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[Vazgen]

ME1 Liara was still odd to me, but at least the player had more choices. 

 

I don't remember her talking to Garrus except in the lounge. He doesn't want to speak with her on the intercom or be "consoled" (funnily, you can do this yourself).

 

Gathering info about Nerve Stim Pro doesn't seem like a friendly approach for Tali.  That's like publicly telling people what color vibrator someone uses.

Yeah, lounge conversation. And she tries to console Garrus which he deflects with turian stoicism. 

 

When she is sad after Thessia, Tali says "I'm not leaving my friend in such state!" or something like that. 

She talks with Kaidan, Kaidan mentions speaking to her in ME1 after Thessia (if he dies, she mentions him being the one who helped her to acclimate in ME1). 

 

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Do you imply that she runs every person she meets through Shadow Broker network to find out all the information she can about the person and only then proceeds to actual interactions? That's quite a conspiracy theory you have there

 

For the record, I'm not a Liara fan myself. I don't like her obsession with Shepard, especially in the face of established romance with other characters. I also find mind meld creepy. But I don't view her as some creep who digs out dirty secrets of people and then manipulates them using those secrets. She can do it in certain cases, but never in personal dealings with people. 

[Vazgen]

I don't know the details of what she's doing. I'm only saying she doesn't know how to really interact and get to know people. I said it was alien earlier. Which it is... it's not very human. And then it just extends into being more disconnected, once she becomes the Shadow Broker.

 

My point in mentioning this is that I'd never be good friends with someone like this. I make friendships through a process. Bioware seems to have a completely different idea of what "good friends" are. Since all the characters that you connect with the old fashioned way are inferior to the Liara friendship. It holds primacy over all others.

I'd say that's a part of her character. She is really awkward socially in ME1. Becoming a Shadow Broker only enforces it, since she does not deal with people personally.

 

I can see where you're coming from. I think a mind meld does create a certain bond between participants. IIRC, Shiala also expresses some romantic attachment to Shepard and she melded with him only once (also talked to him for about 5 minutes). But then you get Gianna Parasini who is somehow affected to Shepard, even if they only conversed for a few minutes in ME1. And she does not have a head start with mind meld.

 

That's all due to Shepard's space pimp aura

[Mordokai]

No, it's like reading someone who doesn't like the same things you do.

 

I know it's difficult, but it happens. I'm doing it with you, at this moment.

 

I'm sorry to be hurting you.

 

Oh wait... no, I'm not.

[Vazgen]

Yeah, Shiala too. But at least it's brief and kind of funny.

 

Gianna is dependent on how you dealt with Anolais. So it's an actual event that binds it.. This is what I like. Whether you did her a favor (or not) and had "any love for the law". Like you can screw her over in ME1 (killing her) or screw her over by not persuading Lorik. Then in ME2, she'll be a little miffed. You can still help with the Asari there, but Gianna won't kiss you.

Doesn't saving from a Prothean stasis bubble and the geth count as a binding event? And you can potentially reinforce the connection by going through her mother's death together.

[Pasquale1234]

My point in mentioning this is that I'd never be good friends with someone like this. I make friendships through a process. Bioware seems to have a completely different idea of what "good friends" are. Since all the characters that you connect with the old fashioned way are inferior to the Liara friendship. It holds primacy over all others.

Are they? I don't think I've ever done a playthrough in which Garrus, Tali, Joker, Chakwas aren't Shepard's besties.
 

Yeah, Shiala too. But at least it's brief and kind of funny.

Gianna is dependent on how you dealt with Anolais. So it's an actual event that binds it.. This is what I like. Whether you did her a favor (or not) and had "any love for the law". Like you can screw her over in ME1 (killing her) or screw her over by not persuading Lorik. Then in ME2, she'll be a little miffed. You can still help with the Asari there, but Gianna won't kiss you.

Well - you met Liara while rescuing her. I've seen worse bases for hero worship - lol.

[themikefest]

Wait a sec, doesn't Mike want to kill Liara?

Yes he does or at least my femshep does. She can do it in every playthrough if she chooses. Having her ems low enough so  that Harbinger does the dirty work. Also if Kai Leng was any kind of an assassin he would've stabbed her instead of throwing her across the screen, though that is pretty funny. I guess we know what Liara's favorite airline is. Kai Leng Airlines

 

Spoiler

 

If there was an opportunity to kill her with high ems, I wouldn't do it every time, but I would the majority of the time

 

I have done a playthrough with only Kaidan(Virnire), Liara and edibot being the only ones to perish. It was cool at the memorial scene not having her there. Yes my femshep maybe dead for the time being, but since Miranda is a good friend, she brings femshep back using Lazarus 2.0

[Vazgen]

That's all fine. Except she only mentions it once in ME1, right after rescuing her. Her attention turns elsewhere.

 

The mother thing is weird. I don't care about Beneziah - not as a character and not for the god awful acting - and don't necessarily bring Liara with me. That seems to have been canonized now though, since she mimics her mom's lines in ME2, and the Genesis comic has her there. Another case of forced closeness that wasn't necessarily there before. Like I said, it's like whack-a-mole. You can't get away from it.

Why should she mention it more than once? How often do you express gratitude for a certain event?

[themikefest]

See, I don't dislike her that much. It might seem like it, but I don't. 

 

Certainly not at the expense of my Shepard's life too.

The only time she has died is on specific playthroughs. James and Ashley have died the most on the beam run when my ems is below 1900.  

[Mordokai]

Yeah, you might want to move past this forced drama and simply talk. Or not.

 

It isn't that bad.

 

Nah. My own fault for coming by and seeing this. My own fault, further, for engaging in any debate when I'm just slightly drunk. Shoulda known better by now. Guess it just goes to show that age doesn't necessarily bring wisdom with it.

 

And really... I don't care enough to engage you haters by now. By the looks of it, you're same as Mike. At this point... I just don't give a flying frack.

 

Despite my post obviously proving differently.

[Mordokai]

I don't know if me and Mike are the same. He wants to kill her. I don't. That seems pretty...different.

 

Yeah, he got issues. If you're better than him, you're... better.

 

Thank you, Captain Obvious.

 

In any case, over and out. Peace and all that.

[Vazgen]

I didn't say she should. I'm just saying that isn't the reason for her fixation. Shepard rescued a lot of people... I don't expect them to keep mentioning it either. Her friendship revolves more around the Prothean connection.

And she refutes that reason in the first conversation after recruitment. At least that's how I viewed her lines in conjunction with the previous "You must be remarkably strong-willed, Commander" line (which does not require mind meld btw). She is drawn to Shepard. Curiosity about Prothean connection is a part of that, but it's not all that is about that connection. And I think that the split is about equal after their first conversation.

[aoibhealfae]

That's all due to Shepard's space pimp aura

stranger still... this is one of the things why I never found BroShep believable. The game tried to play around the fact that he's godd*mn hottest pie in the galaxy and ALL women and alien ladies want to have sex with him at the first sight..... and yet I never found him attractive or sexually attractive for that matter. 

 

Its disturbing how the game try so hard to convince me that every women in-game want to sleep with him but no matter how hard I tried, BroShep doesn't appeal to me at all. (regardless as the supermodel default or customs)

[KaiserShep]

I prefer people to just be afraid of Shepard than all wanting to sleep with him.

"Oh sh*t it's Shepard. I heard he shot a batarian in the eyes on Omega."

 

"I heard he coughed on a quarian's face."

"Wait, didn't Archangel do that?"

"Maybe it was a different quarian. I heard he peed on him too."

"Sick, dude!"

[aoibhealfae]

I prefer people to just be afraid of Shepard than all wanting to sleep with him.

"Oh sh*t it's Shepard. I heard he shot a batarian in the eyes on Omega."

 

"I heard he coughed on a quarian's face."

"Wait, didn't Archangel do that?"

"Maybe it was a different quarian. I heard he peed on him too."

"Sick, dude!"

This Mean Girls quote came into mind;

"One time she punched me in the face... it was awesome."

[Han Shot First]

stranger still... this is one of the things why I never found BroShep believable. The game tried to play around the fact that he's godd*mn hottest pie in the galaxy and ALL women and alien ladies want to have sex with him at the first sight..... and yet I never found him attractive or sexually attractive for that matter. 

 

Its disturbing how the game try so hard to convince me that every women in-game want to sleep with him but no matter how hard I tried, BroShep doesn't appeal to me at all. (regardless as the supermodel default or customs)

 

That's kind of true for default FemShep as well though, even though she looks like Ronald McDonald.

[Altair_ShepardN7]

How the hell did this thread went so offtopic? From femshep vs broshep to Liara and the developer's obsession with shoving her down everyone's throats. 

[aoibhealfae]

That's kind of true for default FemShep as well though, even though she looks like Ronald McDonald.

The original ME1 and ME2 default doesn't look bad herself. But I find ME3's FemShep was too 'enhanced' like Ashley. She has a LOT of strong features; squarish face with wide cheekbones and jawlines, thick lips, red-bronze hair, bright emerald green eyes, pale skin with prominent freckles and add that to heavy eye/eyebrow/lip/cheek makeup.

 

You know the other person she share most of her features with? (other than the hair and the eye color)

Spoiler

Yes, Jack uses a real face model but she share most of default FemShep's facial characteristics

 

Its unfortunate that Bioware gave more thoughts to make NPCs like Diana Allers, Brooks, Dr Bryson with near realistic features... except for FemShep herself. Their main character of all people....