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[Batarian Master Race]

If I was a woman attracted to men in power, maybe I would dig that type. But you won't last in a relationship if your attraction solely depends on that being someone who is in control and powerful. 

FemShep is always the prettier one for me, even if BroShep is the real supermodel. 

 

Well, given that Shep's personality isn't set in stone, I was avoiding any concrete details about him; that might contribute to the lack of detail in my post.

 

Let me ask you; what makes Femshep better than Broshep, attraction-wise?

[aoibhealfae]

Well, given that Shep's personality isn't set in stone, I was avoiding any concrete details about him; that might contribute to the lack of detail in my post.

 

Let me ask you; what makes Femshep better than Broshep, attraction-wise?

One thing for certain, she's neither overly feminized and always in control all the time (since much of this depends on morality)

 

For me, BroShep is an archetypal greek hero and a representation of Odysseus. Like BroShep, Odysseus also have his share of insta-attraction with the ladies and he was a warrior who was always thwarted by fate whenever he tried to return home. Odysseus was beloved by his people and an excellent warrior. He have his ships and his loyal army. He is adventurous, clever with his tongue and he has his wits. Basically, BroShep is the reincarnation of the classical ideal hero who is filled with confidence, honor and courage. Even Ashley/Liara is technically Penelope... the one who waited for the Hero to return. Even your ME2 lovers are loosely based on the archetypes for the women Odysseus met in his long journey home, the treacherous witch-goddess of magic; Circe, the beautiful enchantress nymph; Calypso and Nausicaa; the virginal princess of Phaeacia. And like Odysseus, BroShep can be ruthless and brutal and he revel in blood and glory and in the end, he can never do wrong as the goddess is with him.  

 

The best way I could think for FemShep, she's not a definite archetypal hero like BroShep but more a representation of the warrior women. She's Athena, Mulan, Joan of Arc, Boudicca, Hippolyta, Fantaghiro, Ratna Kemala, Freyja, Brunhild, Valkyrie or a shieldmaiden who join men in war and the one who decide who live and die in battle. She inspire hope and peace or vengeance in the time of war. She's not sexualized but is a sexual creature. She's not over-feminized but is a feminine woman. And she doesn't inspire great lusts simply by being in a room. Although like BroShep, her story does align with The Odyssey but she's not a complete appropriation of Odysseus. Kaidan, Garrus, Thane and Jacob isn't a greek love archetype of anything as they're all warriors in their own right. FemShep is a mythology of Mass Effect which is uniquely her own which made her unpredictable. That is what made her character attractive to me.

 

and sorry, for Greek mytho dump but hey, I can't keep on saying the same thing all the time..

[Batarian Master Race]

One thing for certain, she's neither overly feminized and always in control all the time (since much of this depends on morality)

 

For me, BroShep is an archetypal greek hero and a representation of Odysseus. Like BroShep, Odysseus also have his share of insta-attraction with the ladies and he was a warrior who was always thwarted by fate whenever he tried to return home. Odysseus was beloved by his people and an excellent warrior. He have his ships and his loyal army. He is adventurous, clever with his tongue and he has his wits. Basically, BroShep is the reincarnation of the classical ideal hero who is filled with confidence, honor and courage. Even Ashley/Liara is technically Penelope... the one who waited for the Hero to return. Even your ME2 lovers are loosely based on the archetypes for the women Odysseus met in his long journey home, the treacherous witch-goddess of magic; Circe, the beautiful enchantress nymph; Calypso and Nausicaa; the virginal princess of Phaeacia. And like Odysseus, BroShep can be ruthless and brutal and he revel in blood and glory and in the end, he can never do wrong as the goddess is with him.  

 

The best way I could think for FemShep, she's not a definite archetypal hero like BroShep but more a representation of the warrior women. She's Athena, Mulan, Joan of Arc, Boudicca, Hippolyta, Fantaghiro, Ratna Kemala, Freyja, Brunhild, Valkyrie or a shieldmaiden who join men in war and the one who decide who live and die in battle. She inspire hope and peace or vengeance in the time of war. She's not sexualized but is a sexual creature. She's not over-feminized but is a feminine woman. And she doesn't inspire great lusts simply by being in a room. Although like BroShep, her story does align with The Odyssey but she's not a complete appropriation of Odysseus. Kaidan, Garrus, Thane and Jacob isn't a greek love archetype of anything as they're all warriors in their own right. FemShep is a mythology of Mass Effect which is uniquely her own which made her unpredictable. That is what made her character attractive to me.

 

and sorry, for Greek mytho dump but hey, I can't keep on saying the same thing all the time..

Edited to add more.

 

I can see a bit of what you're saying, but I disagree with the assumption that Femshep's, well, femininity makes her any different than Broshep. For example, doesn't Broshep "inspire hope and peace or vengeance in a time of war?" Isn't he "not sexualized, but a sexual creature?" And if you look at her and Jacob, she certainly does "inspire great lusts just by being in the same room."

 

Shep's gender does not change their actions or their personality, thus any comparisons between the two based on things they do or how they're perceived are invalid; such things are not gender-dependent.

 

And do you honestly think there's no mythology involving love between two great warriors?

 

 

 

 

The LIs are about the only thing that change between the two genders. Let's examine them one by one, shall we?

 

ME1:

Liara: Ignored, due to being a LI for both genders.

Ashley and Kaiden: Both powerful warriors haunted by past actions (either theirs or their family's). Both act as Persephone, waiting for Shepard.

 

ME2:

Jack, Garrus, Thane, Miranda: Powerful warriors in their own right, but they all hide emotional trauma that Shepard needs to help them deal with.

Jacob: No data available. (Never actually payed attention to him.)

 

Tali: The only real "damsel in distress" I found. Needs saving in 2/3 games. Perhaps the most archetypical, even stereotypical female; heavy themes of virginity and purity. At the same time, she's a competent warrior and mechanic, and is capable of performing actions no other character could hope to achieve. See: Saren Recording in ME1.

 

ME3:

 

Steve Cortez: Deep-seated emotional issues that Shepard must help him overcome.

Traynor: Not actually attempted yet.

Kaiden (Mshep only): A warrior who, after dealing with his conflicting urges (friend vs soldier), has come to trust his commander on a deeper level than ever.

 

Mshep does a surprising amount of emotional analysis, something often reserved for feminine characters. He's by no means the stereotypical greek hero, any more than Fshep is.

Modifié par Batarian Master Race, 02 juin 2015 - 02:46 .

[aoibhealfae]

I can see a bit of what you're saying, but I disagree with the assumption that Femshep's, well, femininity makes her any different than Broshep. For example, doesn't Broshep "inspire hope and peace or vengeance in a time of war?" Isn't he "not sexualized, but a sexual creature?" And if you look at her and Jacob, she certainly does "inspire great lusts just by being in the same room."

 

As for the Broshep-only LIs, the only real damsel-in-distress is Tali, and even she's more than capable of handling herself. One could argue Kaiden fills Ash's role, Liara's not gender-exclusive, and Jack is by no means someone who needs Shepard to save them. (at least, not physically).

 Of course he does "inspire hope and peace or vengeance", but like I said, BroShep is an archetypal male hero. He was fulfilling a societal norm for male heroism as default. Men still dominates the Alliance system whether in politics and in military. Women are still reserved to roles like support, infiltration, logistics, medicine, scientific endeavors and you hardly see them in the front line combats and cutscenes. FemShep hardly fit in her gender norm this she shared with Eve. They're an anomaly in ME verse.

 

BroShep is a default chick magnet with being gay as an afterthought. The game treated BroShep like he's a sexual creature who thinks himself entitled to every women available to him but it never actually tells what made BroShep sexually attractive in the first place other than the infamous "aura" and "hero worship". None of his actual romance options was in real unavoidable danger unlike with FemShep who is a default lesbian who was actually 'punished' by the game for being straight especially with Thane and Jacob. FemShep aren't sexually objectified but it drew focus on how the game still default itself with fanservicing the straight male audience with camera that lovingly focus on other female physical assets. And you won't see FemShep as a sex symbol but BroShep is clearly are such.

 

I didn't mention about damsels in my last post but let me entertain you this. Damsel-in-distress is a common trope in ME verse especially. Technically, all you ME2 squad are damsel-ed. Let's list the BroShep's LIs first; 

1. Ashley; the first time you met her, you saved her twice on Eden Prime, and then her career was saved with her assignment to Normandy, then again on Virmire, then again on Horizon, and again on Mars. And technically, during the citadel confrontation, if she didn't back down, she's going to get killed so you still save her anyway.
2. Liara; the first time you met her, you saved her from being trapped in a bubble, you saved her from an assassination attempt by exposing her assistant, you saved her from Tela Vasir and you saved her on Mars
3. Tali; the only real damsel situation was Haestrom, but you can choose to save her during the conclave, then you have to work on her loyalty or she died at collector's base and then if you don't resolve peace or side with the quarians or have her disloyal, she will kill herself which means you save her either way.
4. Miranda; resolve her issues or no loyalty, damsel-ed by the suicide mission and you still need to save her from Kai Leng
5. Jack; you have to save her from Purgatory ship, resolve her personal issues or no loyalty, you need armor upgrade just to save her, same as above with SM in ME2, and you still have to save her on Grissom Academy or bad things happens
6. Samara; you save her or her daughter, same with SM, and you have to do the paragon interrupt in ME3 to save her
7. Kelly; you have to save her from the Collector's base, then you have to save her from being killed at the Citadel
8. Cortez; if you don't resolve his issues, he will die
9. Kaidan; same as Ash except on smaller scale since he won't be attracted to the beacon and he's already assigned to the ship. You save him on Virmire, Horizon, Mars and Citadel.

Same goes with FemShep really; Kaidan, Liara, Kelly, Garrus, Jacob, Samara.... and thats it except for Thane who at the end of the day is the real damsel who you fail to save regardless of your choices and Traynor who never was in real danger. And you can have everyone else die if you don't get high EMS anyway. 

 

There are gay warrior lovers stories in Iliad. Sigmund and Brunhild does count but its hardly a romance. Actually romance between paired male and female warriors are very rare in mythology almost non-existent especially with female warrior. Persephone is the daughter of Demeter and the wife for Hades who is her uncle . I think you mean Penelope.

[Vazgen]

So femshep is more attractive because she does not fit archetypes? 

 

I disagree with men being dominant in the Alliance, be it military or politics. Shepard's mother commands a ship (dreadnought, if I'm not mistaken), there is a woman member in the committee in ME3. Even human ambassador is a woman in Revelation. The universe is specifically designed in a way that women and men are treated as equals. Same can be said about issues around same sex relationships and racial differences - these issues are simply non-existent in MEU. 

[aoibhealfae]

So femshep is more attractive because she does not fit archetypes? 

 

I disagree with men being dominant in the Alliance, be it military or politics. Shepard's mother commands a ship (dreadnought, if I'm not mistaken), there is a woman member in the committee in ME3. Even human ambassador is a woman in Revelation. The universe is specifically designed in a way that women and men are treated as equals. Same can be said about issues around same sex relationships and racial differences - these issues are simply non-existent in MEU. 

Nobody is giving a clearly defined answer on why BroShep is attractive to them as a individual person regardless of his looks and achievement. This isn't about individual LIs seeing BroShep as desirable because they save their lives or solve their family issues or fixed their emotional status. This is about average person like you and I looking at Shepard as a person himself and think "Would I bang him?" or "would I date him?". I mean, BroShep is really famous for that right?

 

There's a still a lot of skewed male-to-female ratio in ME. Female turians and female batarians are non-existent except for ME3's DLC and one character in Camala in ME: Revelation. Even with Nyreen, she was protected by the military and she couldn't use her abilities to benefit her people and contrast to that to Vyrnnus who is ranked Commander and obviously a war veteran. In the trilogy, female krogans vastly outnumbered male krogans (in fact we see more dead female krogan and one Eve and her survival are optional). In the defense committee scene, there was ME3 is three admiral vs one female admiral in room. Shepard's mother was immediately sent to Crucible with Hackett rather than join with the rest of fleet and she and her ship SSV Orizaba should be an actual war asset, which is a missed opportunity. Even in sequence where FemShep exist, she's still in a position where she's being outnumbered by male sex except for some rare occasion like the war room scene with the Quarians and her rendezvous with Aria and Nyreen at Omega. Other than FemShep and Captain Riley, all N7 graduates and trainee are mostly male. Male is still the dominant sex in the ME verse even with the normalization of female being in roles of power, the development of strength implants for female combatants and an entire alien race of agender species with female characteristics and using feminine terms. Even in all club scenes, there's only female human or asari strippers. So I wouldn't be too quick to say that its a world of equality and these issues are non-existent. 

[Batarian Master Race]

The game treated BroShep like he's a sexual creature who thinks himself entitled to every women available to him but it never actually tells what made BroShep sexually attractive in the first place other than the infamous "aura" and "hero worship".

If you swap the genders, the same is true for Femshep. Though there are characters of both genders unavailable to both Shepards, of course. The Krogan come to mind, as does Chakwas.

 

FemShep who is a default lesbian who was actually 'punished' by the game for being straight.

...I have no idea what you're trying to say here. How does Kaidenmancing punish Femshep? And she'd be a default bisexual, not default lesbian. Assuming that your "default" is referring to Liara. (Liara's gender being "female" is a whole 'nother can of worms).

 

 

 There are gay warrior lovers stories in Iliad. Sigmund and Brunhild does count but its hardly a romance. Actually romance between paired male and female warriors are very rare in mythology almost non-existent especially with female warrior. Persephone is the daughter of Demeter and the wife for Hades who is her uncle . I think you mean Penelope.

 

I'd argue Theseus and Hippolyta are a warrior couple, as are Aife and Cu Chulainn, Atalanta and whichever of the two people she married (sources vary), Bradamante and Ruggiero, Hofund and Hervor, Banu Goshasp and Riv, Kali and Shiva, Ishtar and (almost!) Gilgamesh...

 

And yeah, I meant Penelope. Woops.

[Batarian Master Race]

Nobody is giving a clearly defined answer on why BroShep is attractive to them as a individual person regardless of his looks and achievement.

And since his personality isn't defined due to Paragon/Renegade, what else can we judge him on?

 

There's a still a lot of skewed male-to-female ratio in ME. Female turians and female batarians are non-existent except for ME3's DLC and one character in Camala in ME: Revelation. Even with Nyreen, she was protected by the military and she couldn't use her abilities to benefit her people and contrast to that to Vyrnnus who is ranked Commander and obviously a war veteran.

Batarians are fairly underrepresented as a whole, and xenophobic to boot; we don't know too much about their culture to judge the gender disparity. While the non-prevalence of female turians is a fair point (though I'd argue that the models just hadn't been created), Nyreen was held back due to her biotics, not her gender.

 

In the trilogy, female krogans vastly outnumbered male krogans (in fact we see more dead female krogan and one Eve and her survival are optional). 

The females don't leave Tuchanka due to their massive importance. Similar to how we don't see female salarians.

 

Other than FemShep and Captain Riley, all N7 graduates and trainee are mostly male. 

Evidence?

 

 

Male is still the dominant sex in the ME verse even with the normalization of female being in roles of power, the development of strength implants for female combatants and an entire alien race of agender species with female characteristics and using feminine terms. 

...Evidence?

 

 

Even in all club scenes, there's only female human or asari strippers. 

Fair point. But where are the Salarian strippers? Or the Krogan strip-

 

Well. There they are.

[Vazgen]

You argue about gameplay limitations. It is the only reason we didn't see any turian females before ME3. Salarian and krogan females also have high importance to their species and thus are rarely seen outside of their homeworlds (and the ones we've seen hold very important positions - Councilor and Dalatrass). Lore-wise there is no discrimination against women in MEU. Nyreen was held back due to her biotics, Ashley - due to her family history.

 

Personally I would not date Broshep, simply because I'm a straight male. I might try to date Femshep but it would certainly not work out in long term. I can see myself being friends with both of them. 

[Pasquale1234]

There's a still a lot of skewed male-to-female ratio in ME.

Sort of.

I certainly did notice the lack of female Turians, Salarians, Volus, etc. during my first visit to the Citadel in ME1, and was somewhat disappointed by that.

But the simple truth is this:
-- Most game developers are males.
-- Males are always the "default" anything. Females are the "other".
-- Modeling individuals of both sexes is extra work.

I do think they were relying on the Asari presence and world lore to make the world appear more gender balanced, since it hasn't always been reflected in the actual characters we encounter.

And I'll admit to being disappointed when I finally did see a female Krogan and Turian. Turian males look like their legs are attached to an axle, and their chests are as deep as they are wide, complete with a sort of "shelf" that slopes from the neck down to the widest part. Turian females are built much like human females - narrow waists, wider hips, and mammalian breasts. The Krogan female had quite the little wiggle in her walk. Apparently, a female of any species must have some sort of characteristic that would make her sexually appealing to humans. Or have some flashing neon sign that says "female!" lest she be taken for the default male.

Still can't believe Turian females have breasts and pelvises built like humans. Gah.

[Vazgen]

Turian females do not have breasts

They also have quite long and thin necks

[aoibhealfae]

If you swap the genders, the same is true for Femshep. Though there are characters of both genders unavailable to both Shepards, of course. The Krogan come to mind, as does Chakwas.

 

...I have no idea what you're trying to say here. How does Kaidenmancing punish Femshep? And she'd be a default bisexual, not default lesbian. Assuming that your "default" is referring to Liara. (Liara's gender being "female" is a whole 'nother can of worms).

 

I'd argue Theseus and Hippolyta are a warrior couple, as are Aife and Cu Chulainn, Atalanta and whichever of the two people she married (sources vary), Bradamante and Ruggiero, Hofund and Hervor, Banu Goshasp and Riv, Kali and Shiva, Ishtar and (almost!) Gilgamesh...

 

And yeah, I meant Penelope. Woops.

If you assume FemShep is straight like BroShep from the start, you'll only get four person who openly notice her as an attractive woman. The first is Kaidan, then Harkin, then Jacob and Thane. Same goes if one would assume BroShep as default gay... which only exist in ME3.

 

Kaidan do punish FemShep for being with Cerberus and being with anyone other than him. He's really brutal about it. And if she romanced Thane, he would flirt like her boyfriend wasn't dead. If she romanced Jacob, he wasn't so subtle about mentioning that she deserve it. 

 

 

And having sex with Sha'ira and Liara is technically 'straight'? 

 

15th and 16th century romance are classical literature, they are not several millennial old oral and stone tablet myths. Chu Chulainn killed their son. Atalanta wasn't even willing and Hippomenes cheated to marry her and they got turned into lion. Gods and goddesses are dangerous territory and they're often related at some point. Kali and Shiva are husband and wife but they're definitely not a romantic symbolism.

 

 

And since his personality isn't defined due to Paragon/Renegade, what else can we judge him on?

 

Batarians are fairly underrepresented as a whole, and xenophobic to boot; we don't know too much about their culture to judge the gender disparity. While the non-prevalence of female turians is a fair point (though I'd argue that the models just hadn't been created), Nyreen was held back due to her biotics, not her gender.

 

The females don't leave Tuchanka due to their massive importance. Similar to how we don't see female salarians.

 

Evidence?

 

 

...Evidence?

 

 

Fair point. But where are the Salarian strippers? Or the Krogan strip-

 

Well. There they are.

 

..... there are more to Shepard than just his or her own more alignment. Even neutral FemShep have a lot of personality..

 

Commander Vyrnnus is a biotic turian and he is valued military officer until his demise by Kaidan's kick. Have you seen more turian female in military or any acknowledgement of them. Nyreen is deprived of advancement just like any other female soldier in real life facing combat-exclusion policy.

 

Infertile female are being used as decoy to protect fertile female or to surrender themselves to depression or high risk experiments. That is their worth.

 

Dalatrass Linron is a female Salarian. In fact Salarian are ruled by their female matriarchs. Councilor Valern answer to these ladies.

 

Seriously? And FemShep is a Commander, right? Her spacer mother is a Real Admiral, right? ME1, all soldiers are fitted with implants including Ashley and soldier FemShep. And ME2's FemShep are fixed with these implants too which give her an advantage in handling Widow. And if you do read the War Assets, there are mentions of Asari Commandos using strengthening implants just for handling Widow.

 

Mods.

[aoibhealfae]

Sort of.

I certainly did notice the lack of female Turians, Salarians, Volus, etc. during my first visit to the Citadel in ME1, and was somewhat disappointed by that.

But the simple truth is this:
-- Most game developers are males.
-- Males are always the "default" anything. Females are the "other".
-- Modeling individuals of both sexes is extra work.

I do think they were relying on the Asari presence and world lore to make the world appear more gender balanced, since it hasn't always been reflected in the actual characters we encounter.

And I'll admit to being disappointed when I finally did see a female Krogan and Turian. Turian males look like their legs are attached to an axle, and their chests are as deep as they are wide, complete with a sort of "shelf" that slopes from the neck down to the widest part. Turian females are built much like human females - narrow waists, wider hips, and mammalian breasts. The Krogan female had quite the little wiggle in her walk. Apparently, a female of any species must have some sort of characteristic that would make her sexually appealing to humans. Or have some flashing neon sign that says "female!" lest she be taken for the default male.

Still can't believe Turian females have breasts and pelvises built like humans. Gah.

They gave us "Asari are not females" conundrum. They should have just make them as ambisexual hermaphroditic aliens like the Gethenians in Ursula K Le Guin's "The Left Hand of Darkness" rather than mind melding and weird reproductive gene thingy (I wish I could learn more about how one species could survive with just depending on genomic map of another species. Technically that just mean the Asari simply doing an altered form of asexual reproduction). It made more sense for the Asari to be androgynous if the game creators insisted on them being Not!Female. 

[Vazgen]

Commander Vyrnnus was a mercenary, not a member of Turian military.

Nyreen was held back due to her biotics. Here are codex entries on her and Turian Cabals: Link

Spoiler

Oft-suspicious of biotics, the turians shipped Nyreen off to the Cabal units, where her abilities and experience were grossly underutilized.

 

***

 

Centuries ago, during the Unification Wars, military black ops would recruit turian biotics as infiltrators, planting them anonymously in the regular infantry as "observers" or using them as assassins. This historical practice has left a cultural bias against biotic soldiers among the turian rank-and-file. As a result, the Turian Hierarchy prefers to keep its Cabals isolated from other branches of the military, citing "safety and unit cohesion concerns." Even turians whose biotic abilities are not combat-proficient are segregated into Cabals, often forcing them to cut short their promising careers in order to serve as a medic or maintenance officer.

There is nothing about women being underrepresented in N7 program in the article you posted. More so, it is explicitly stated that:

Spoiler

The highest grade of training, N6, provides actual combat experience in combat zones throughout the galaxy. If the trainee survives these scenarios in "admirable and effective fashion," he or she finally receives the coveted N7 designation.

On Fuel Reactors mission you can encounter two female human N7 officers (Riley and crouched Engineer) and one male, as well as one Turian.

[Batarian Master Race]

And since Mshep and Fshep have the same personality, they have the same reasons why people would be attracted to them.

 

I don't think that romancing the VS is punishing the player for Shepard's orientation. If that were so, you could argue Shepard is "punished" for not being omnisexual. The loss of Ashley isn't talked about by any of the female LIs, to the best of my knowledge.

 

Having sex with Liara and the Consort doesn't make a woman gay. You're erasing the existence of bisexuals. Which is odd, because the two partners you mention are canonically bi.

 

You asked for warrior couples, not warrior couples without problems.

 

As mentioned above, Nyreen's biotics are what hold her back from the Turian military. With proof, even.

 

Krogan females may have their own caste system (in which the infertile are lower-ranked than the fertile), but they're undeniably valued higher than Krogan males. The Disposable Male trope is in full effect.

 

We do see a few female Salarians, but those possess tremendous power; they're not soldiers because they're too valuable to die.

 

Everyone needs mods to handle the Widow; it's a Geth weapon. Same with needing mods to use the Claymore.

 

You've shown no argument for male supremacy in the MEverse, and shown no reason to prefer F over M as a person, other than the extremely-iffy "She doesn't fit archetypes" rationale, and even that's lacking. She's just a genderflipped Greek Hero if you are to be believed. How does that make her more enticing than a non-genderflipped Greek Hero?

 

 

 

P.S. If Asari are female, then they majorly tip the balance of gender relations in the MEverse. If they are NOT female, Fshep has no gay romances until ME3. Which is it?

[Mordokai]

 Liara; the first time you met her, you saved her from being trapped in a bubble, you saved her from an assassination attempt by exposing her assistant, you saved her from Tela Vasir and you saved her on Mars

 

I agree that you save her from Therum, but the other three?

 

She survives even if you ignore her the entire time, so one can assume that she'd be just fine on her own. Though there is this interesting fanfic that portrays how things might have worked out if Shepard didn't played role in this. It can be read here.

 

From what I recall, she saves you from Tela Vasir. That glass was mighty sharp and was traveling awfully fast in your general direction and Liara's barrier sure came in handy.

 

Mars? She seemed to handle herself pretty well, what with double tapping those troopers.

[Pasquale1234]

Turian females do not have breasts

They also have quite long and thin necks

I noticed the super-long, thin neck - which is another characteristic regarded as attractive on human females.

 

I don't think Patrick was lying, but perhaps he hadn't seen the out of armor model when he posted that.  Out of armor, the Turian females look much more like human females than Turian males - including breasts and hips.

 
https://youtu.be/gVd7EzAeyRc?t=12m37s
 
https://youtu.be/kZXTbTWT6PA?t=7m45s

[Batarian Master Race]

I noticed the super-long, thin neck - which is another characteristic regarded as attractive on human females.

 

...That's regarded as attractive? I mean, Nyreen makes a strong case for Turians being evolved from giraffes.

[Vazgen]

I noticed the super-long, thin neck - which is another characteristic regarded as attractive on human females.

 

I don't think Patrick was lying, but perhaps he hadn't seen the out of armor model when he posted that.  Out of armor, the Turian females look much more like human females than Turian males - including breasts and hips.

 
https://youtu.be/gVd7EzAeyRc?t=12m37s
 
https://youtu.be/kZXTbTWT6PA?t=7m45s

I found it off-putting personally. Really made her look alien to me, as opposed to Garrus.

 

We don't see them naked, don't we? Perhaps its the shape of their carapace. It might resembles breasts when covered with cloth, true, but its not that. Or maybe it's the clothing style.

Here are some renditions to illustrate what I'm talking about:

Spoiler

We are explicitly told that those are not breasts. We also have no lore confirming that turian females have breasts. What we have is clothed turian females. I would not go with "breasts" explanation unless it is officially confirmed.

[Pasquale1234]

...That's regarded as attractive? I mean, Nyreen makes a strong case for Turians being evolved from giraffes.

 

Well, yeah, it is pretty extreme.

 

And while searching for a link to answer you, I found neckfetish.net and some other things I shan't share.

 

But, yeah, apparently it's a thing.

 

http://images.search...active on women
 

[Altair_ShepardN7]

The offtopic is reaaally strong with this one. 

[Pasquale1234]

I found it off-putting personally. Really made her look alien to me, as opposed to Garrus.

 

We don't see them naked, don't we? Perhaps its the shape of their carapace. It might resembles breasts when covered with cloth, true, but its not that. Or maybe it's the clothing style.

Here are some renditions to illustrate what I'm talking about:

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We are explicitly told that those are not breasts. We also have no lore confirming that turian females have breasts. What we have is clothed turian females. I would not go with "breasts" explanation unless it is officially confirmed.

 

Carapace shaped like mammalian breasts?  Why would that be unique to Turian females?

 

All I know is what I see in-game.

 

I had always found (male) Turians' pelvic area pretty interesting, and very alien.  To me, it really, truly does look like an axle that attaches legs instead of wheels.  I expected it may be similar on the females, but what we see in game looks much more like human anatomy.

 

There are a lot of differences between that concept art and what we got in-game.  Once Tali became a popular LI, they really humanized the face compared to the original concept.  I suspect a similar thing is happening with other species.

 

And no, I don't mean to imply that female Turians have milk-producing bags of fat on their chests - only that whatever they have looks an awful lot like human female anatomy in everyday clothing.

 

Regardless, I was disappointed when I finally saw female Turians.  I was hoping for something more alien.

[KaiserShep]

There are a lot of differences between that concept art and what we got in-game.  Once Tali became a popular LI, they really humanized the face compared to the original concept.  I suspect a similar thing is happening with other species.

 

I haven't seen the concept art before playing the series, but it seems like Tali's face always had hints of being human-like in ME1, albeit with glowing eyes. 

 

As for the turians, it was my understanding that it was established early on that the sexual dimorphism in them was minor, and that the females would closely resemble the males, whereas now they almost look like a separate species.

[von uber]

If the Asari were portrayed as an all male species you'd notice the gender imbalance even more.