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[Pasquale1234]

I never even played a Spacer. So it can't even be a bad relationship?

I'm not quite sure how to answer that. Each game has some contact with Mom.

ME1 - You bump into one of Mom's former crewmembers who has PTSD and is now a homeless drunk. You can go into the Normandy's comm room and call her about it. It's a pretty short conversation, mostly about the guy, though IIRC, she does tell Shepard she is proud of him/her. I believe she's an XO on a dreadnought, and needs to get back to her work.

ME2 - You receive an email where she expresses some surprise at finding out you're alive from other sources. There are also news reports saying that she has refused a promotion to Rear Admiral, preferring to honor her child's legacy by commanding a ship.

ME3 - In Citadel DLC, you can talk with her on the phone. She does most of the talking, expressing her pride in what Shepard has become and is doing. This one is fairly sappy, imho. Also, in one of the later comms w/ Hackett, he tells Shepard that Mom has been located, promoted to Rear Admiral, and is handling logistics for the Crucible project.

So - Mom is very... motherly... lol... toward Shepard.

[themikefest]

I wonder what the reaction would be from Shepard's mother if she knew Hackett gave her child's dogtags to an alien instead of her?

[themikefest]

lol... keeping the hate strong.

 

 

I think I might just walk away from this series, like I did Dragon Age. Once I start thinking about it, I get really annoyed. As much as I like a lot of it, perhaps this isn't for me either.

I could say more, a lot more, but it won't do any good. 

 

the broker dlc I don't like at all. They put stuff in there without giving Shepard an opportunity to ask questions. But I look at it like asking the question to the catalyst about the Crucible. You don't need to know and there's not enough time to explain

[Pasquale1234]

lol... keeping the hate strong.

I don't know that Hackett ever had possession of the tags. Liara recovered them.
 

I think I might just walk away from this series, like I did Dragon Age. Once I start thinking about it, I get really annoyed. As much as I like a lot of it, perhaps this isn't for me either.

I've not yet purchased DAI, for a variety of reasons - but might at some point.

But, yeah, sometimes it's best to move on when an entertainment franchise no longer suits your tastes and interests. I've done that many times. I'll research ME:N before I buy it - ME3 was waaay too railroaded and cinematic for my tastes.

[themikefest]

I don't know that Hackett ever had possession of the tags. Liara recovered them.
 

She says she recovered them. Then she says Hackett gave them to her

https://youtu.be/rRZkpwl7sIA?t=55s

[Mineko]

She says she recovered them. Then she says Hackett gave them to her

https://youtu.be/rRZkpwl7sIA?t=55s

She says "he gave them to me so I could give them to you", so that fact in particular makes kind of sense. Maybe Hackett knew that Liara had more possibilities of seeing Shepard than his/her mum? I don't know the exact story (haven't played Lair of the Shadow Broker yet), but hearing only that conversation, the conclusion I make is that Hackett gave Liara the tags when he already knew Shepard was alive (she even says Hackett sends his regards).

[themikefest]

She says "he gave them to me so I could give them to you", so that fact in particular makes kind of sense. Maybe Hackett knew that Liara had more possibilities of seeing Shepard than his/her mum? I don't know the exact story (haven't played Lair of the Shadow Broker yet), but hearing only that conversation, the conclusion I make is that Hackett gave Liara the tags when he already knew Shepard was alive (she even says Hackett sends his regards).

It still implying that an alien is more important than Shepards mother. Hackett knows where Shepard's mother is. He can give them to her. He than sends a message to Shepard or even his/her mother wanting to meet somewhere. I would rather receive my dogtags from my mother than some alien

[Pasquale1234]

She says "he gave them to me so I could give them to you", so that fact in particular makes kind of sense. Maybe Hackett knew that Liara had more possibilities of seeing Shepard than his/her mum? I don't know the exact story (haven't played Lair of the Shadow Broker yet), but hearing only that conversation, the conclusion I make is that Hackett gave Liara the tags when he already knew Shepard was alive (she even says Hackett sends his regards).

Interesting. I've never seen that bit of dialogue in my game - she simply says she recovered them. I notice that video was uploaded in 2010 - perhaps it was changed after that. Or for the trilogy release, or somesuch.

[themikefest]

Interesting. I've never seen that bit of dialogue in my game - she simply says she recovered them. I notice that video was uploaded in 2010 - perhaps it was changed after that. Or for the trilogy release, or somesuch.

She does, but I believe it only occurs if she is being romanced. Someone else would have an answer I'm sure

https://youtu.be/6eoNpnHN85I?t=40s

[Vazgen]

@StreetMagic - what about Javik's sensory ability?

 

But really, it's not that annoying to quit the series over. If that bothers you that much, just don't play LotSB and/or avoid talking to Liara in ME3. And the renegade option to "comfort" her after Thessia is quite cold - "I need to know that you'll be fit for the next mission". 

[Vazgen]

It's creepy too. But he doesn't care about anyone, and doesn't want me to care either. So it's all good. He's not trying to bond. He puts his abilities in the context of "hunting"... that they developed/evolved it from being hunters.

Does Liara try to bond? I never got that impression. You can avoid her in ME1 and have her only join minds once (after threatening to dump her in volcano). She does not offer it in ME2 (unless romanced?). And you can reject the final gift in ME3, which is not a try to bond IMO.

[Vazgen]

And yet she frantically recovers your corpse and said she did it for "herself" later. And keeps your suit in glass, which is even creepier than Conrad...who only bought a cheap replica.  She's like some parasite you can't shake off, because of her connection with the Prothean visions.

 

 

About the only thing that might save you is getting Javik to be friendly with her. Maybe she'll realize how boring Shepard is finally, and attach herself to him instead.

Yeah, Shepard fetish is weird. Though it might be a side effect of joining in ME1 (especially in Liara's case who is presented as quite young and inexperienced). I doubt mind meld is one-sided, at least for normal asari. Would be interesting to theorize on how did they develop the ability?

[Vazgen]

Maybe it's the same as Protheans (hunting related). But they took a different interpretation of it. Their whole religion revolves around this type of "connection". Once they realized they could bond with anyone, they developed a philosophy of unity/oneness and how everyone is part of the same energy of life. Hence, the "embrace eternity" line, which is related to this religion. So whether it started as hunting related or not, they interpreted it on a more social level.

 

But I think it's all bullshit. We're not all connected. I want to be connected, but it takes work and exploration.

 

Also, the Asari ultimately prove to be full of crap anyways. They just wanted to direct and control others. While Liara just spies on people and discovers their secrets, without asking questions.

I'm not so certain. Protheans are able to read information from DNA traces etc. while Asari are only able to do it in close contact with other species. Their ability is not that useful for hunting. More, they actually reproduce that way. 

 

Nobody forces you accept it. Hell, I haven't even thought of that connection before your comment.

 

Well she is the Shadow Broker/intel broker, right? If you refer to mind meld, I don't see how it can be considered spying if she asks you for approval before each meld  

[Mordokai]

And yet she frantically recovers your corpse and said she did it for "herself" later. And keeps your suit in glass, which is even creepier than Conrad...who only bought a cheap replica.  She's like some parasite you can't shake off, because of her connection with the Prothean visions.

 

 

About the only thing that might save you is getting Javik to be friendly with her. Maybe she'll realize how boring Shepard is finally, and attach herself to him instead.

 

I swear, it's all like reading Mikey boy all over again...

[Vazgen]

The spying bit is about the Shadow Broker stuff. But there's an underlying approach to both melding and spying.

 

She's only interested in results. There's no "process" to the way she gets to know anyone. Not Shepard (through the melds) or his friends (through spying).

 

Hell, it's why I don't even like Control and Synthesis. They don't champion the idea of process and evolution either. They're just goal oriented. It's cheating your way into a position (or in her case, into knowing people), without really understanding or caring how you get there.

The dossiers? I always thought they were collected by the previous broker. Is there anything that suggests otherwise?

 

She actually interacts with the crew. Most notably - Kaidan in ME1. You can hear about that from both Kaidan and her in ME3. She also talks to Garrus, Kaidan over the intercom (she also shares a drink with Garrus). Tali considers her a friend. I doubt her relations with all of them are based on deceit. And she helps when it counts - Joker's request. So it's not like she only uses her connections to spy on people.

 

Personally, I like ME1 Liara the most. Her change towards more ruthless and calculating character in ME2-ME3 is not something I enjoy.