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[Jaron Oberyn]

Some people here are getting way ahead of themselves. The DA franchise is not ending. We don't even have official reports from ea , so let's hold off on all this doom and gloom. At worst the game did just as good as da2, which brought about a sequel. Bioware isn't going to abandon one of its biggest franchises.

[In Exile]

Some people here are getting way ahead of themselves. The DA franchise is not ending. We don't even have official reports from ea , so let's hold off on all this doom and gloom. At worst the game did just as good as da2, which brought about a sequel. Bioware isn't going to abandon one of its biggest franchises.

 

The circumstances that led to DA2 getting a sequel were very different - it was a rushed game to recoup costs for DA:O. It didn't have a 4 year release window with multiple delays. 

[Henriks]

 

 

They modeled their exploration after Skyrim, and I don't think they even tried to hide it.

Now, to be clear, I thought that was the best part of the game (exploring the wild areas, doing the "main" story in that particular zone), but they still failed to see what actually makes an open world game great, rather than good.

It's been said repeatedly, the world is "fake".

Skyrim has a living world in which you happen to exist. Its people walk, talk, work, rest, sleep.

They react to you, guards react to you. You can interact with objects, thieve and pillage and build and kill - the world changes according to what you do.

And there's a day and night cycle.

 

None of this is in DA:I, and while it's less obvious in the wilds, it's absolutely jarring in cities and castles and villages.

People just stand there, they don't move or do anything, you can't interact with them. It feels like a cardboard, fake world specifically designed for you to quest in.

 

 

 

Agreed 100%. That was not a problem in DA: O or in Mass Effect games, where you were in a specific area only to do a specific mission. Inquisition opted for a "open world" approach, but as you said, this world is completely fake. 

[Jaron Oberyn]

The circumstances that led to DA2 getting a sequel were very different - it was a rushed game to recoup costs for DA:O. It didn't have a 4 year release window with multiple delays.

And we don't have any solid facts about the sales. Again, getting ahead of ourselves. Bioware isn't going anywhere.

[The Antagonist]

so dragon age didn't chart in November top 10 according to NPD.

[X Equestris]

so dragon age didn't chart in November top 10 according to NPD.

It was also up against some very stiff competition in established franchises coming out right around the same time.

I think people should wait at least until after the holiday shopping season before running around screaming about the sky falling.

[AlanC9]

The circumstances that led to DA2 getting a sequel were very different - it was a rushed game to recoup costs for DA:O. It didn't have a 4 year release window with multiple delays.

I keep trying to avoid the conclusion that DA2 was the more sensible design approach.

[Lianaar]

What's with this year long stretching wish people have for BW's death? I just don't get it.
There were tonnes of gaming companies that went bancrupt and I didn't even know of their existence, I am sure. There are other companies, that probably changed the direction of their games. So what? Why would I be either hoping for or gleeing their fall or demiss? Or as much as predict it?

 

So why are you dressing for furneral when we have not a single fact that gives good enough cause for prediction either way?
From the "data" we have, we can easily predict the rise and fall of the company both. We might as well use voodoo to influence the outcome.

 

I am not even saying the game is doing well or badly in the sales, I am just surprised by the furneral mood.

[Natashina]

so dragon age didn't chart in November top 10 according to NPD.

They don't account for digital sales.

[The Antagonist]

what, da3 is the only game that's available digitally?

[Estel78]

NPD top 10 November US sales:

 

1. Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare (360, Xbox One, PS4, PS3, PC)

2. Grand Theft Auto V (PS4, Xbox One, 360, PS3) 

3. Super Smash Bros. (Wii U, 3DS) 

4. Madden NFL 15 (360, Xbox One, PS4, PS3) 

5. Pokemon Alpha Sapphire (3DS) 

6. Far Cry 4 (PS4, Xbox One, 360, PS3, PC) 

7. Pokemon Omega Ruby (3DS) 

8. NBA 2K15 (PS4, 360, Xbox One, PS3, PC) 

9. Assassin's Creed: Unity (PS4, Xbox One, PC) 

10. Halo: The Master Chief Collection (Xbox One)

 

DAI is not even in the top 10. That is not good, no matter how you slice it.

[NextGenCowboy]

what, da3 is the only game that's available digitally?

Seeing as this includes PC sales, which is a massive chunk, then there's some obvious numbers missing. To say nothing of sales outside the NA region, or the fact that the sales numbers are comprised of 12 days worth of data, and the game's been out less in other regions.

[frankf43]

 

NPD top 10 November US sales:

 

1. Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare (360, Xbox One, PS4, PS3, PC)

2. Grand Theft Auto V (PS4, Xbox One, 360, PS3) 

3. Super Smash Bros. (Wii U, 3DS) 

4. Madden NFL 15 (360, Xbox One, PS4, PS3) 

5. Pokemon Alpha Sapphire (3DS) 

6. Far Cry 4 (PS4, Xbox One, 360, PS3, PC) 

7. Pokemon Omega Ruby (3DS) 

8. NBA 2K15 (PS4, 360, Xbox One, PS3, PC) 

9. Assassin's Creed: Unity (PS4, Xbox One, PC) 

10. Halo: The Master Chief Collection (Xbox One)

 

DAI is not even in the top 10. That is not good, no matter how you slice it.

 

 

It didn't come out until the 18 November. It only had 2 weekends of sales out of a possible 5. After DA:2 and ME:3 preorders were always going to be low. The massive amount of positive reviews and player feed back the game has got from all over the web will lead to a steady increase of sales moving towards the Christmas period.  

[Alan Drifter13]

In the video-games category of Amazon UK right now it's:

 

7th in PS4

9th in XBone (though the 2nd is a controller, so 8th among games)

4th in PC (but 3rd is also a controller, so 3rd among games)

 

Much worse for XB360 and PS3, but it makes sense because the game isn't optimized for those consoles.

 

In the VG category of Amazon US it's:

 

4th in PS4 (3rd is a card, so 3rd among games)

10th in XBone (console and controller in the top-10, so DA:I is 8th among games)

10th in PC (2nd among games, Sims4 is the only other game in the top-10 of the category)

 

 

It looks like it's only being clearly outsold by Sims4 in PC and FarCry4, FIFA15, Halo (MC collection) or GTAV in next gen consoles. These are all big titles from some of the best selling franchises ever, and all of them had a more succesful predecessor than Dragon Age had. So all in all it looks like the numbers are good (AMZ is the best-selling online platform, so I take it as a good indicator of the overall market).

[NextGenCowboy]

I wouldn't call that definitive, but that was extremely informative, thank you for taking the time to search that.

[Estel78]

Sorry but we got NPD results and UK official top 10 that encompass pretty much every sold unit (excluding digital). That's much more informative then Amazon daily sales charts.

[animedreamer]

I'd like to know what drugs the neighsayers are using, i could use a good trip. heh heh.

[animedreamer]

The circumstances that led to DA2 getting a sequel were very different - it was a rushed game to recoup costs for DA:O. It didn't have a 4 year release window with multiple delays. 

recoup the cost of Dragon Age Origins? .... In what universe was this? can we get some actual numbers here? that game still sells to this freaking day.

[Merlik]

If it was on Steam, it would have been in the top 10

[Aurok]

The franchise will continue regardless, but the sales will cetainly inform in which direction it goes. If the original premise doesn't get the sales they're hoping for, then they'll keep shifting it further and further from that towards something they consider to be more popular and accessible (just as Mass Effect evolved in the direction of Gears of War over the trilogy).

 

If this isn't Skyrim enough to get Skyrim numbers, then I'd prepare yourselves for the next Dragon Age to be more Skyrim rather than less. I guarantee you that the Top Men at EA aren't sat around looking at the likes of Skyrim & Red Dead selling like 15m and being content with Bioware (their equivalent flagship studio) creating games which keep capping out at around 30% of that. They will be pointing at those companies and saying "Make that happen", because that's pretty much EA's MO. They believe in tracing over the work of other, more successful developers, not differentiating themselves from them by creating their own 'Next Big Thing'.

[KneeTheCap]

Well in the other thread a Bioware employee did say that the game is selling great and outperforming it's predecessors

[AlanC9]

If it was on Steam, it would have been in the top 10

Are PC gamers actually that stupid? I can't imagine passing on a game I wanted to play because it wasn't on Steam. I didn't like the concept of Steam much in the first place, but if I wanted to play HL2, I had to use it. And back then being on Steam meant waiting several hours for the game to patch before you could play it.

Anyway, that chart wouldn't have reported Steam sale data, so nothing would have changed.

[AlanC9]

recoup the cost of Dragon Age Origins? .... In what universe was this? can we get some actual numbers here? that game still sells to this freaking day.

Devs have said that DA:O wasn't all that profitable, although with DLC it did well enough.

[KneeTheCap]

Are PC gamers actually that stupid? I can't imagine passing on a game I wanted to play because it wasn't on Steam. I didn't like the concept of Steam much in the first place, but if I wanted to play HL2, I had to use it. And back then being on Steam meant waiting several hours for the game to patch before you could play it.

Anyway, that chart wouldn't have reported Steam sale data, so nothing would have changed.

 

I think the point is that Steam's userbase is much larger than Origin's. Most likely.

[VelvetStraitjacket]

Reading some of the replies in this thread, you'd think some people (desperately) want this game to fail and Bioware to go bankrupt lmao.