You can solo the entire game and i wouldn't call that game mechanics i would call that invincibility curtain of the protagonists.
And? It isn't invincibility curtain, it is plain and simple game mechanics that are there in order to make combat engaging (wouldn't want to die from a single hit hm?), it is obvious in story characters aren't taking 12 hits with 2h sword and are at worst non-leathaly injured.
And? It isn't invincibility curtain, it is plain and simple game mechanics that are there in order to make combat engaging (wouldn't want to die from a single hit hm?), it is obvious in story characters aren't taking 12 hits with 2h sword and are at worst non-leathaly injured.
How is not you have the option to not recruit anyone in DAO aside from Alistair and even then you are not forced to use him then you can pretty much finish the game on one vs everyone,that's not game mechanics that's the decision to not recruit anyone and even then you ca still finish the game.
You can solo the entire game and i wouldn't call that game mechanics i would call that invincibility curtain of the protagonists.
That's why I'm avoiding stuff like "my character solo'd the game so is invincibly", and other game mechanics shenanigans, and instead using the codex entries to explain the power of the monsters in universe.
One mook hurlock can defeat various opponents on its own, one golem is equivalent to one dwarven battalion, the Queen of Blackmarsh is stated to be stronger than your average high dragon when she was alive (so, she is even stronger in her magic-like ghost form), or that Hawke impressed Flemeth by killing an ogre on his/her own, making killing stuff like the Children an even more impressive feat.
That stuff is recognized in-universe as truth, regardless of the game mechanics of the games, that have evolved and changed since Origins.
How is not you have the option to not recruit anyone in DAO aside from Alistair and even then you are not forced to use him then you can pretty much finish the game on one vs everyone,that not game mechanics that the decision to not recruit anyone and even then you ca still finish the game.
It is unrelated, you can simply either kill your opponents alone or with Alistair that is about it.When it comes to large battles you spend almost whole game gathering allies, not solo so i don't see a problem.
That's why I'm avoiding stuff like "my character solo'd the game so is invincibly", and other game mechanics shenanigans, and instead using the codex entries to explain the power of the monsters in universe.
One mook hurlock can defeat various opponents on its own, one golem is equivalent to one dwarven battalion, the Queen of Blackmarsh is stated to be stronger than your average high dragon when she was alive (so, she is even stronger in her magic-like ghost form), or that Hawke impressed Flemeth by killing an ogre on his/her own, making killing stuff like the Children an even more impressive feat.
That stuff is recognized in-universe as truth, regardless of the game mechanics of the games, that have evolved and changed since Origins.
I think is a good approach the Queen of Blackmarsh was able to defeat the entire village and was only disassembled by the blood magic of an even more monstrous abomination yet you can defeat it on one vs one with the warden because you cannot lose and if you lose you have to just reload that save game.
It is unrelated, you can simply either kill your opponents alone or with Alistair that is about it.When it comes to large battles you spend almost whole game gathering allies, not solo so i don't see a problem.
You spend the game in the brecilian forest with 50 if not more werewolves that wait you,in the deep roads with 100+ darkspawn that wait you not to mention all the abominations in the tower from whom Gregoir and his mens(all experts templars) had to flee yet you can defeat them and all of this on one vs everyone
You spend the game in the brecilian forest with 50 if not more werewolves that wait you,in the deep roads with 100+ darkspawn that wait you not to mention all the abominations in the tower from whom Gregior and his mens(all experts templars) had to flee yet you can defeat them and all of this on one vs everyone..
And are you fighting with 50 werewolves at the same time?Plus, Gregoir and his men were taken by suprise, not to mention i would imagine that Gregior priority would be ensuring that abomnations wouldn't leave the tower (rightly).Aside from that dragon age world has magical/mechanical gadgets to help you in combat as we can see in comics.
I love it like Madara against the ninja coalition one vs everyone and he still won ahaha i will solo the game next time it's more kind of a wish fulfillment.
And are you fighting with 50 werewolves at the same time?Plus, Gregoir and his men were taken by suprise, not to mention i would imagine that Gregior priority would be ensuring that abomnations wouldn't leave the tower (rightly).
Well i'm pretty sure in the deep roads or in Denerim you can kill all the darkspawns on one vs everyone without using Oghren or calling reinforcements and there are many battles in which they are more than 20 at once.
Well i'm pretty sure in the deep roads or in Denerim you can kill all the dark spawns on one vs everyone without using Oghren or calling reinforcements and there many battles in whcih they are more than 20 at once.
You still have to have Oghren in your party so in story he most likely participates in combat, regardless if you use him in gameplay or not.
Well, maybe Meredith was just that badass, idol was for some reason special or it was Varric exaggerated story.
We're almost certainly meant to conclude that it's the same sword, so the idol being special shouldn't matter to this discussion. Varric exaggerating is one option, but he sticks by it in a tone of voice that I would describe as somewhat haunted but mostly casual during a throwaway line in DA:I where he tries to communicate to the Inquisitor just how bad the stuff is. The line in question doesn't sound like someone who's trying to tell a spooky story to scare someone: it sounds like someone describing the events that mildly scarred him a few years ago that he's mostly not over. (Though as an aside, until Inquisition came out I was mostly sure he was exaggerating there.)
Maybe Meredith is just that badass, but it doesn't strike me as a sufficient explanation for her being more powerful despite having only one of the two or three (depending on whether you broke the armor) sources of red lyrium power Samson used.
Wasn't sometimes Meredith sword completly destroyed before she turned into the statue?
I'm nearly certain it wasn't.
You still have to have Oghren in your party so in story he most likely participates in combat, regardless if you use him in gameplay or not.
As i said there are instances of many battles with many opponents all killed in single combat
Caladrius,Uldred even the Achdemon which can be defeated with all those minions in one vs everyone.
We're almost certainly meant to conclude that it's the same sword, so the idol being special shouldn't matter to this discussion. Varric exaggerating is one option, but he sticks by it in a tone of voice that I would describe as somewhat haunted but mostly casual during a throwaway line in DA:I where he tries to communicate to the Inquisitor just how bad the stuff is. The line in question doesn't sound like someone who's trying to tell a spooky story to scare someone: it sounds like someone describing the events that mildly scarred him a few years ago that he's mostly not over. (Though as an aside, until Inquisition came out I was mostly sure he was exaggerating there.)
Maybe Meredith is just that badass, but it doesn't strike me as a sufficient explanation for her being more powerful despite having only one of the two or three (depending on whether you broke the armor) sources of red lyrium power Samson used.
I'm nearly certain it wasn't.
Well i decided to check it, it does explode ,so maybe it lost it's orginal power when Meredith overheated it.
As for being badass, another explanation may be that Samson simply wasn't able to utilize his abilities as well as Meredith was due mostly consisting on red lyrium rather than skills as he spend 7+ years as a off duty junkie, while Meredith was active KC, another possible factor was that Meredith potentially had a sword longer than Samson.
As i said there are instances of many battles with many opponents all killed in single combat
Caladrius,Uldred even the Achdemon which can be defeated with all those minions in one vs everyone.
If i recall correctly im pretty sure you can't solo Archdemon, as at least Arl Eamon will come up with help (there might be otheres as well).As for others example im pretty sure i never argued that you can't solo those.
Considering that the Inquisitor kills a dozen dragons, as well as a pseudo-archdemon without even being a warden, and may even command a high dragon, I would say he's the strongest.
If i recall correctly im pretty sure you can't solo Archdemon, as at least Arl Eamon will come up with help (there might be otheres as well).As for others example im pretty sure i never argued that you can't solo those.
Irving and Eamon two old men that have no weight in that battle in fact they both are defeated pretty quickly than the PC is alone vs Archdemon+ neverending minions.
Well i decided to check it, it does explode ,so maybe it lost it's orginal power when Meredith overheated it.
I'd be more inclined to believe that it's stronger after it's reforged given that Corypheus apparently reforged it using his own power and that of the Orb. But even if I conceded this point that shouldn't explain why actually drinking the red lyrium doesn't grant Samson as much power or more, and while I've never fought him while he was still wearing the armor I've never heard that the armor made him anywhere near as dangerous as Meredith either... and it should make him at least as dangerous since I think an entire suit of armor should have more lyrium than the sword does. And that's not to get into the fact that he's using the sword in combination with the other source(s).
As for being badass, another explanation may be that Samson simply wasn't able to utilize his abilities as well as Meredith was due mostly consisting on red lyrium rather than skills as he spend 7+ years as a off duty junkie, while Meredith was active KC, another possible factor was that Meredith potentially had a sword longer than Samson.
This could explain Samson not being as physically strong or as agile, but since he's been trained to use red lyrium effectively by the closest thing to an expert on the subject, and just has so much more of it than Meredith, you'd expect his magic to be at least as strong... and it isn't. He uses basically no magic at all apart from the boost to his brawn the armor grants him.
Word of Dev from Asunder had Wynee stating that the Mage HoF was a force of nature and incredibly powerful; and this is before Solas drops the Veil! so the only one I can see killing Solas in a one on one battle is the Mage HoF. (Mines alive as are many others so is possible).
*Solas as a Evanuris (yes he is) as the most powerful after absorbing most of Flemmythal's powers,
*veil still up HoF a close second then equal or stronger when veil drops due to natural ability and Avernus research, also unknown discoveries when looking for Cure to Calling
*if anchor like abilities develop in Inky from exposure to crossroads and original anchor then possibly as powerful as HoF when veil drops
*Hawke (dead in my canon) not even close
Word of Dev from Asunder had Wynee stating that the Mage HoF was a force of nature and incredibly powerful; and this is before Solas drops the Veil! so the only one I can see killing Solas in a one on one battle is the Mage HoF. (Mines alive as are many others so is possible).
Asunder the book?DOn'tthey follow the standard dalish elf female for the books?
Irving and Eamon two old men that have no weight in that battle in fact they both are defeated pretty quickly than the PC is alone vs Archdemon+ neverending minions.
You mean in gameplay they have no weight in battle.In story Irving is FE pretty, he is archmage and he is powerful enough to at least defeat desire demon on his own.While Eamon isn't that old he is 46 years old (sure, ain't at his peak but still)) and is war veteran.Plus, there is ballista around to help you and as i there are magical/mechanical gadgets in-universe that would help you combat.
I'd be more inclined to believe that it's stronger after it's reforged given that Corypheus apparently reforged it using his own power and that of the Orb. But even if I conceded this point that shouldn't explain why actually drinking the red lyrium doesn't grant Samson as much power or more, and while I've never fought him while he was still wearing the armor I've never heard that the armor made him anywhere near as dangerous as Meredith either... and it should make him at least as dangerous since I think an entire suit of armor should have more lyrium than the sword does. And that's not to get into the fact that he's using the sword in combination with the other source(s).
This could explain Samson not being as physically strong or as agile, but since he's been trained to use red lyrium effectively by the closest thing to an expert on the subject, and just has so much more of it than Meredith, you'd expect his magic to be at least as strong... and it isn't. He uses basically no magic at all apart from the boost to his brawn the armor grants him.
Not necessarily, assuming there was something special about idol and Meredith sword it's potential could have been severely trampled when Merdith "overheated" it leading it to losing most of it's orginal power, so even if Corypheus enhanced it's power he would only enhance material that has a fraction of it's former potential.Samson armor might not have been as potent red lyrium as Meredith sword was.
Samson was drinking red lyrium in order to enhance his strength, but the same doesn't equatate to having a skill.Meredith was in the possession of idol at least 3 years, we don't know how much how much he spend exposed to red lyrium.Not to mention that active KC would have much more control over her abilities than a Junkie than spend 7+ off duty.Even if red lyrium boosted his physical strength and with his friend help he was able to utilize red lyrium as an armor doesn't mean he was able to control his abilities as well as Meredith. I also want to mention that Meredith went all out to the point her sword exploded and it turned her into a statue.So assuming he even could go to Meredith power level he didn't.
I love it like Madara against the ninja coalition one vs everyone and he still won ahaha i will solo the game next time it's more kind of a wish fulfillment.
Name your next warden Madara then solo the game that way is believable.
You mean in gameplay they have no weight in battle.In story Irving is FE pretty, he is archmage and he is powerful enough to at least defeat desire demon on his own.While Eamon isn't that old he is 46 years old
Whatever they are more weak than the alpha who easily defeated them both in my game let alone the archdemon which they barely touched.
Whatever they are more weak than the alpha who easily defeated them both in my game let alone the archdemon which they barely touched.
Yeah, well...
Considering that the Inquisitor kills a dozen dragons, as well as a pseudo-archdemon without even being a warden, and may even command a high dragon, I would say he's the strongest.
Seeing that Archdemons, the real ones, are in a whole different level than normal high dragons as they are able to command powerful Blight magic (their breath is described as a vortex "of darkness both spiritual and physical" that is identified as magical but having no connection to the Fade in the Last Flight novel), can spread the Taint disease, have real intelligence unlike high dragons, and can command entire hordes of darkspawn, I don't see how you can compare Corypheus fake archdemon (that was only a high dragon on steroids without even the ability to spread the Taint) with a true Archdemon.
Story-wise, the only dragon Inky fought that was on a comparable level with an Archdemon was Hakkon, and Hakkon didn't have stuff like Blight magic or the Taint disease, making it even weaker than Urthemiel.
Seeing that Archdemons, the real ones, are in a whole different level than normal high dragons as they are able to command powerful Blight magic (their breath is described as a vortex "of darkness both spiritual and physical" that is identified as magical but having no connection to the Fade in the Last Flight novel), can spread the Taint disease, have real intelligence unlike high dragons, and can command entire hordes of darkspawn, I don't see how you can compare Corypheus fake archdemon (that was only a high dragon on steroids without even the ability to spread the Taint) with a true Archdemon.
Story-wise, the only dragon Inky fought that was on a comparable level with an Archdemon was Hakkon, and Hakkon didn't have stuff like Blight magic or the Taint disease, making it even weaker than Urthemiel.
As is a blighted creature, the Archdemon can control the pet dragon as well (as both, Ruck and Tamlen can confirm that blighted creatures are also under command of the Archdemon, regardless if they aren't true darkspawn), making the poor thing lost her mind as both Cory and the Archdemon try to command her. Then, the Archdemon most likely will torn apart the poor dragon, and we will see a fight between technically two "immortal" beings.
As is a blighted creature, the Archdemon can control the pet dragon as well (as both, Ruck and Tamlen can confirm that blighted creatures are also under command of the Archdemon, regardless if they aren't true darkspawn), making the poor thing lost her mind as both Cory and the Archdemon try to command her. Then, the Archdemon most likely will torn apart the poor dragon, and we will see a fight between technically two "immortal" beings.
The archdemon is unable to control or manipulate blighted critters that have a will of their own like the Grey wardens,the disciples,The Architect,ecc..
The red lyrium dragon is imbued with a soul of it's own(the one of Corypheus) so it cannot be controlled by the Archdemon it answer only to Corypheus.
Not necessarily, assuming there was something special about idol and Meredith sword it's potential could have been severely trampled when Merdith "overheated" it leading it to losing most of it's orginal power, so even if Corypheus enhanced it's power he would only enhance material that has a fraction of it's former potential.Samson armor might not have been as potent red lyrium as Meredith sword was.
Yeah, but how likely is it that there's a big enough quality difference between the original idol and the rest of it that the original sword without Corypheus's enhancements grants that much more power than the Orb-enhanced sword plus the red lyrium in Samson's body plus the armor? If Bioware actually thought of a reason for this (which we have seen no evidence of) this probably isn't it.
Samson was drinking red lyrium in order to enhance his strength, but the same doesn't equatate to having a skill.Meredith was in the possession of idol at least 3 years, we don't know how much how much he spend exposed to red lyrium.Not to mention that active KC would have much more control over her abilities than a Junkie than spend 7+ off duty.Even if red lyrium boosted his physical strength and with his friend help he was able to utilize red lyrium as an armor doesn't mean he was able to control his abilities as well as Meredith.
Meredith was self-taught. Samson had Corypheus, who is probably the closest thing to someone who understands red lyrium due to his mastery of both lyrium and the Blight and his knowledge that red lyrium is both, teaching him how to use it. It would be odd for Meredith to understand red lyrium better than he does.
I also want to mention that Meredith went all out to the point her sword exploded and it turned her into a statue.So assuming he even could go to Meredith power level he didn't.
This is the best explanation, but still not a satisfying one. Given how long Meredith was able to go, and how much power she had, you'd think Samson would have taken that risk when things really started not going his way at the Well.
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