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[fizzypop]

 

the inquisition has a lot more political power and military capability than fareldan.

Power enough to intimidate Orlais. never underestimate the power of a religious organization in a medieval scenario.

 

Nope especially nope if you didn't build a large army which I didn't. Does anyone actually listen to the epilogue anymore? LOL we didn't threaten Orlais. Orlais wants us out of the play book so we don't have any ability to threaten if they were truly scared the last thing they would do was ****** off the inquisition with their political bullshit IE bringing us into that committee. That would be ****** move if we had more power. If they could crush us or thought they could then it makes sense. If they can't crush us then they would do better to align with the inquisition then back stab. Kids these days.

[Kallas_br123]

Nope especially nope if you didn't build a large army which I didn't. Does anyone actually listen to the epilogue anymore? LOL we didn't threaten Orlais. Orlais wants us out of the play book so we don't have any ability to threaten if they were truly scared the last thing they would do was ****** off the inquisition with their political bullshit IE bringing us into that committee. That would be ****** move if we had more power. If they could crush us or thought they could then it makes sense. If they can't crush us then they would do better to align with the inquisition then back stab. Kids these days.

which army you did not choose to have, as far as I remember the player has no choice as any military capability of the Inquisition she kinda grows by itself.

Simply Orlais recognize you enough for you to have influence on the succession issue, indicating its power and influence if Orlais could destroy the inquisition they would have done.

as the dlc, we do not have enough information on the committee to speculate why it exists or why inqusitor is subjecting hin/her self to it.

[Arshei]

A Warden who romanced Morrigan, since it is strongly intimated that Flemeth passes on her powers to Morrigan at the end of Inquisition ... meaning that the Warden is essentially married to an ancient Elven goddess.

 

Where Flemeth says she was pregnant of Morrigan?

Maybe she stole her when she was child.

[GenSheng]

The archdeamon is just a dragon, any warrior of note can kill a dragon, (the only diference being that is needed a warden to keep hin dead) and flemeth, i dont think she realy wanna kill the warden. for the simple amount of powerfull and unique demons hawke kills tops virtualy evething that the waden killed.

 

And again the inquisitor can kill both of then.

 

And again i ask, why people keep using game mechanics and headcannon to make points here. we should use the cannon accomplishments, or something near to cannon.

 

Sorry bad english

 

The archdemon is just a dragon! lol, did you read some history of the Blight?

The usually archdemon fight before the warden took 100 years at least, but with the warden only a year.

He's a quick learner, earned his skills and started as a foot soldier, beat the tainted god within a year then

ride into the sunset (my ending)... or died a hero.

The inquisitor was given his anchor by fate lol and ..  didnt' bring peace to thedas within a year.

 

You think some avvar put hakkon spirit into a dragon makes that dragon a god, but a tained god is just another dragon ?

 

sometime you can't seperate game mechanics and accomplishments, or you just dont have anything else.

[Umaya]

Mighty Hof annihilates the maker then shags Andraste.

 

Hof is a combination of Kratos, Sherlock Holmes, Altair, prince of persia, bruce lee, crash bandicoot, sonic, emperor palpatine and Vazdah the final boss from ninja giden 2.

[Kallas_br123]

 

The archdemon is just a dragon! lol, did you read some history of the Blight?

The usually archdemon fight before the warden took 100 years at least, but with the warden only a year.

He's a quick learner, earned his skills and started as a foot soldier, beat the tainted god within a year then

ride into the sunset (my ending)... or died a hero.

The inquisitor was given his anchor by fate lol and ..  didnt' bring peace to thedas within a year.

 

You think some avvar put hakkon spirit into a dragon makes that dragon a god, but a tained god is just another dragon ?

 

sometime you can't seperate game mechanics and accomplishments, or you just dont have anything else.

 

2 things.

first, do you have any quote or lore claiming that archdeamon is something more than dragon? because I have the top of mine head if I'm not mistaken 2 Waden Duncan and Riordan stating that he is just a dragon.

Second: the Waden was alone in the tower when arch daemon was killed?

 

Obs: What separates archdemon of other dragons is the intelligence, and the army drakspawn of course

[GenSheng]

 

2 things.

first, do you have any quote or lore claiming that archdeamon is something more than dragon? because I have the top of mine head if I'm not mistaken 2 Waden Duncan and Riordan stating that he is just a dragon.

Second: the Waden was alone in the tower when arch daemon was killed?

 

Obs: What separates archdemon of other dragons is the intelligence, and the army drakspawn of course

 

 

You said something about gameplay but dont remember the archdemon could come to the warden in dream and control the darkpawn. And yes if you played

the game well, you could solo the archdemon in the tower alone. 

And about lore, lol, you dont seem to know the name of that archdemon: Urthemiel, and I assume you dont know to google urthemiel either.

 

I think we just agree to disagree, there's no point.

[Kallas_br123]

 

You said something about gameplay but dont remember the archdemon could come to the warden in dream and control the darkpawn. And yes if you played

the game well, you could solo the archdemon in the tower alone. 

And about lore, lol, you dont seem to know the name of that archdemon: Urthemiel, and I assume you dont know to google urthemiel either.

 

I think we just agree to disagree, there's no point.

 

ok hot shot, give me an instance in the game, in books, or lore in general, that says archedemon is something more than a dragon, that he is stronger, faster or has some special power beyond the music . no? yep thought so

apparently looking for something on Google is very difficult for you.

 

the next time you get into a discussion about it, be an adult, and present sources, not insults.

[Nixou]

ok hot shot, give me an instance in the game, in books, or lore in general, that says archedemon is something more than a dragon, that he is stronger, faster or has some special power beyond the music

 

 

An Archdemon: a dragon tainted by corruption, transformed into a thing of evil with no match in all of Thedas.... Save for the Warden

That's in Asunder, page 134

[Kallas_br123]

 

An Archdemon: a dragon tainted by corruption, transformed into a thing of evil with no match in all of Thedas.... Save for the Warden

That's in Asunder, page 134

 

Who quoted that line?

[LaughingWolf]

I guess it really depends on whether or not the Warden, Hawke, and the Inquisitor are fighting each other solo, with their companions, or with their organization.

 

If it's companions or organization, the Inquisitor would win. The Inquisitor has more companions than the Warden (unless you count the companions from DA:A) and are more powerful than the Wardens companions. And the Inquisition is much more powerful in terms of numbers and resources than the Grey Wardens.

 

Solo? I have no idea, it'd probably be between the Warden or Inquisitor though. I loved Hawke and his companions but they simply are not as powerful as the Warden or Inquisitor or their respective companions.

[Nixou]

Who quoted that line?

 

Seriously? I give you an extract and you demand credentials? It's written in the God-Damned book!

[MissMayhem96]

The Inquisitor. Manipulation of Fade Rifts, Leader of the most influential organization, and has killed a God, a Would-be God and Titan guardian. 

[KaiserShep]

Obs: What separates archdemon of other dragons is the intelligence, and the army drakspawn of course

 

The most important thing is that the archdemon has a failsafe should a regular person manage to slay the dragon. 

[Kallas_br123]

Seriously? I give you an extract and you demand credentials? It's written in the God-Damned book!

I simply asked who quote because I do not have the book, is a simple question, i did not understand why the defensive and aggressive response.

[Kallas_br123]

as I can not find the quotes of duncan and riordan, for the archdemon in the google, I concede the argument in relation of the archdemon power, you present the single quote available.

 

but as I mentioned above, the Waden was not alone when the archdemon was defeated, he was with an army on the tower, (yes, the army was engaged with the army of darspawn) besides the presence of several powerful's npc's, the feat of killing the archdemon is more of a team feat (large team), than a solo feat (or small group) I personally put the feat of killing the baroness or harvester much higher than archdemon in scale of difficulty and skill.

 

Sorry bad english

[Pavan]

But guys, Warden defeats flemmeth in combat ---------- Obv she wasn't going all out --- but still he was able to drive her off. I say again, he drove off Mythal, an Old God. And that was mid game lol he grew much stronger after that.

 

Both my Warden and Quizy are reavers lol.

 

 

Would be such a bloody and gory fight between them.

 

Also Im sure Morrigan mentions that the darkspawn taint makes people stronger physically than ordinary humans. ------ So Warden has more experience, and is faster/stronger than Quizy.

 

The only thing Quizy has over Warden is the anchor, and we don't know how easily he can spam that do we?

 

Besides if they had time to prepare before the fight, Im sure Morrigan would give her lover some defence fade rifts.

[TeaLulu]

The Inquisitor is, without a doubt, the most powerful. Honestly, aside from your phenomenally good (or bad) luck, you had a mountain fall on you and managed to walk hundreds of feet through a snowy mountain and live: Inquisitor has some crazy good endurance. The Inquisitor is shown to be much more cunning and quick than our previous Protags. The Inquisitor asks FAR more questions than any other Protag and can get a grasp on a situation long before others can. Quizzy also thinks quickly: Opening a rift to keep from falling to their doom, kicking a harlequin out a window, opening another rift just to screw with Florianne's people, opening a rift basically inside of someone to suck them into the fade, etc. And depending on how you play the game, you can kill: 1 Envy demon, Twice travel through time, Kill an army of demons, kill the Nightmare, defeat an ancient blighted magister and his blighted red lyrium dragon, and then go and kill ELEVEN high dragons. Eleven. One of which is possessed by a spirit so is technically an abomination High Dragon. Then you can go down and kill HUNDREDS of dark spawn in the very deepest deep roads, defeat a Titan, the list goes on.

 

I'm also going to argue that the Inquisitor's companions are the most powerful out of all the companions. Anders/Merrill/Old lady Wynne don't hold a candle to Vivienne/Dorian, two mages of exceptional talent who have been raised and taught from a young age. Varric is..Varric.  Sebastian is a chantry boy, he doesn't have nearly as much training or experience as, say, Blackwall. And Alistair was barely a new Warden, sure he had some templar training but any of the warriors could own him. Avelinne is tough, but is she Cassandra tough? Iron bull and Oghren would just go out for drinks. Cole can literally vanish, Inquisition-Lelianne is 10x more badass than Origins Lelianne. Zevran's good, but I doubt he'd be willing to fight this theoretical fight. He'd go hang out with Lelianne.  The only two people who would be of some concern would be Fenris and Shale.

 

For everyone who wants to say Morrigan would be the end-all-be-all for the Warden's victory, one word: Solas. He doesn't even like her, especially after the events in the Arbor Wilds.

 

And I want to say, depending on things, the Inquisitor has a lot more loyalty going for them than the other Protags. I mean, Morrigan will leave you at the drop of a hat, Zevran can abandon you, everyone in DA2 can hate Hawke and possibly leave, etc.

 

Thats not even getting into the whole, nation-sized army.

[KaiserShep]

The Inquisitor is, without a doubt, the most powerful. Honestly, aside from your phenomenally good (or bad) luck, you had a mountain fall on you and managed to walk hundreds of feet through a snowy mountain and live: Inquisitor has some crazy good endurance. The Inquisitor is shown to be much more cunning and quick than our previous Protags. The Inquisitor asks FAR more questions than any other Protag and can get a grasp on a situation long before others can. Quizzy also thinks quickly: Opening a rift to keep from falling to their doom, kicking a harlequin out a window, opening another rift just to screw with Florianne's people, opening a rift basically inside of someone to suck them into the fade, etc. And depending on how you play the game, you can kill: 1 Envy demon, Twice travel through time, Kill an army of demons, kill the Nightmare, defeat an ancient blighted magister and his blighted red lyrium dragon, and then go and kill ELEVEN high dragons. Eleven. One of which is possessed by a spirit so is technically an abomination High Dragon. Then you can go down and kill HUNDREDS of dark spawn in the very deepest deep roads, defeat a Titan, the list goes on.

 

I'm also going to argue that the Inquisitor's companions are the most powerful out of all the companions. Anders/Merrill/Old lady Wynne don't hold a candle to Vivienne/Dorian, two mages of exceptional talent who have been raised and taught from a young age. Varric is..Varric.  Sebastian is a chantry boy, he doesn't have nearly as much training or experience as, say, Blackwall. And Alistair was barely a new Warden, sure he had some templar training but any of the warriors could own him. Avelinne is tough, but is she Cassandra tough? Iron bull and Oghren would just go out for drinks. Cole can literally vanish, Inquisition-Lelianne is 10x more badass than Origins Lelianne. Zevran's good, but I doubt he'd be willing to fight this theoretical fight. He'd go hang out with Lelianne.  The only two people who would be of some concern would be Fenris and Shale.

 

For everyone who wants to say Morrigan would be the end-all-be-all for the Warden's victory, one word: Solas. He doesn't even like her, especially after the events in the Arbor Wilds.

 

And I want to say, depending on things, the Inquisitor has a lot more loyalty going for them than the other Protags. I mean, Morrigan will leave you at the drop of a hat, Zevran can abandon you, everyone in DA2 can hate Hawke and possibly leave, etc.

 

Thats not even getting into the whole, nation-sized army.

 

Cole alone would really tip the scales here, because no mere mortal is immune to his mind-altering effects. 

[Pavan]

The Inquisitor is, without a doubt, the most powerful. Honestly, aside from your phenomenally good (or bad) luck, you had a mountain fall on you and managed to walk hundreds of feet through a snowy mountain and live: Inquisitor has some crazy good endurance. The Inquisitor is shown to be much more cunning and quick than our previous Protags. The Inquisitor asks FAR more questions than any other Protag and can get a grasp on a situation long before others can. Quizzy also thinks quickly: Opening a rift to keep from falling to their doom, kicking a harlequin out a window, opening another rift just to screw with Florianne's people, opening a rift basically inside of someone to suck them into the fade, etc. And depending on how you play the game, you can kill: 1 Envy demon, Twice travel through time, Kill an army of demons, kill the Nightmare, defeat an ancient blighted magister and his blighted red lyrium dragon, and then go and kill ELEVEN high dragons. Eleven. One of which is possessed by a spirit so is technically an abomination High Dragon. Then you can go down and kill HUNDREDS of dark spawn in the very deepest deep roads, defeat a Titan, the list goes on.

 

I'm also going to argue that the Inquisitor's companions are the most powerful out of all the companions. Anders/Merrill/Old lady Wynne don't hold a candle to Vivienne/Dorian, two mages of exceptional talent who have been raised and taught from a young age. Varric is..Varric.  Sebastian is a chantry boy, he doesn't have nearly as much training or experience as, say, Blackwall. And Alistair was barely a new Warden, sure he had some templar training but any of the warriors could own him. Avelinne is tough, but is she Cassandra tough? Iron bull and Oghren would just go out for drinks. Cole can literally vanish, Inquisition-Lelianne is 10x more badass than Origins Lelianne. Zevran's good, but I doubt he'd be willing to fight this theoretical fight. He'd go hang out with Lelianne.  The only two people who would be of some concern would be Fenris and Shale.

 

For everyone who wants to say Morrigan would be the end-all-be-all for the Warden's victory, one word: Solas. He doesn't even like her, especially after the events in the Arbor Wilds.

 

And I want to say, depending on things, the Inquisitor has a lot more loyalty going for them than the other Protags. I mean, Morrigan will leave you at the drop of a hat, Zevran can abandon you, everyone in DA2 can hate Hawke and possibly leave, etc.

 

Thats not even getting into the whole, nation-sized army.

 

 

I think its already been said but this is between the Individual Protagonists.

 

We all know Inquisitor has the biggest and most powerful army backing him up

 

But in a one one fight, I seriously think the Warden could win, jut about.

 

Unless the Inquisitor can just spam rifts at will - which I seriously doubt otherwise we wounld never have found any fight difficult.

 

 

 

All 3 are strong but I think it goes like this - Warden>Inquisitor>Hawke

 

But either way the are close in strength - would be very good fights.

[TeaLulu]

I think its already been said but this is between the Individual Protagonists.

 

We all know Inquisitor has the biggest and most powerful army backing him up

 

But in a one one fight, I seriously think the Warden could win, jut about.

 

Unless the Inquisitor can just spam rifts at will - which I seriously doubt otherwise we wounld never have found any fight difficult.

 

 

 

All 3 are strong but I think it goes like this - Warden>Inquisitor>Hawke

 

But either way the are close in strength - would be very good fights.

And my post explains not only why the Inquisitor would win alone (Generally being more cunning, more experience, more endurance, etc) but also why they would win if it was in a group. I just brought up the companions because other people were.

 

The Warden, depending on your background, can have exactly 0 fighting experience. You do not slay the Archdemon singlehandedly, you kill it with a bunch of giant crossbow bolts, an army distracting it, and it already having been wounded by Riordan. The Warden just deals the killing blow...and it doesn't even have to be them, it could be Loghain or Alistair.

 

Normal people can slay the Archdemon. Its just that when a normal person does it, it doesn't stay dead. The Warden has nothing on the level of professional expertise-level training the Inquisitor can get from his/her various trainers, generals, and colleagues. The Inquisitor doesn't even need rifts to beat the Warden. The Inquisitor is at the top of their game. Sure, its been 10 years since the blight, we have no idea what the Warden has been up to: But I highly doubt it compares to the level of power the Inquisitor is capable of gathering, and the vast pool of knowledge they have to learn from. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

That the warden slained flemeth/archdemon doesn't mean inquisitor or hawke wouldn't be able to do that pretty much same for every enemy they slay.

 

That inquisitor is more cunning or have greater endurance is subjective there is no way of proving that unless you match them against. As for combat experience it is dependens on player origin for both the warden and inquisitor.How you fight archdemon is player individual matter ,that is not only way to do so.

 

Training that inquisitor can recive may be not very different from that the warden recives from various individuals.In the end it is impossible would of 3 protagonist would win in single combat. 

 

 

 

 

 

[KaiserShep]

That the warden slained flemeth/archdemon doesn't mean inquisitor or hawke wouldn't be able to do that pretty much same for every enemy they slay.
 
That inquisitor is more cunning or have greater endurance is subjective there is no way of proving that unless you match them against. As for combat experience it is dependens on player origin for both the warden and inquisitor.How you fight archdemon is player individual matter ,that is not only way to do so.
 
Training that inquisitor can recive may be not very different from that the warden recives from various individuals.In the end it is impossible would of 3 protagonist would win in single combat.

So basically, eternal combat between all 3 on a mountaintop that NPC's will sing legends about.

[Xetykins]

If it's companions or organization, the Inquisitor would win. The Inquisitor has more companions than the Warden (unless you count the companions from DA:A) and are more powerful than the Wardens companions.

Well, the inquisitor is already minus Leliana ( a possible divine) and Morrigan. They would be the warden's first and foremost.

Leader of the Crows - Zev, Arishok Sten, King of Ferelden Alistair and the mighty DOG. All awakening companions, because they are still the Warden's companions at the end of the day.

So no, companion-wise the Inquisitor's are not that powerful at all. Well she's got Vivi or Cass as a.possible divine? What are they going to do? Exhalted March on the Qunari they have never managed. When they make a move, Taventir will be on their arse vice-versa. Their templars are quite depleted during the templar- mage war also.

If the Warden is a human mage, then you already lost Varric. Though Cullen would stay if not romanced, but his heart wouldn't be on it