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[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

No. Samson had a different sword forged by Maddox with red lyrium. Powerful, but different.

I'm fairly sure that's not what we're meant to conclude.

[Dabrikishaw]

Oh hey this thread.

 

I'm going to revise my answer and say Warden > Hawke > Inquisitor.

[VamNAQ]

1st - Hero Of Ferelden: (Alive & Kill Archdemon)

- Kill Archdemon (Origin), Broodmother (Awakening), High Dragon, Smart Darkspawn

- Able to beat Flemeth, Architect (Awakening) - Magister like Corypheus.

- End the blight! (I think the Blight is the most important in whole story, no one can stop Blight except Warden)

 

2nd - Inquisitor:

- Kill Corypheus, 10 High Dragons

- Save the world

- Have an army

- Power to close the Rift

 

3rd - Hawke:

- Kill Corypheus (Revive in Inquisition)

- Kill High Dragon

- Kill Arishork and save Kirkwall (But I think HoF and Inquisitor can do the same, so nothing special)

 

Not to mention Red Templar, Blood Mage, Demon... because those were not a problems with our heroes 

 

However, I have another concern about how powerful is Solas (Fen'Harel), he look much stronger than Inquisitor  

[myahele]

Prior to the events of Tresspasser I would have said the Inquisitor due to his/her control  and eventual mastery over the anchor and sucking people into the Fade. 

 

Things have more or less equalized.

 

Assuming all DLC is canon I'd say the Warden has a chance of being stronger depending on Avernus research since he was able to tap into the Taint and use it for power boost and longevity.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Assuming all DLC is canon I'd say the Warden has a chance of being stronger depending on Avernus research since he was able to tap into the Taint and use it for power boost and longevity.

Warden's Keep is in the Keep, and Leiliana mentioned Avernus to my Inqunsitor. This one is certainly canon.

[Esi]

>Warden (1st) //Natural Talent + Taint

-Killed High Dragon

-Killed Assassins ( The Crows )

-Killed Golems and a Paragon

-Started from the bottom now we here ( Experience )

-Killed trained veteran soldiers

-Killed an Arch-demon

-Killed a Broodmother

-Killed multiple Ogres and darkspawn

-Killed massive metal golem

-Killed improved Darkspawn

-Killed a demon ( The big ass demon in the DLC that scared me )

-Killed multiple demons along the way (Just 1 Pride demon though )

 

>Hawke (3rd) //Inborn Talent

-Killed multiple Pride demons and demons

-Killed multiple Ogres and darkspawn

-Killed Knight-Commander jacked on Red Lyrium

-Killed a demon ( The big ass demon from before )

-Defeated Cory-fish (Just awakened but power not split )

-Killed mages and templars

-Killed tevinter mages

-Killed an Arishock in single combat ( Or party if you didn't pick the duel )

-Killed a High Dragon

 

>Inquisitor (2nd) //Natural Talent + Anchor

-Killed tevinter magister

-Killed Cory-fish ( Half-power )

-Killed giants

-Killed High Dragons

-Killed multiple demons

->Terror

->Pride

->Despair

->The pesky reskins of Banshees in ME

-Defeated Mythal's Dragon

-Defeated Red Lyrium Samson ( Wasn't much of a fight )

-Killed Red Lyrium Dragon ( With help from another dragon )

[Beerfish]

Inquisitor, Hawke, warden

[Zlykebab]

A lot has changed, since I've said anything. And by 'lot' I mean the "Teresspasser".
After events of that DLC Inquisition is much weaker (or doesn't even exist), lost alot of support in Ferelden and Orlais... Comparing it to Warden-Commander (I won't call him/her Warden anymore to avoid misunderstands) forces, (army of Ferelden, Grey Wardens and possibly Qunari and Crows)... I leave it for you to interpret.
There is possibility to both of them to be VERY close to Divine, so I won't continue that topic.
Hawke... c'mon, army (if you can call it army) of 1-2 cities (Kirkwall and Starkhaven)... It's pretty clear in my mind.

Now, personal power:
Inky lost their hand... No more shields, bows, both-handed and dual-wielding weapons, problems with staves, and what's most important, no more Anchor.
Warden and Hawke still have their both hands. They could both beat the sh*t out of inquisitor.

[Zlykebab]

A lot has changed, since I've said anything. And by 'lot' I mean the "Teresspasser".
After events of that DLC Inquisition is much weaker (or doesn't even exist), lost alot of support in Ferelden and Orlais... Comparing it to Warden-Commander (I won't call him/her Warden anymore to avoid misunderstands) forces, (army of Ferelden, Grey Wardens and possibly Qunari and Crows)... I leave it for you to interpret.
There is possibility to both of them to be VERY close to Divine, so I won't continue that topic.
Hawke... c'mon, army (if you can call it army) of 1-2 cities (Kirkwall and Starkhaven)... It's pretty clear in my mind.

Now, personal power:
Inky lost their hand... No more shields, bows, both-handed and dual-wielding weapons, problems with staves, and what's most important, no more Anchor.
Warden and Hawke still have their both hands. They could both beat the sh*t out of inquisitor.

[JadeDragon]

Since all the DLC is out for the series so far I will compare each heroes most notable feats:

* - indicated strongest variation

 

Warden-Commander defeated:

Various types of Ogres - *Ogre commander or Armored Ogre Alpha

2 Broodmothers  -*the Mother

Various types of darkspawn

Ancient Drakspawn Magister The Architect

Various types of Golems - *Inferno Golem

Various types of Demons

3 Pride demons - * The Baroness

3 High Dragons - *Flemeth Elven Goddess

Spectral High Dragon

Various Werewolves - *Witherfang(while not a werewolf was still the leader of the pack) or Blighted Shadow Werewolf

Archdemon

Forbidden One - *Gaxkang

Various Sylvan - *Old One or Grand Oak

Various types of non-High dragons

A Varterral

Harvester

Handful of Qunari

Most notable non-creature -*Loghain(possible solo)

 

Hawk Defeated:

Various Demons

Numerous Qunari-*The Arishok(possible solo)

Malvernis - Spectral High Dragon

Various types of non-high dragons

A Varterral

Various ghast

2 Wyvern

1 High Dragon

Stone Golems - Etheral Golem

Various Darkspawn

Ancient Rock Wraith

9 Pride Demons - *Hybris

Forbidden One-Xebenkeck

Ancient Darkspawn Magister - Corypheus

Harvester Orsino

Most Notable non-creature or Qunari - Meredith

 

Inquisitor Defeated:

Various Demons - Envy Demon

Max 14 High Dragons of 4 different breeds - *Hakkon Avvar God

Red Lyrium Dragon - Apart of the 14

Various wildlife in Fereldan and Orlais - Wyverns and Cretahl

Guardian of A Titan

Ancient Darkspawn Magister - Corypheus

Numerous Pride Demons

Fear Demons -*Aspect of Nightmare

Forbidden One - Imshael

Few Qunari -*Saarath

Numerous Darkspawn

Librarian

Sentinel Elves

Sha-Brytol

Most notable non-creature or ancient raced - Samson/Calpernia

 

Possible Allies - post endgame story with only noteworthy allies ex: Divine Leliana is considered vs Zevran who is not due to lack of title or group

 

Warden-Commander Allies:

King/Queen of Fereldan

Morrigan(possible well boost)

Divine - leliana only

Kingdom of Fereldan - being there hero

Fereldan Wardens - Leader of that division

Fereldan Dalish Clans - Or at least the one that they helped and Ariane's Clan

Orzammar - with possible Golem support

Grey Warden Order - being the most famous member of the Age

Current Arishok - this may change depending on future events

 

 

Hawke Allies:

Viscount of Kirkwall

Kirkwall - City Guard included

Prince of Starkhaven

Isabela - Admiral in the Raiders of the Walking Sea

 

Inquisitor Allies:

Inquisition - either under the Divine or a smaller special ops group

Red Jenny

Bull's Chargers

Divine - all possible

Orlais - assumed Inquisition remains under the Divine and I assume not as much as before Trespassers

Grand Enchanter of the Circle

Knight-Commander Of Templars - if made free allies(cancels out Mage College)

Seekers - Under Cassandra

Lucerni - with Dorian

Montilyet Family

College of Enchanters -assumed if worked together as free allies(cancels out Templars)

Chantry - if under Divine

 

So based on this in the field battle wise The Warden is #1 due to experience not only time wise(having started 1st) but in more types of legendries slain. Hawke comes at #2 only because the Inquisitor is handicapped right now with only one arm. Which makes the Inquisitor #3 because of the handicap if the Inquisitor had both arms they would still be behind the warden due to lack of canon solo combat feats but beats hawke due to more legends slain.

 

Politics wise The Inquisitor has a possible more small groups backing them but they lost various countries that backed them in Trespassers. So The Warden still having the at least one country backing them and a continent wide order which they command in there respective country is #1 in that as well alone from that not counting the other allies they gained along there journey. #2 Depends on if the Inquisition is under the Divine if so then the Inquisitor has the Chantry possibly still Orlais in a small way at least and there allies. But if disbanded Hawke takes the #2 spot seeing that Varric would not choose the Inquisitor over Hawke due to years of friendship and adventure time spent givine Hawke the backing of two possible major Marcher Cities The Inquisitor would only have its shadow group and possible undertable support from the divine along with there allies, still putting the Inquisitor as #3 in that regards.

 

Overall The Warden is the most powerful because unlike the other heroes outside of there origins they haven't taken many losses in the series post Archdemon battle compared to the other two heroes. If anything there fame has continued to grow and they still kept the support of the people only being in a bad light during there journey due to Loghain. Add battle experience and adventure experience they continue to grow since they are looking for a cure for the calling a quest I doubt they will fail of screen. Next in line is Hawke especially if they find a way to defeat Nightmare if trapped in the fade with it or survive the fade period but either way they still have the support of the city they saved plus Hawke is a force by themselves without a organization. Last is the Inquisitor, without the Anchor they are just as legendary as they was with it. They just don't have the raw power of the anchor and possible being a Herald of  religion does have its perks and they are still the leader of a Organization while not as powerful is still powerful enough to being the Divine's personal guard. But when comparing legends having one arm will not due you any favors, especially when you need both just to compete against Warden and Hawke in any way. While probably a more tactical genius then Hawke they are on the same level at least as the Warden being both leaders of a group. But overall that handicap dues them no favors when comparing them to these two.

[Zlykebab]

A lot has changed, since I've said anything. And by 'lot' I mean the "Teresspasser".
(..)

Hey, why did it cloned? Sry for spamming, I didn't intended to write it twice.

[CardButton]

Hmm ... I guess it really depends on how you calculate "powerful".  

In terms of straight up combat potential I would go with the Warden, they were absurd in every respect.  

 

If your going for direct world influence then Cousland Warden (either gender) if they became King or Queen of Fereldon comes in first, in any other situation the Inquisitor is simply more powerful in regards to influence (Leader of a Nation vs Leader of an Organization sort of thing).  

 

If your going for long term influence the Inquisitor and their Inquisition win hands down.  They had so much influence with so many different powerful groups and helped to fundamentally alter the ways many of those organizations functioned that there really is no contest.

[Ghost Gal]

Warden > Inquisitor > Hawke.

[GoldenGail3]

Warden > Inquisitor > Hawke.

That seems about my awnser, lol.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

The premise of this topic is outrageously stupid since all the DA protagonists are weak aside from the little invincible curtain that they get when they are controlled by the player.

The warden was so miserable and weak that got defeated twice,once by a pack of few darkspawns in the tower of Ishal and the second one by The architect who could have killed the warden in his laboratory.

[TheKomandorShepard]

 

The premise of this topic is outrageously stupid since all the DA protagonists are weak aside from the little invincible curtain that they get when they are controlled by the player.

The warden was so miserable and weak that got defeated twice,once by a pack of few darkspawns in the tower of Ishal and the second one by The architect who could have killed the warden in his laboratory.

 

 

Except in first case The warden had to fight through entire tower of darkspawn and it was at the beginning of the game , and The architect didn't defeated HoF only drugged him/her or did something smiliar with that trap.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Except in first case The warden had to fight through entire tower of darkspawn and it was at the beginning of the game , and The architect didn't defeated HoF only drugged him/her or did something smiliar with that trap.

Expect that none of what you said change the cold facts.

-THe first case the warden was defeated by few darkspawn in the tower not by the entire Horde i will concede to you that it was not their fault because they were not the one who planned the strategy.

 

-The second case the warden got defeated in few seconds by the magic of the architect,it does not matter what tool he used (a magical trap) still the warden got defeated an the architect could have killed the warden without mercy and imho is what the warden deserved to be so stupid to enter in the enemy lair without any info about it..

[TheKomandorShepard]

 

Expect that none of what you said change the cold facts.

-THe first case the warden was defeated by few darkspawn in the tower not by the entire Horde i will concede to you that it was not their fault because they were not the one who planned the strategy.

 

-The second case the warden got defeated in few seconds by the magic of the architect,it does not matter what tool he used (a magical trap) still the warden got defeated an the architect could have killed the warden without mercy and imho is what the warden deserved to be so stupid to enter in the enemy lair without any info about it..

 

Yes it does, people don't have infinite stamina and can't battle infinitely so you can be martial arts master but eventually you will go down against overwhelming numbers of opponents.

 

Also , yes it does matter he used unconventional means that have nothing to do with fighting skills so i don't know how that suppose make someone weakling. 

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Yes it does, people don't have infinite stamina and can't battle infinitely so you can be martial arts master but eventually you will go down against overwhelming numbers of opponents.

 

Also , yes it does matter he used unconventional means that have nothing to do with fighting skills so i don't know how that suppose make someone weakling. 

it does not,the warden got defeated by few darkspawns on the tower not by the main horde so the exmple do not make sense.

 

It does not matter what kind of ability he used , the result is what it matters and that result is that he defeated the warden.

[TheKomandorShepard]

it does not,the warden got defeated by few darkspawns on the tower not by the main horde so the exmple do not make sense.

 

It does not matter what kind of ability he used , the result is what it matters and that result is that he defeated the warden.

I see you love ignore what other people have said , once again the warden had go through entire tower full of darkspawn before s/he was taken down.

 

Yes it does , you can be martial arts master and strongest living human but that doesn't mean you can't die by being blown up by explosives.

[Jedi Comedian]

Im not sure who's the strongest, but The Warden is my favourite by far, so my order is this:
Warden>Hawke=Inquisitor

[Donquijote and 59 others]

I see you love ignore what other people have said , once again the warden had go through entire tower full of darkspawn before s/he was taken down.

 

Yes it does , you can be martial arts master and strongest living human but that doesn't mean you can't die by being blown up by explosives.

I see that you insist The warden was defeated twice end of the story.

once by few darkspawn that were on the top of the tower and second by the Architect who activated the magical trap with his spell  it doesn't matter how or why,what it matters is that it happened.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

 

I see that you insist The warden was defeated twice end of the story.

once by few darkspawn that were on the top of the tower and second by the Architect who activated the magical trap with his spell  it doesn't matter how or why,what it matters is that it happened.

 

I'm probably wasting my time if I point out that the first time the arrows went in about where the Warden's heart was and the second time was knockout gas that in a realistic setting would probably work on anyone.

[TheKomandorShepard]

 

I see that you insist The warden was defeated twice end of the story.

once by few darkspawn that were on the top of the tower and second by the Architect who activated the magical trap with his spell  it doesn't matter how or why,what it matters is that it happened.

 

 

Once again yes it does matter, by your "insane troll logic" if best fighter in the world is killed in explosion or in overwhelming battle he is weakling because he didn't sniff explosion so by your standards every human is weakling because they would die as well.

 

But from what i see it is just waste of time as you doesn't seem even remotely interested in logic.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

I'm probably wasting my time if I point out that the first time the arrows went in about where the Warden's heart was and the second time was knockout gas that in a realistic setting would probably work on anyone.

It is possible to disregard the first time that the warden got defeated because it was not their fault(yet oddly enough their dog was nott injuried by the darkspawns,am i supposed to believe that the dog is bette than the wardenr now?), however the same it can't be said for the Architect.

In the latter case (The architect) it is the warden fault,despite being a warden and being able to sense darkspawn,and despite knew that the mine was the lair of powerful darkspawns they did go in there without plans and preparations and they fallen onto a stupid trap on the floor big like 1\3 of the room that even a blind would have seen and they stood there like lemons while the architect was activating it..

That is entirely the warden fault and i would have liked if the Architect would have killed the warden there like he did with Keenan and all the Orlesian GW) just to demonstrate that  those  who don't strategy ,deserve only to die.