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[Etragorn]

I still have a hard time understanding how Skyrim sold the numbers it did. I honestly believe many non-RPG people picked it up after hearing so much about it from their RPG friends and being really impressed with the graphics at the time (which, honestly still hold up quite well for its age) and they might have played it for the eye candy before forgetting about it, not really progressing the story, or maybe only playing the main story and none of the sidequests.

I think Skyrim was an anomaly. If the next one sells as well, then obviously I just don't understand the dynamics of the market as well as I think I do.

[Kortok]

Yes, and clearly the people who adamantly defend bioware even though their games quality has gone nowhere but down since KOTOR are helping.

I'm sure we will see more amazing games like SWTOR and ME3 moving forward. Lucky us.

KOTOR?  **** man if you're going that route then might as well say since BG2.  Because KOTOR (and NWN, but mods kinda redeemed it) is a steaming pile of poo compared to BG2.

[SadisticChunkyDwarf]

 There is healthy middle ground capitalism that walks the fine line between profits and people, has something to do with providing a worthwhile product, value for money and customer satisfaction. But as anyone who's worked in the food industry will tell you, there's always angry customers who walk in to your restaurant not to order food but to order food and complain about it. They stifle creativity and try to drag down everything around them by chanting "Nobody else likes" until they're blue in the face.

 

That's true of any service really. It very well is likely bad enough in the food service industry, but when you get into the realm of online/call centre complaints the occurrences increase, because people no longer need to fear making an ass out of themselves in public.

 

We should just have a universal database of habitual whingers, distribute it to every major company, and simply deny them service. At least then they'll have a reason to complain.

[Kortok]

I still have a hard time understanding how Skyrim sold the numbers it did. I honestly believe many non-RPG people picked it up after hearing so much about it from their RPG friends and being really impressed with the graphics at the time (which, honestly still hold up quite well for its age) and they might have played it for the eye candy before forgetting about it, not really progressing the story, or maybe only playing the main story and none of the sidequests.

I think Skyrim was an anomaly. If the next one sells as well, then obviously I just don't understand the dynamics of the market as well as I think I do.

Skyrim is not an anomaly, Oblivion did gangbusters too.  The thing is, Bethesda games (especially TES) cater to the lowest common denominator.  I can easily see COD gamers messing around in Skyrim exploring and killing stuff with big swords.  Also like you said the graphics and open world were a major plus.  Party based games require more from the player and are going to have a harder time gaining mass appeal.

[dantares83]

Yes, and clearly the people who adamantly defend bioware even though their games quality has gone nowhere but down since KOTOR are helping.

I'm sure we will see more amazing games like SWTOR and ME3 moving forward. Lucky us.

 

yes, go ahead and live in the past and play DAO and BG and KOTOR forever and ever because they are not coming back. If you can, send in many emails and ask them for a remake.

 

Expecting the same mechanics and story and gameplay is not forward-moving at all imo.

[AlanC9]

Yes, and clearly the people who adamantly defend bioware even though their games quality has gone nowhere but down since KOTOR are helping.
I'm sure we will see more amazing games like SWTOR and ME3 moving forward. Lucky us.

I'll take it. I liked ME3 just fine, thankyouverymuch. It struck me as fairly standard Bio product, with Bio's typical strengths and weaknesses.

[JeffZero]

I'm sure we will see more amazing games like ME3 moving forward.

 

oh man I hope you're right buddy

[Al Foley]

Count me in.  ME 3 is like my third favorite game of all time, just outdone by ME 2.  

[Madrict]

I hope it sells well! This is a fantastic game and they deserve to make a tonne of money off it

[DemGeth]

Well yea ME 3 was great.

Needed the difficulty tweaked a bit to be harder though. Far to easy once you figured out combos etc even on nightmare.

Fun release too. I actually got real life threats in pms for saying I didn't mind the ending. Which a course always great entertainment.

In their sales thread everyone was convinced it would bomb a course because of the campaign against it, bad press, user review bombs, and all that. Think they had total sales pegged at 2. I had it a little over 5 at best.

Just looked up the numbers....lol

[Cyonan]

Well yea ME 3 was great.

Needed the difficulty tweaked a bit to be harder though. Far to easy once you figured out combos etc even on nightmare.

 

To be honest I feel like the Mass Effect series in general was a bit too easy once you figured out the right combos. Just not ME2 "difficulty" where half of it is actually waiting behind chest high walls for your shields to regenerate.

 

Unless of course you were using heavily modded game files like I did at the end of ME3's MP after they dropped support for it. Surviving wave 11 is a lot more difficult when you have to deal with 50 immortal Praetorians.

[errantknight]

The forums always flail. For one thing, it tends to attract players who care deeply. It also attracts people who enjoy riling up people because...internet. It's good to remember that the opinions you see here represent a tiny fraction of players overall, so you can't conclude buggerall from what you read here other than a general sense of llikes and dislikes that are possible among the total fanbase.

[Itkovian]

Yes, and clearly the people who adamantly defend bioware even though their games quality has gone nowhere but down since KOTOR are helping.

I'm sure we will see more amazing games like SWTOR and ME3 moving forward. Lucky us.

 

Please, yes. Because they WERE amazing. Loved both of them, and DAI is definitely up there amongst their best games.

 

Haters gotta hate, but it gets ridiculous when dealing with a masterpiece like DAI. This was clearly a labour of love, and not a rush job like DA2. they took their time, and turned out a high quality product.

 

Or, in short, it might be that people that there are some of us (probably most) who "defend" Bioware because we love their products. I for one am looking forward to more.

[errantknight]

I love swtor. LOVE IT. Fact is, most of the people who are invested in dissing it haven't played it in years and don't know how much content it has. Impatience and entitlement almost killed it, but it's totally done the phoenix thing, lol.

[Kage]

I hope this game sells brilliantly, since I want more games like this in the industry.

[Akka le Vil]

Yea.  Also Bioware has a huge PC following, they started on PC and the PC is the only platform where you can play all their games. 

Too bad Bioware doesn't seem to care (or even remember) about that.

[theluc76]

DAO sold at 3.5 million

DA2 sold at 2 million

DAI sold at 1.5 million

 

those are the retailer numbers, so doesnt say how much are still on the shelves. Considering the budget, DAI would need to outsell DAO & DA2 combined to be a full success. 

 

source is Wikipedia

[Viidicus]

You would assume with the success of DAO, they would... you know, follow with that formula not destroy it, dumb it down and turn it into an action game. All people wanted as DAO2

[Zippy72]

These threads are so funny. They pop up for every game and they're always based on incomplete information.

We don't have accurate sales figures. We don't know margins. We don't know costs. We don't know company expectations.

 

Until EA/Bioware tell us it's all guess work.

[theluc76]

you are right Zippy72, its all a guessing game.

 

btw I really like that picture you put as your forum avatar, very funny 

[Nukekitten]

It is factually incorrect to say that creativity has nothing to do with profit incentive.  Profit incentive has lead to the most creative inventions in history.

Uhm, I'm not sure about that. ;

Since people need to turn a profit in order to live, it's not very surprising that the correlation is very strong. However, that's not precisely the same thing as it causing it, and I don't see how you're distinguishing the guess that people are intrinsicly motivated to be creative and need to make a living from the guess that people are not intrinsicly motivated to be creative and become creative in order to make a living. Nor, in a somewhat more subtle sense, how you're determining the relative balance between the two.

There have been studies that show that when a creative solution to something is needed something like a bonus structure tends to produce worse outcomes. Which I'd take to be weak evidence on the intrinsic motivation side of the pile. And there are things like wikipedia where people invested a great deal of time and effort into creating a solution that basically blew paid-for encyclopedias out of the water....

[Andraste_Reborn]

You would assume with the success of DAO, they would... you know, follow with that formula not destroy it, dumb it down and turn it into an action game. All people wanted as DAO2

 

Not necessarily. I know a bunch of people who bought DAO and never finished it because it was 'too long and boring.' They didn't buy the sequel. I don't agree with them myself - finished the game nine times - but it's not as if there was no dissatisfaction with the first game.

 

Also, DAO took a long time to make. DA2 didn't sell as well, but it's likely that it was also cheaper to produce due to its shorter production time. Only time will tell how the balance sheet works out for DAI - and we'll never know all the details.

[Itkovian]

You would assume with the success of DAO, they would... you know, follow with that formula not destroy it, dumb it down and turn it into an action game. All people wanted as DAO2

 

Actually, no, that is not what "all people wanted". It's what SOME people wanted, namely a subset of the hardcore DAO fans (and I say subset because I loooved DAO, but I also love DAI, for example).

 

The fact they're ready to experiment and improve the formula is a good thing, and I personally think they went in a good direction with DAI. And I'm not alone.

[Jadebaby]

To answer op headline.

It should be.

*drops mic*