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[Ap0crypha]

@Gankstah: Anyone could have stopped a Blight. I love my Warden, but any Warden can kill an archdemon. Not anyone could have screwed up handled what happened in Kirkwall, and not anyone could have led the Inquisition.

[blussi]

@Gankstah: Anyone could have stopped a Blight. I love my Warden, but any Warden can kill an archdemon. Not anyone could have screwed up handled what happened in Kirkwall, and not anyone could have led the Inquisition.

 

Not true. Have you played Darkspawn Chronicle? 

 

Alistair (somehow miraculously) managed to gather basically everyone at Denerim but fails to stop Archdemon nonetheless without The Warden.

[TK514]

Politically, the Inquisitor reigns supreme.

 

In a fight?  I'd give the advantage to Hawke.  Just personal preference there.

 

The HoF is no slouch in either category, but they just don't measure up.

[Trickshavv]

@Gankstah: Anyone could have stopped a Blight. I love my Warden, but any Warden can kill an archdemon. Not anyone could have screwed up handled what happened in Kirkwall, and not anyone could have led the Inquisition.

I don't think you and I played the same games.

Only Wardens can stop blights. Period. Within the first 30 minutes of Origin there are exactly two "wardens" in Fereldan. An unknown sum in Orlais. Per Origins the Wardens were nigh extinct globally because of politics. The resurgence of the wardens in Orlais was a direct result of the Warden's actions in Origins.

[Chari]

The Warden

 

The Inq can open and close rifts but HoF didn't need such fancy magic to kill an ancient God

 

Though Hawke would probably come and accidentaly **** up everything anyway

[MoonDrummer]

I don't think you and I played the same games.

Only Wardens can stop blights. Period. Within the first 30 minutes of Origin there are exactly two "wardens" in Fereldan. An unknown sum in Orlais. Per Origins the Wardens were nigh extinct globally because of politics. The resurgence of the wardens in Orlais was a direct result of the Warden's actions in Origins.

Don't want I be 'that' guy but there are actually 3 wardens in ferelden counting avernus

[Quaddis]

Hawk and his friends remind me of this.



 

[MoonDrummer]

Politically, the Inquisitor reigns supreme.

In a fight? I'd give the advantage to Hawke. Just personal preference there.

The HoF is no slouch in either category, but they just don't measure up.

You can't really said that because the wardens political influence can vary massively, being a monarch of ferelden or a paragon of orzimar. He could be more powerful through certain options such as drinking avernus' potion and whatnot

[Trickshavv]

Hawk and his friends remind me of this.

Lol'd

[Kinsz]

lol the Warden DID NOT single handedly , you gotta be pretty delusional to think that he did.

 

Anyways Inquisitor is the most powerful followed by the warden , although blood mage hawke from the trailer that kicks the arishok's ass is pretty bad ass.

[OdanUrr]

I'm more powerful than all three of them.

[Vandicus]

Hawke I believe has the highest kill count, or at the least, fights the largest quantity of enemies at a given time and survives.

 

Warden is the only one to kill an Archdemon, although that was very much a group effort. 

 

Inquisitor never killed a Harvester, though he's killed more dragons. Officially he's supposed to be the leader of an entire military organization, which makes it hard figure out what are gameplay mechanics and whether he really did spend all that time playing scout, skirmisher, and invasion force.

 

 

Hawke is the only one whose only qualification for importance is fighting though.

 

Warden? Important because of circumstance(really doesn't need to be that good a fighter).

Inquisitor? Important because of Anchor(again, doesn't need to be that good a fighter).

Hawke? Important because he's a good fighter. He is regarded as important by others for his skill in battle.

[Ryzaki]

Quizzy you can't really beat glowy hand.

 

Then Warden.

 

Then Hawke.

[Kinsz]

Hawke I believe has the highest kill count, or at the least, fights the largest quantity of enemies at a given time and survives.

 

Warden is the only one to kill an Archdemon, although that was very much a group effort. 

 

Inquisitor never killed a Harvester, though he's killed more dragons. Officially he's supposed to be the leader of an entire military organization, which makes it hard figure out what are gameplay mechanics and whether he really did spend all that time playing scout, skirmisher, and invasion force.

 

 

Hawke is the only one whose only qualification for importance is fighting though.

 

Warden? Important because of circumstance(really doesn't need to be that good a fighter).

Inquisitor? Important because of Anchor(again, doesn't need to be that good a fighter).

Hawke? Important because he's a good fighter. He is regarded as important by others for his skill in battle.

I actually i agree with that , in terms of raw fighting skills hawke beats them all imo.

[fhs33721]

I don't think you and I played the same games.

Only Wardens can stop blights. Period. Within the first 30 minutes of Origin there are exactly two "wardens" in Fereldan. An unknown sum in Orlais. Per Origins the Wardens were nigh extinct globally because of politics. The resurgence of the wardens in Orlais was a direct result of the Warden's actions in Origins.

Yes only a Warden can end the blight. However the warden isn't the only Warden in Thedas. And no the Wardens wern't extinct globally. They still had massive forces in Anderfels and apparently enough Wardens in Orlais to send a whole bunch of them to Vigils Keep directly after the blight and still have some to spare.

So basically Without the Warden Fereldan would be doomed but the other Wardens would eventually have ended the blight like they did four times before. Sorry to dissapoint you but the Warden dd not save the entirety of Thedas. 

Also s/he did not end the blight single handedly. S/he had plenty of help. Had s/he really been on her own s/he would be skeleton at the top of Ishals tower.

[legendkill3r07]

I believe that Hawke is the most naturally powerful/skilled. The thing to keep in mind though, is that the warden and inquisitor are no longer their natural, pure selves. The Warden now has the power granted by dark spawn blood and possibly supplemented that with avernus' potion. The inquisitor now has the mark. Hawke, meanwhile, has nothing supplementing them at all. So while mad props go to hawke for being as skilled as they are in their natural state, the warden and inquisitor have unnatural abilities that push them ahead. The warden seems to have gained the most from becoming a grey warden in comparison to the other heroes in history, considering how quickly they countered and ended the blight. The inquisitor has the mark and may also have the power bestowed by the well of sorrows.

So, essentially, if all things were equal, Hawke would be the strongest. The fact is, they're not. Given the fact, it's quite clear that based on abilities alone inquisitor>warden>Hawke. They're all pretty amazing regardless and I think there is a good chance that they make up the three most powerful heroes to ever live in Thedas. Assuming, of course, the next protagonist or two aren't essentially gods.

[blussi]

I actually i agree with that , in terms of raw fighting skills hawke beats them all imo.

Agreed.

[fivefingaslap18]

Here's the problem with Hawke: he's not powerful. That's his/her tragedy. S/he couldn't save his/her mother, one of his/her siblings from the darkspawn, and one of his/her other siblings from circumstance. Sure s/he killed Cory before full strength and a few dragons but that's it. No other people of note besides an Arishok and a first enchanter and a knight-captain. Then they're called the champion of the city? Guess what happens? S/he doesn't have that city to back him/her anymore. That may be the second protagonist's name but this person doesn't have the citizens' protection or help. And that's no where close to a whole country or army like the Warden or the Inquisitor. Besides that, the Warden has not only a country's love but is part of an army as well. The Grey Warden order. And it took Hawke all the time to be as powerful as could be when we meet the Champion again.

So automatically Hawke is the least powerful based upon that fact alone. Sure Hawke may have agents of people to help but nothing more. The Warden and the Inquisitor on the other hand... The Warden was as powerful as we know of by the end of Witch Hunt if still alive. 10 years have gone by. The character is either a legend or a living one... The fear that puts into enemies is staggering. The only ones that don't care are the dumb darkspawn. An archdemon slain? The most feared enemy across all of Thedas. A few other high dragons and has the help of a country and an order of soldiers. Good odds on being the favorite here.

Now we come to the Inquisitor. Now this person already is a seasoned fighter (but for game mechanic purposes starts out at level 1). The other protagonists weren't at the start of their stories. You can argue Hawke was but honestly, they were grunts. The Inquisitor can kill up to 10 high dragons. 10 dragons that due to game mechanics are much stronger and harder to end. And you can justify that by saying the other dragons were skiddish, the stronger dragons finally came, or not fully awake because there has to be justification as there's a sheer strength difference. So 10 fully powered high dragons for the Inquisitor. One fully awakened old magister/darkspawn. Already, Hawke's greatest foe is diminished here. And then the pseudo-archdemon. So sheer problems alone it looks like the Inquisitor had more issues to deal with than the Hero of Ferelden. Also, just like the Grey Warden order backs the Warden the Herald of Andraste has an army.

So Inquisitor>HoF>Hawke. Or for those that don't understand math terminology: the Inquistor is greater than the Hero of Ferelden whom is better than Hawke.

[Trickshavv]

Hawke I believe has the highest kill count, or at the least, fights the largest quantity of enemies at a given time and survives.
 
Warden is the only one to kill an Archdemon, although that was very much a group effort. 
 
Inquisitor never killed a Harvester, though he's killed more dragons. Officially he's supposed to be the leader of an entire military organization, which makes it hard figure out what are gameplay mechanics and whether he really did spend all that time playing scout, skirmisher, and invasion force.
 
 
Hawke is the only one whose only qualification for importance is fighting though.
 
Warden? Important because of circumstance(really doesn't need to be that good a fighter).
Inquisitor? Important because of Anchor(again, doesn't need to be that good a fighter).
Hawke? Important because he's a good fighter. He is regarded as important by others for his skill in battle.

That logic is inane.

If the warden wasn't a good fighter he wouldn't have did what he did. To say otherwise is obtuse especially given that we know factually via DLC if the warden wasn't there then the arch demon wouldn't have been stopped. Hawke's these single most victim of circumstance of the 3. Time and time again he and his crew f*cked up one thing after another. It was a literal miracle that the city managed to survive.

As far as Hawke vs Inquisitor? Last I checked Hawke is in the fade rotting because I commanded him to. Hawke amounts to a 20 minute snippet. He performed the same function that STROUD could have performed.

I'm not impressed.

[Kinsz]

Here's the problem with Hawke: he's not powerful. That's his/her tragedy. S/he couldn't save his/her mother, one of his/her siblings from the darkspawn, and one of his/her other siblings from circumstance. Sure s/he killed Cory before full strength and a few dragons but that's it. No other people of note besides an Arishok and a first enchanter and a knight-captain. Then they're called the champion of the city? Guess what happens? S/he doesn't have that city to back him/her anymore. That may be the second protagonist's name but this person doesn't have the citizens' protection or help. And that's no where close to a whole country or army like the Warden or the Inquisitor. Besides that, the Warden has not only a country's love but is part of an army as well. The Grey Warden order. And it took Hawke all the time to be as powerful as could be when we meet the Champion again.

 

Because the Warden could save his parents from arl howe's men right? or the inquisitor could save everyone at Haven from the venatori/red tempars? flawed logic is flawed.

[Vandicus]

That logic is inane.

If the warden wasn't a good fighter he wouldn't have did what he did. To say otherwise is obtuse especially given that we know factually via DLC if the warden wasn't there then the arch demon wouldn't have been stopped. Hawke's these single most victim of circumstance of the 3. Time and time again he and his crew f*cked up one thing after another. It was a literal miracle that the city managed to survive.

As far as Hawke vs Inquisitor? Last I checked Hawke is in the fade rotting because I commanded him to. Hawke amounts to a 20 minute snippet. He performed the same function that STROUD could have performed.

I'm not impressed.

 

The list of the Warden's heroics and his reputation don't require him to be a good fighter, let alone a great fighter. His significant accomplishments are mostly related to leadership and diplomacy.

 

Inquisitor has more political power and authority than Hawke. Doesn't really make him a good fighter, any more than the President of the United States is a better fighter than your average soldier. Sure, Inquisitor can close rifts, but that doesn't necessarily make him a great fighter.

 

Hawke's entire reputation is built on his ability to kill people. Its all Hawke does. He is not a diplomat like the Warden, uniting multiple forces against a common enemy, or a divine symbol like the Inquisitor, he's a guy who kills lots of other dudes.

 

Warden doesn't actually need to be played as a good fighter in the game(the game doesn't automatically assume he's a great fighter either), same for the Inquisitor. However in regards to Hawke, his reputation is always that of a good fighter. Game doesn't let you pretend otherwise.

[fhs33721]

As far as Hawke vs Inquisitor? Last I checked Hawke is in the fade rotting because I commanded him to. Hawke amounts to a 20 minute snippet. He performed the same function that STROUD could have performed.

I'm not impressed.

The real question here is if things actually rot in the Fade. Seriously I'm curious. I don't think there is bacteria in the fade.

[blussi]

 

Hawke's entire reputation is built on his ability to kill people. Its all Hawke does. He is not a diplomat like the Warden, uniting multiple forces against a common enemy, or a divine symbol like the Inquisitor, he's a guy who kills lots of other dudes.

 

 

This so much.

 

I'm not saying that both The Warden or The Inquisitors are less competent warrirors, but Hawke's reputation is solely built upon him/her well, basically killing stuff. And that's what I like about Hawke. He is no typical Hero or Messiah figure like the warden or the inquisitor is. Just a skilled warrior who happened to be in the middle of sh*tstorm. I really hope Bioware take this approach again with next DA protagonist. More well-executed version of DA2.

 

/fanboying

[daveliam]

Inquisitor > Warden >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hawke

 

 

Last I checked Hawke is in the fade rotting because I commanded him to. Hawke amounts to a 20 minute snippet. He performed the same function that STROUD could have performed.

I'm not impressed.

 

Exactly.

[TK514]

You can't really said that because the wardens political influence can vary massively, being a monarch of ferelden or a paragon of orzimar. He could be more powerful through certain options such as drinking avernus' potion and whatnot

 

I disagree.  Even at the Warden's most powerful, politically, they are at best a peer to the Inquisitor.  By the end of DA:I, the Inquisitor is powerful enough to dictate terms to nations.  The Inquisition is at least the equal to the Chantry.  The Warden may be a monarch, but they are monarch of a weak nation that is considered backwards bumpkins by the rest of the known world.  Their political power is not on par with that of the Inquisitor.  As for Grey Warden support, the HoF is not the First Warden.  They do not dictate, nor do we have any indication that they influence, Warden policy or troop movements.  In fact, we know that they officially stepped down as Warden Commander and Arl of Amaranthine, surrendering any political or military power those titles may have provided them.  The HoF is an important symbol, no doubt, but that still isn't enough to put them on par with the Inquisitor in the arena of politics.

 

As for pure fighting ability, it is my opinion that Hawke out-murder machines every other character we've met.  That's just the feeling I get.  If I were on the battlefield surrounded by enemies, I'd want Hawke at my side over the other two.