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[LenaMarie]

1:1 I'd go with the Warden. Not only does the Warden (Origin Warden not the Orlesian from Awakening) have much more experience, the Warden has pretty much Legendary level gear, like Vigilince and the black Volcanic Aurium armor both from Awakening. Neither Champion of Inquisitor has that. Also the Warden is a accomplished Military Commander, which neither Champion or Inquisitor is. Lets not forget the the tainted blood gives the Warden many advantages.

 

However overall I'd go with the Inquisitor, even if the Warden is King/Queen of Orzammer and a Paragon or the Warden is King/Queen of Fereldan, the Inquisition has both Templars and Mages no matter what choice you make, even if either is in smaller numbers due to who you sided with. Thats in addition to the Inquisition Military forces which include scout divisons, and army divisions along with Mercenary companies like Bull's Chargers. The inquisition due to its clout with Orlais could likely also bring the fabled Orlesian Cheveliars into the fight as well which would be too much for Fereldan or Orzammar to handle on its own.

 

Lets clear up one thing though, the inquisitor does have leadership experience but only SpecOps - Small unit ability and high level leadership akin to a King or a President. Lore states very clearly Cullen is the Military Commander for the Inquisition and the Inquisitor NEVER directly leads military forces into battle.

 

The Warden on the other hand is officially credited as leading the Fereldan Military and allied forces into battle and in both Origins and Awakening has had direct control over military forces, something the Inquisitor never does. So ultimately in any kind of war it would be the Warden's Military Leadership vs Cullen's Military Leadership, which is a whole other debate, since Cullen technically has not won any full scale battle to date. 

 

*Spoilers* He lost both Haven and the Temple battle, afterall Cory and his goons broke through his lines. The Warden However won both the Battle of Denerim and the Battle of Amaranthine/Warden's Keep depending on your choices, although it might have been closer to a draw in Awakening.

[Chuvvy]

Gameplay? Arcane Warrior + BM + and Spirit Healer warden > knight enchanter Quiz > Force Mage + BM/Spirit Healer Hawke

Lore? Incredibly debateble.

[Abaddon_86]

Didn't you see Corypheus die?

 

It looked more like he was sending him into the Fade... though on second thought, that would have been what he wanted all along. So yeah, I guess it tore him asunder.

Still, apparently he can only do it against immobile opponents, so not really of use against the Warden/Hawke.

[cronshaw]

My dad can beat them all up

[Vicarious117]

How do you know a rift has such an impact on the organic body? You don't. Pure speculation.

 

Well actually, it's not speculation that you're right! lol

 

There are no documented events of rifts EVER opening in anything other then open space, since it's a gateway between planes and not of any solid form.  So opening a rift inside of someone would do nothing to them physically.  They might be thrown into the fade or just stand there, but it would not "rip them apart" lol

 

As for Cory, he was bonded to the orb and thus partially to the fade, which is why the inquisitor was most likely able to kill him that way and no one else in the entire game.  Don't forget the other fade abilities would only do damage to most enemies but instantly kill many fade creatures.

[Han Master]

Well actually, it's not speculation that you're right! lol
 
There are no documented events of rifts EVER opening in anything other then open space, since it's a gateway between planes and not of any solid form.  So opening a rift inside of someone would do nothing to them physically.  They might be thrown into the fade or just stand there, but it would not "rip them apart" lol

Which means we will be seeing Corypheus again.

[Fishy]

Warden: 

ancient lady of forest / ancient elf 

ancient paragon / actual paragon

Loghain

Fade and tower filled with demons

mountain cult

carta

blight - broodmother and corrupted old god

possesed children

 

optional : Speaking darkspawn, demons

 

Inquisitor:

cultists

templars/mages

fade 

magister + corrupted dragon but with help of another dragon

 

optional: killing a dragons

 

Hawke:

deep roads thaig

Arishok

Mage/templars war

Corrypheus 

 

optional: dragons and demons

 

Only thing which makes Inquisitor stronger is an anchor, but overall is Warden far more experienced. Otherwise you still can`t compare inquisitior which is somehow leading an inquisition with the characters which were not leading at all, Hawke is just a Hawke - wrong time and wrong place, while Warden was using a treaties of already existing organisation in which he/she was just recruited.

 

You have forgotten the Architech and Flemeth for my Warden and a spectral dragon 

[Han Master]

You have forgotten the Architech and Flemeth for my Warden and a spectral dragon 

He also missed out dragons and high dragons with them at full health, once the warden needs to deal with 2 dragons at once.

[Fishy]

He also missed out dragons and high dragons with them at full health, once the warden needs to deal with 2 dragons at once.

 

The Golem of Amgarakk too. Warden >>>> Inq

 

[KaiserShep]

Which means we will be seeing Corypheus again.

 

I really doubt that, or at least, I sure hope not. I'd like to think that this joker is done for good. I mean really, does Corypheus have to be thwarted nine times in order to be truly defeated or something? The frak outta here with that.

[Mecha Elf]

The inquisitor is the toughest in lore perspective... although my warden is a bard and assassin which is pretty badass. 

[teh DRUMPf!!]

YMMV between the Inquisitor and Hawke, but The Warden is the clear #1 IMO: three specs, possibly with Avernus's potion & dragon blood on top of that. 'Nuff said.

[Alien1099]

Mark of the Rift ability and the ability to open and close rifts (including inside of somebody) puts the Inquisitor in another league.

[Gamyu]

Apparently, from now on every argument with Inquisitor vs whoever will be "ability to open rifts". Really need to focus on the 3 protagonists skills, not special power or army.

[dantares83]

I have not finish the game yet but I go with the Inquisitor. the ability to open/close rifts and enter the fade physically pawns even my Warden and his Storm of the Century.

 

Hawke is just a baby compared to them.

[MadMaximoff]

The Inquisitor in terms of power (If Mage)

Reason is as described by Solas, the Inquisitor is entirely resistant to becoming an Abomination and can command the raw power of the Fade itself through the Anchor (the Breach closing was with the Anchor without its potential).

They can Fade walk at whim, attract the veil to create a barrier that protects them from harm and instantly disintegrate Demons or inflict massive/mortal harm against even the strongest of foes.

While the Warden is indeed strong and a combat Veteran, they had trouble when facing Demons, especially Rage Demons (they were notoriously difficult for the warden) The Inquisitor disposes of Demons constantly and even faces off and defeats Darkspawn without being exposed to the Taint (these Darkspawn are Blight survivors so are arguably stronger than your regular run of the mill Darkspawn)

Hawke isn't in the same league as either but it'd still come down to the battlefield choice however and this is where the Wardens experience would be an asset.

The Warden can win the battle if they choose a battlefield where the veil is thin, thus decreasing the Anchors potential. Somewhere like the Deep Roads or the Korathi Wilds would be the ideal battleground.

However anywhere where the veil is stronger in presence (Temple of Sacred Ashes, Ancient Tevinter Ruins, the Mage Tower ruins, etc) the Inquisitor has a distinct upper hand.

So the Inquisitor wins most scenarios but it's not an easy win and its certainly close.

[Incanus]

Also if we compare the defeated enemies i also would say Warden. Defeated 2 Blights (including the mother), high dragons, flemeth (a god) and a magister like Corypheus (the Architect). Far more impressive in my books.

[Nefla]

As an individual, I'd have to say the warden, but politically it would be the inquisitor. Hawke had the best hair at least (until DA:I).

[Gamyu]

Guess we can't get away from Mark of Rift power argument.

It has been 10 years or so since the Warden drank Avernus Potion. We don't know the full effects of that potion. I can argue that after 10 years, the potion gave the Warden power to control Darkspawns, transfer his/her soul to a tainted body when s/he died, or some overpowered ability like tainting anyone by just looking at that person.

[Gamyu]

As an individual, I'd have to say the warden, but politically it would be the inquisitor. Hawke had the best hair at least (until DA:I).

By just spreading rumor of the truth that the Inquisitor is not the Herald of Andraste, but just a thief who was at the wrong place and the wrong time can easily shake that political power.

[Nefla]

By just spreading rumor of the truth that the Inquisitor is not the Herald of Andraste, but just a thief who was at the wrong place and the wrong time can easily shake that political power.

Though by the end of the game, the inquisitor already has a large armed force, a very defensible fortress, is potentially very close with the new divine, and has saved the world rather than just one city or country. I think it would take more than some nay-saying to make people forget that.

[Dustin Mock]

Pretty much canon that the Warden is tops here.  

 

Cassandra says the Warden was her first choice to lead the Inquisition, but when they couldn't find him/her the next choice was Hawke.

 

Warden > Arch Demon > Flemmeth Dragon > Morrigan Dragon = Red Lyrium Dragon (which lots of characters commented that it wasn't on par with an Archdemon)

 

Pretty sure the Architect controlled the blight/darkspawn without the need of red lyrium, so he's above Cory in my book.  

 

Warden had to be Deus Ex Machina'ed out of town by Bioware.  

 

I'm all but certain the Warden is way above the Inquisitor on the food chain in Thedas.  

[Gold Dragon]

Warden casts Fireball.

Hawke casts Fireball.

Inquisitor casts Fireball.

 

When the three fireballs impact, the magic then combines into a collssal firestorm that obliterates everything and everyone within a couple dozen fett of the impact, including the three combatants.  No survivors.

 

Incidentally, the destruction rips the veil open, and Desire Demons spill out and try to seduce everyone.

[Gamyu]

Though by the end of the game, the inquisitor already has a large armed force, a very defensible fortress, is potentially very close with the new divine, and has saved the world rather than just one city or country. I think it would take more than some nay-saying to make people forget that.

A large armed force that follow you because they believe that you're the Herald. Just look at many of those people at the beginning of the game who started to question their belief. Just shake the soldiers' belief and at least some will start to question.
If you want to talk about the Inquisitor's relation with the new Divine, I'll bring up the Leliana's relationship. Do you think your spymaster/possible new Divine will side with the Inquisitor who she know for only a few months, or the Warden who is her possible lover or someone she know for 10 years. Leliana can also persuade Josy to join, so that leave you with just your armed force. Even the game stated that the Inquisition function correctly only because of Leliana.

[Vicarious117]

Which means we will be seeing Corypheus again.

 

Yeah it's too bad I didn't address this at anytime in my post right above your own....... oh wait:

 

As for Cory, he was bonded to the orb and thus partially to the fade, which is why the inquisitor was most likely able to kill him that way and no one else in the entire game.  Don't forget the other fade abilities would only do damage to most enemies but instantly kill many fade creatures.

 

Also now that I think of it, for a Rift to have enough power to rip a person to utter shreds it would have to exert IMMENSE power even from proximity, meaning getting too close would also at least severely hurt the person in question if not also out-right destroy them, yes?  Now I'll grant that in DA:I you and your party are generally too far for this to really be considered, and just about all the rifts have previously been opened before you even get there, so let's look back at DA:A....

 

The First opens a rift to the fade using something the Mother gave him, and he does so feet away from the Warden, who comes out of it unharmed and like I said earlier was simply pulled into the fade, not destroyed.  Using the ONLY instance in DA lore where a person unconnected to the fade came into direct contact with a rift opening we can see that in doing so they are forced into the fade, not obliterated by it.  With this knowledge we can safely assume that if the Inquisitor tried to open a rift "inside" the Warden, who is not connected to the fade in any way, it would simply suck him into the fade.

 

I probably went a bit too deep in this, but honestly lore based discussions are quite intriguing to me, I can't help it lol