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Who's more powerful? The Warden, Hawke or the Inquisitor?


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#201
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Its all coincidental. Hawke doesn't even need a mention. Its between the Warden and the Inquisitor. Although I doubt that the Wardens would ever have to answer to the inquisition directly nor do would they fall under its authority.

 

Gameplay wise I must say Warden is still the most powerful experience. The inquisitor is a little too flowery for my taste nor is hardened by tragic life experience before the encounter. He/she is merely a chosen one by chance. Almost in the right place at the right time just like Hawke.



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Yeah it's too bad I didn't address this at anytime in my post right above your own....... oh wait:



Also now that I think of it, for a Rift to have enough power to rip a person to utter shreds it would have to exert IMMENSE power even from proximity, meaning getting too close would also at least severely hurt the person in question if not also out-right destroy them, yes? Now I'll grant that in DA:I you and your party are generally too far for this to really be considered, and just about all the rifts have previously been opened before you even get there, so let's look back at DA:A....

The First opens a rift to the fade using something the Mother gave him, and he does so feet away from the Warden, who comes out of it unharmed and like I said earlier was simply pulled into the fade, not destroyed. Using the ONLY instance in DA lore where a person unconnected to the fade came into direct contact with a rift opening we can see that in doing so they are forced into the fade, not obliterated by it. With this knowledge we can safely assume that if the Inquisitor tried to open a rift "inside" the Warden, who is not connected to the fade in any way, it would simply suck him into the fade.

I probably went a bit too deep in this, but honestly lore based discussions are quite intriguing to me, I can't help it lol

Wrong, even in the ending cut scene the inquisition said to Corypheus if he wants to entered the fade so much then he will go there and then moves him to the fade without the anchor support. Which means he got tranferred to the fade by the Inquisition while the Corypheus hopes he dies there or is trapped.

#203
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Well, mage Warden does have more spells at his/her command then Hawke or the Inquisitor. He can heal, shapeshift, plus the Power of Blood, and the whole taint thingy....   All my guys are mages and have a ton of power. My thinking, probably the Warden and the Inquisitor are a match. Hawke is no walk in the park either but the other two edge him out. 



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no one is going to answer this question objectively by the way OP

everyone is going to pick their favorite game and say the main character from that game is the most powerful

because that is the character they enjoyed playing the most


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Wrong, even in the ending cut scene the inquisition said to Corypheus if he wants to entered the fade so much then he will go there and then moves him to the fade without the anchor support. Which means he got tranferred to the fade by the Inquisition while the Corypheus hopes he dies there or is trapped.

 

That doesn't make any sense though, Cory had demon support and wanted to enter the fade again to attack the seat of the maker, so I don't really think he cared if he was sent there by force or not as long as he made it in physically.  Which of course leads me to believe the Inquisitor MUST have known this as well (since it seems to obvious) and therefore would not just give Cory what he wanted, and that was just a smirk little tease at the fact that he used a rift to destroy Cory, something the magister had wanted for so long.

 

Unless Bioware just left a gigantic whole in their plot again like they did in ME3, guess I wouldn't be surprised.  Or they could just want to bring Cory back again, which would be annoying but could be there plan.... I hope not....

 

But nonetheless if you are correct then my point about the Warden not being torn apart by a rift is even more solid.  Win-Win in the end lol



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no one is going to answer this question objectively by the way OP

everyone is going to pick their favorite game and say the main character from that game is the most powerful

because that is the character they enjoyed playing the most

 

It's still interesting to see people's opinions.



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I feel able to answer this question finally with - The Inquisitor

Spoiler

 

Gotta disagree. She is powerful, more powerful than other characters. But hardly godlike. 

Well...depending on  your definition. I think Pre-crisis superman and planet busting Thor are godlike, even Dragon Ball Z characters. 

But Dragon age? Meh. Not really god like. 



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Its all coincidental. Hawke doesn't even need a mention. Its between the Warden and the Inquisitor. Although I doubt that the Wardens would ever have to answer to the inquisition directly nor do would they fall under its authority.

 

Gameplay wise I must say Warden is still the most powerful experience. The inquisitor is a little too flowery for my taste nor is hardened by tragic life experience before the encounter. He/she is merely a chosen one by chance. Almost in the right place at the right time just like Hawke.

 

Is that so? I remember the Inquisitor telling the Grey Wardens to vacate southern Thedas for good. The Inquisiton would crush the Wardens if it ever came to that.



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No Wardens= bye bye world, there is no greater cause than the Wardens, plus the sacrifices they must commit in order to become a Warden.

 

However.... to answer your question op, I think in terms of "power level" I think the inquisitor is more powerful albeit only slightly above the Warden, because of that conveniently placed Anchor, but with no Anchor?? Warden hands down there's no contest.

 

Organization power is debatable since most wardens surface only during blights. No blight= wardens can do whatever they want they can even go join the inquisition if they so desire.

 

Also I'm surprised Sandal isn't in there... he would blow them all into oblivion lol.



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Is that so? I remember the Inquisitor telling the Grey Wardens to vacate southern Thedas for good. The Inquisiton would crush the Wardens if it ever came to that.

 

Do you really have to tell them to leave for good? is there no option for a temporary leave until Corypheus is dead?



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Any rogue with that alchemist tree apparently can kill a high dragon in 12seconds if you know how.



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Are we really arguing this?  It's like giving superpower to one guy in a 3-man deathmatch and then ask who will win.  Of course the guy with superpower will win.  Take away the Anchor, and make this a fair fight.  In this case, my money on the Warden.



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The meta answer is the Warden, because with the dlc you don't even need to cheat to reach the cap of lvl 35, and the other two have a cap of 30. Plus all the stuff you could spec into. I mean, champion, reaver, templar, spirit warrior combo is pretty OP.

Now with my canons? I gotta go with my Warden, the man is just a beast. My femrogue Hawke would crap her pants and hope she can outrun him fast. And I mean fast, pretty sure my Warden would take longer to tire, heavy armor and all. With the inquisitor? He would need THE lucky shot with a focus ability or the rift thing (I'm treating abilities as inuniverse things you can do). If not he doesn't stand a chance. My warden is just better trained, a veteran and has been amassing so much stats (remember when you gained strength, dexterity...from the fade? or the abilities gaining books...) that the fight would probably go as one sided as Cory vs Inq in Haven, and Inq would probably not be able to pull the trebuchet thing.

(if I don't define Inq more is because I'm still trying to define what combination is going to be my canon. I'd wish my Hawke was a mage, but Bethany)
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#214
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warden > inquisitor > hawke


my warden was a templar, reaver, spirit warrior, two weapon fighter with the power of blood

he already manipulated the fade he could just not control rifts 

 

 

edit do to misremebering 



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Warden casts Fireball.

Hawke casts Fireball.

Inquisitor casts Fireball.

 

When the three fireballs impact, the magic then combines into a collssal firestorm that obliterates everything and everyone within a couple dozen fett of the impact, including the three combatants.  No survivors.

 

Incidentally, the destruction rips the veil open, and Desire Demons spill out and try to seduce everyone.

 

Inquisitor doesn't have a Fireball spell.

 

Therefore the Inquisitor is the weakest.



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Inquisitor and Hawke have less skills on their bar (they are console dudes !)

 

Warden is Glorious PC Master Race, therefore, Warden win ! :P


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Probably not going to be very popular - but I'm gonna go with Hawke for combat ability. My Hawke mage was just indestructible, and she didn't need no Darkspawn blood (Warden), Dragon blood (optional Warden/Inq), Mark (Inq), or anything. I remember so many times someone trying to capture or ambush Hawke, to no avail. She was barely a noble, but managed to survive as an apostate until she grew of age, and she also beat Cory 1v1 without the might of the inquisition or the whole of Ferelden behind her. 

 

But... probably Warden, let's be honest. I love Hawke to death, but nobody can beat the odds like the Hero of Ferelden. 

 

"Real world power" (the whisper in the darkness) it's the Inquisitor hands down. I mean, towards the end you practically rule a nation. Two in my case, since I got Orlais and the mages answering to me. 



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Been waiting for this topic.  This can be difficult to judge with the three characters each having such fluctuating levels of power depending on choices throughout the game, classes, specs, etc.  With that said, here's my examination of each of the three characters.

 

The Warden is treated like a wrecking ball nearly whenever mentioned.  They have famed skill even before the games begin, often which has Duncan seeking them out in hopes of recruiting them.  That's not much on its own, but then you see some of the abilities the Warden can obtain and some of the comments characters make.  Being able to become an Arcane Warrior and a Spirit Healer and a Battle Mage and a Blood Mage.  Or a Spirit Warrior/Reaver/Berserker/Templar.  Or look at some of the Awakening skills, in which the character can undergo grueling meditation and training in order to reach untapped reserves of stamina and fortitude.  Look at some of the fights.  Sure, there's the basic assortment of pride demons, a Forbidden One, high dragon, all that fun stuff.  But then it's not just any pride demon, but one so powerful they managed to pull an entire village across the veil.  Not just any golem, but a 20 foot tall, superheated solid iron golem.  Not just any high dragon, but one touched by the fade.  Oh yeah, and a couple gods and an ancient magister as well.  We get characters like Wynne telling us she'd never seen anything nearly so terrifying and ferocious as the archdemon...except the Warden.  We get Cassandra looking for the Warden first above all else.  We get others calling this character a one man army.  We might call into question the Warden's ability to lead an army in comparison to others, but getting down to it I think it's difficult to argue that this is THE badass of the Dragon Age universe.

 

Hawke...  Thing with Hawke is it has always been difficult to say where Varric's exaggerations end, exactly.  Did he kill 50 people every time he went down the street to pound back a couple pints?  Doubtful.  Did he duel the Arishok?  Yes.  I don't think much a case can be made for Hawke as the strongest character.  Aside from their story being absolutely littered with personal failures, I think it's rather telling that the stories that Varric recalls first (should the worst happen) is not some grand martial feat, but rather confounding an opponent without ever drawing steel.  Is Hawke a strong, skilled character?  Yes.  Is Hawke one of the more powerful in the land?  Likely.  Moreso than the other two in question?  I very much doubt it.

 

The Inquisitor is a more fun one to think about.  This is a character who, especially with the right choices made, could have godlike power.  Thing is, the character isn't really interested in that sort of power so it's likely to always remain untapped, if still deadly.  But let's back up.  Who is the Inquisitor?  Nobody really knows, or cares, until this game.  They were a forgotten son or a castaway, perhaps even disposable...until they gained the mark.  Now through training and education this character can be built up to something much greater, but it's never to the level of "The character has learned to find reserves of vigor in personal suffering, granting a further bonus to mana or stamina."  Meanwhile, the character surrounds themselves with a rather impressive cast and depends upon them quite a bit to get the job done.  So in terms of pure martial ability I actually find it likely the Inquisitor is the weakest of the bunch.  Not unskilled, mind you, especially not after training up, but also not as naturally talented or focused as Hawke or the Warden.  It's the mark which throws this discussion for a loop.  How powerful does the Inquisitor allow this ability to become?  How effective would it be against the others?  And would it be enough to overcome them?  Certain enemies seem to have more resistance to it, certainly, it's not some instakill ability the Inquisitor is capable of utilizing.  It seems tied in most to willpower, with the more an opponent has, the greater they are able to resist its influence.  As such I think the mark would be enough to easily put the Inquisitor over the top of Hawke, who though perhaps able to resist, would be so weakened so as unable to compete.  The Warden?  With things like this under their belt: "The character has begun a regimen of strenuous exercise, the character has suffered intentional injuries in order to develop an innate robustness, the character has embraced ancient techniques of meditation, the character has braved exposure to the elements in order to build mental focus, the character has learned to find reserves of vigor in personal suffering..." I think the mark would have a difficult time effecting them fast enough for the character not to stomp them into pudding one-on-one.


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My warden was an arcane warrior /thread



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Facts are facts...

The inquisitor can walk in the fade. He can open or close a giant hole in the damned sky. I'm pretty sure neither the Champion nor the Warden can do either of those things. Not to mention the political and religious clout he has by the end of the game.

The Inquisitor hands down.

To say otherwise is emotional bias. If you look at it objectively you can't come to any other conclusion.

To be fair, The Inquisitor closed the breach with the help of the mages making his mark more powerful or the templars. Also, considering that even in the lore, the Warden entered the fade and most likely used fonts and essences twice, including dlc, which would make him more powerful, and may have drank Avernus's potion, i think it is possible that the Warden is stronger than the Inquisitor lorewise. The inquisitor has the mark sure, but the Warden has the taint, and the taint can corrupt an old god so it is obviously powerful. I think that any Warden, that went through the dlc, is just as powerful if not more powerful than the inquisitor lorewise.



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Political - Inquisitor

Diplomat - Warden

Scrappy fighter - Hawke

Super Power - Inquisitor

Target of Antivan Crows - Hawke

GOAT - US Warden

 

Each hero has had something going for them.  Now if we are talking a 1 vs 1 vs 1 format winner take all I have to go with the one with the crazy super power than can either use a fade rift to rip you apart with a wave of a hand or just open a rift to the fade and toss ya in then close it, not sure which would be worse.



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Love the ones who say the Warden was only good against Darkspawn.

 

Yes, the Warden indeed was only good against Darkspawn.

 

Its not like he/she ever was victorious over:

Humans

Carta Thugs

Elves

Werewolves

Golems

Dragons

Drakes

Abominations

Demons

and every other adversary in DAO

 

Nope, the Warden was only good against Darkspawn

 

#sarcasm



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Inquisitor doesn't have a Fireball spell.

 

Therefore the Inquisitor is the weakest.

Flash Fire.



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Inquisitor is a tool, tool of Andraste, a tool of Solas , a tool of Flemeth. All the power that the inquisitor has in the game is purely an illusion of the Fade, a dream created by Solas. Even the anchor.



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Warden. He was higher level at the end of DA:A.