitor; Orlais, Nevarra, the mages/templars and possibly lavellan clan and/or Hawen's clan

Hawke; Free marches and the sabrae clan.

Bullshit, that depends on Warden's race, if s/he is a dalish elf it's much more likley that Sabrae clan would support him/her, not Hawke.

[sunnydxmen]

The inquisitor of course he mop the floor with warden and hawke at the same time.

[Kallas_br123]

Bullshit, that depends on Warden's race, if s/he is a dalish elf it's much more likley that Sabrae clan would support him/her, not Hawke.

in fact the political power of Waden even as noble human is quite debatable.

fareldan is a backward country, that everyone considers a country of barbarians and dogs. then out of fareldan he would not have great political influence.

 

Sorry bad english

[Moirin]

Depends on how powerful the anchor is and how well the Inquisitor can control it (by the end of the next DLC). So:

 

With Anchor: Inquisitor > Warden > Hawke

Without Anchor: Warden > Inquisitor > Hawke

[Commander Felos]

 

in fact the political power of Waden even as noble human is quite debatable.

fareldan is a backward country, that everyone considers a country of barbarians and dogs. then out of fareldan he would not have great political influence.

 

Sorry bad english

 

 

The dwarves would support him, they are very grateful for him restoring leadership to orazammar.  And the anderfelds support fellow wardens. He also has zathrien's clan or the werewolves. 

[fizzypop]

Depends on what you mean by "power" if you played as a human male/female you could become a ruler of an entire kingdom as the Warden. That's pretty damn powerful position to be in. Quizzy runs the inquisition which is powerful nonetheless, but I don't know if it is as powerful as an entire kingdom. So it depends on who you played and how your stories ended. My headcannon was a human female that married Alistair and became Queen. So she would be the more powerful one. Then quizzy. Then Hawke.

[Kallas_br123]

The dwarves would support him, they are very grateful for him restoring leadership to orazammar.  And the anderfelds support fellow wardens. He also has zathrien's clan or the werewolves. 

if you are talking hypothetically about support in a personal fight between the three protagonists, the elves never would enter the fight the dwarfs were not going to the surface unless the treaties that oblige them to help in a blight (only in case of blight, not personal feud) and the werewolves ... must be hard to find them in the woods but if he find them they would help the warden.

the rest of the wardens in anderfells never come into a personal feud between the protagonists, the warden is not the first warden he's just a warden do not confuse.

 

comparable with the political influence of the inquisitor Waden is not a nobody outside faralden. even the hawke in act 3 before the end of the game has more influence policy than the warden.

 

Sorry bad english

[Kallas_br123]

Depends on what you mean by "power" if you played as a human male/female you could become a ruler of an entire kingdom as the Warden. That's pretty damn powerful position to be in. Quizzy runs the inquisition which is powerful nonetheless, but I don't know if it is as powerful as an entire kingdom. So it depends on who you played and how your stories ended. My headcannon was a human female that married Alistair and became Queen. So she would be the more powerful one. Then quizzy. Then Hawke.

the inquisition has a lot more political power and military capability than fareldan.

Power enough to intimidate Orlais. never underestimate the power of a religious organization in a medieval scenario.

[Super Drone]

Warden level caps at 34

 

Inquisitor at level 27

 

Hawke caps at 50, but can't get above around level 26 without cheat codes.

 

So, the Warden is the strongest, unless you cheat, then it's Hawke. seems strangely fitting.

[TraiHarder]

Everyone also forgets that if chosen the inquisitor does also adsorb the power of Mythals well and we don't know what all he/she learned from the well.

[GenSheng]

Everyone also forgets that if chosen the inquisitor does also adsorb the power of Mythals well and we don't know what all he/she learned from the well.

the warden just beat mythal in dragon form, why need her well. the warden fought gods and won; inquisitor is just a tool for the gods.

[GenSheng]

 

the warden is a fantastic fighter, whether mage, rogue, or warrior. as well as hawke, both have great feats, killed opponents of great power.

 

But at the end of the day if you look without favoritism lens, hawke killed more amazing opponents, the arishock would wash the floor with any of the humanoid opponents that wardem won against, the archdemon, in the words of several wardens, is just a dragon, (semi immortal, which can be reborn several times) but only a dragon, any opponent that the wardem won in combat, hawke faced and defeated a similar one.

But Remember that in kirkwall hawke found several demons of singular power, as Xebenkeck, or the trinity of demons that you find in the 3rd act. add meredith, which is possibly one of the greatest mvp's the world of thedas had in the short time she has gone mad, and on top of everything you put corypheus, which is probably the enemy of greater power he faced (attached to fact that the place where he was confronted and defeated, was of great help to corypheus).

 

hawke in solo combat (whether as a mage, rogue or warrior) is the best.

in other aspects such as leadership, warden is much better leader (mainly as a human noble or dwarf).

 

But above all the inquisitor is superior to both, whether in leadership, influence or combat prowess. (the mark is simply too OP to compare).

 

Sorry bad english

 

and I do not understand why every time this topics are created, the people begin to use headcannon or game mechanics, to justify who is more powerful.

 

the warden fought gods and won (Mythal & Urthemiel), Hawke and inquisitor just fought god wannabe (Cory) at most.

[FiveThreeTen]

Well Inquisitor, by the sole fact they have a magic hand.

[Hellion Rex]

Inquisitor, cause you can open rifts and trap people in the Fade.

[TheEnigmousPretentiator]

Ignoring the implicit assertions that the Inquisitor could not have defeated an Arch-Demon and 'gods' because that character did not do it, the Inquisitor can seal rifts to the realm of magic itself. I would feel better slaying demons and gods with the Inquisitor alongside me.

[GenSheng]

Ignoring the implicit assertions that the Inquisitor could not have defeated an Arch-Demon and 'gods' because that character did not do it, the Inquisitor can seal rifts to the realm of magic itself. I would feel better slaying demons and gods with the Inquisitor alongside me.

You have a point there, but i can argue,

all you're saying that the inquisitor has "potential" while the warden has the "experience". lol, i'm just playing with words, it's hard to forget epic fight vs the archdemon after doing morigan. DA2 and DAI can't top that for me.

[CoM Solaufein]

The Inquisitor is the Chuck Norris of Thedas.

[RazorrX]

From a military might I would go with the Inquisitor. 

 

The warden had treaties that worked for a blight, once the blight was over the treaties were over and he was left with the wardens and what power s/he aquired in Ferelden.  So at best they could call upon The army of Ferelden (IF they were king/queen/consort) and the wardens.  We see in the Inquisition that Ferelden is in a really bad way.  It is the Inquisition that gives aid and comfort to the ferelden masses as the mage-templar war ravages the countryside.  The king/queen of ferelden are apparently overwhelmed.  In fact they only react to Ban Teagan being removed from Redcliff AFTER the inquisition has taken care of said war, the bandits, and the various rifts.   

 

The Inquisition meanwhile has a standing army.  It also has diplomatic ties to nearly every noble house in Ferelden, the free marches, Orlais, Orzammar, etc.  Celene is on the throne (Or Gaspard, etc.) because of the Inquisition.  Further you notice that in the trailer for the new DLC it is both Ferelden AND Orlais who confront the Inquisitor due to possible fear of the power the Inquisition has.  Not one or the other but both.  Ferelden (who has peace with Orlais in part due to the diplomacy of the Inquisition) goes to Orlais for the proceedings.  

 

So based on that and not the power you can amass in a time of blight - the Inquisition wins the forces battle.  Hawke had the city of Kirkwall, but fled, so has no forces and thus comes in last.

 

When it comes to personal ability I think you have to disregard the various game mechanics as they are just that - game mechanics.  We need to be able to look at them from accomplishments and trials.  Assuming that mechanics are off the table as all rogues are the same, all warriors are the same, and all mages have the same trees (as those are game mechanics and changed from game to game), I think I would give the edge to the warden.

 

My warden was an elf mage arcane warrior,  Hawke was a Force Mage/spirit healer and my Inquisitor was a Knight Enchanter.

 

My Warden was an Elven Circle Mage who was able to become a Arcane Warrior.  He wore plate armor, carried swords and was a nearly unstoppable force of magic/martial might.   With all spells being the same (due to the whole game mechanic thing) He would have an edge because he can wear any armor, use any weapon, is not stuck with a staff, still has full magic capabilities, plus has some very cool fade touched abilities (they can partially enter the fade).  The Inquisitor while quite formidable was a Knight Enchanter.  That specialization is based on what the elves and humans can remember of the Arcane Warriors, not the actual warriors abilities.  We need to assume therefore that (with all things equal) the Warden would have all the abilities of the KE as well as the ones from the pure AW as he learned his specialization from a real arcane warrior.  Hawke was a mage of great power, but so were the other two.  

 

Edge : Warden.

 

Now accomplishments:

 

Warden and Inquisitor had a LOT of help along the way.  Hawke pretty much soloed stuff or was with his friends.  

 

Warden - Cleaned out Soldiers Peak killing a few demons/undead.  Fought werewolves and some revenants in the forest, entered the deep roads and fought a crap ton of darkspawn, spiders, demons, etc. to fight a bunch of golums before it was all done.  Put (in my case) Bhelen on the Throne.  Warden fought off an army of undead, freed Conner from a demon, found the temple of sacred ashes, killed the cult and saved Arl Eamon and freed the mage circle from abominations and Uldred.  All this time while being hounded by Loghain.  Went to face Loghain, fought him in single combat, beat the legendary war hero and went on to defeat the Archdemon.  Now he had a LOT Of help with the Archdemon, mages, dwarves, elves, humans, Ballista, etc. but in he end he killed a God.  He also killed Flemeth in dragon form.  Now that one MAY have been a real fight or it could have been Flemeth allowing them to 'kill' her (she knew he needed to save the world from the blight, and she wanted Morrigan and others to think her dead).  She had after all given Hawke a talisman to take the the mountain and bring her back.

 

Inquisitor - Survived the fade, fought rift demons by the masses, pride demons, fear demons, hunger demons, etc.  You name it he fought them and fought them often.  Killed 10 high dragons.  Stopped the Mage Templar war by killing the radicals on both sides in Ferelden.  Fought an army of Red Templars, Venatori, and messed up wardens.  Freed the wardens from Coryfish by laying Siege to castle adamant.  Physically entered the fade and made it back again.  Took two keeps away from bandits by himself and three friends.  Fought darkspawn along the coast.  Faced super red templar samson and finally fought Coryfish and his sub-archdemon.  Killed them both.  And along the way fought the god Hakkon in dragon form and killed him.  But the army was commanded by Cullen, Diplomacy was due to Scribbles and the left hand was your spymaster.  LOTS of help.

 

Hawke - Survived the blight.  Fought a crap ton of crazy mages, templars, undead and darkspawn over the course of 9 years.  Fought qunari, and even fought and killed the Arishok in single combat.  Fought both a mad crazed harvester Orsino as well as total psycho crazy lady Merideth. Blood mages?  Hawke fought them just getting breakfast in the morning.  They grew on trees in Kirkwall.  Demons? everywhere.  Hawke was so badass that the templars left him alone as an apostate mage.  This was in a city with a crazy woman as knight Commander.  Even she did not go near Hawke until she lost it entirely.  Hawke had a more personal story (which was rushed due to time factors, etc.) but did a lot of fighting.  Oh, and he killed a High Dragon.

 

So personal accomplishments?  

 

I am torn on it, but give the Inquisitor a slight edge over the warden.  10 high dragons, Multiple powerful demons at a time, Cory and dragon, etc.

 

Remember the blight was over so fast most of the world thinks it was not a real blight.  There were other wardens, orlais had them, the anderfels, etc. and they were all prepared to go to war once Ferelden fell.  If Loghain had allowed the Wardens to come to the aid of Ferelden the blight may have been over even faster.

 

The Inquisitor saved the world.  They were the only one able to close the breach, which we saw in the future without the inquisitor would spread to engulf the world, causing massive damage to it.  The world was tearing itself apart as Cory was striving for Godhood.  That alone gives the biggest win.

[Kallas_br123]

the warden fought gods and won (Mythal & Urthemiel), Hawke and inquisitor just fought god wannabe (Cory) at most.

The archdeamon is just a dragon, any warrior of note can kill a dragon, (the only diference being that is needed a warden to keep hin dead) and flemeth, i dont think she realy wanna kill the warden. for the simple amount of powerfull and unique demons hawke kills tops virtualy evething that the waden killed.

 

And again the inquisitor can kill both of then.

 

And again i ask, why people keep using game mechanics and headcannon to make points here. we should use the cannon accomplishments, or something near to cannon.

 

Sorry bad english

[Dabrikishaw]

I's say the Warden is the most powerful Individually, while the Inquisitor is the most powerful resourcefully.