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[Antmarch456]

Fem-Shep seems to have more expression than Bro-Shep

[Valmar]

Femshep.
I'm sick, like really really sick to the back teeth of playing white American men. Broshep is just another tediously dull example of it.

If I see a game that has a white stubbly gruff voiced male American lead I immediately dislike it as it just speaks of a whole volume of lazy tropes that will come with the game.

It's such a creatively bankrupt choice. It's just SO ****** BORING. ARRRGGGHHH IT REALLY ANNOYS ME.

So yeah.

Femshep. The only shep.

 

Not only is Mark Meer (the voice of male Shepard) not American you also don't have to play as a white Shepard. You can be whatever race you want to be - I've played as a Japanese Shepard more than a few times and even Hispanic. People should not be so quick to deliver their opinion like a factual statement. I didn't find Meer's performance dull or SO ****** BORING. Some people did and that's fine, we all have preferences.

 

BroShep is no more a representation of a white american male than Femshep is a represenation of a white american woman. Their ethnicity can be altered according to the desires of the player. One of best things about Mass Effect, imo, is the level of customization they give the player in modeling their Shepard.

 

 

Anyway, I play as 'broShep' because I'm a male - that's ultimately my biggest justification personally. There are various reasons but they all come back to being a male so that's really the foundation for which all the other reasons come into play. Playing as a female lead feels odd to me when I get the option to play as a male. I place a certain juvenility to it. It doesn't help that so many people choose females for reasons like "I want to see her ass". I'm not saying there aren't other, legit reasons to play them or that everyone plays it for those reasons. Only that I can't help but place that association there. I too often see people playing female characters just to sexual them (Skyrim mods anyone?) and its left a sour taste in my mouth over the years.

 

Playing as a female just isn't something I prefer or enjoy and often times it acts as a hurdle for me to get across to enjoy the game. Loved Tomb Raider though, so I'm not saying its impossible, just that its a turn off for me in general.

 

Also as a side-note, personally, I had no problem with Mr. Meer's voice acting. The only moment that stood out to me enough to remember still is the STEEEEEVE - which isn't really his fault. That being said I would had liked if there was a little bit of voice control in the character creator to kind of change the tone or pitch. I'm sure it wouldn't be perfect but I would had preferred some of my renegade playthroughs to sound a bit more gruff and deep. You know, the things some people HATE and call cliche. I'd enjoy that on certain playthroughs. The more options the better, imo.

 

Disclaimer: this is only my PERSONAL preference and is in no way a judgement of how anyone else chooses to play.

[mesiasmith]

When I m new comer to Mass Effect trilogy game. I start and played with BroShep because I m male player, yeah simple reason.

 

But until I try FemShep for test alternative some ability in early misson of ME2. I never go back to BroShep.

I replay ME1 with FemShep and then make everything new. 

 

There are many reasons why I m in love with FemShep.

 

- Jennifer Hale voice act really cool. I thought it better than the male

- Femshep body/emotional look pretty and much dynamic than the male (i don t know how to say correctly in English)

- Varies romance option: with aliens (Asari, Drell, Turian), human male (Jacob?) and female (Samantha ). 

- Male protagonist is too mainstream

 

My fav class all the time of FemShep is adept.

It's look cool to protect the galaxy with biotic power (gunplay look similar to other TPS game).

I m always romance with Liara because this is the sci-fi story...why not having romance with human-like alien, huh?  

[Cobwebmaster]

As I am a man I play a male Shepard. Why? It's really simple I like being a man and therefore I will always play one. I have no desire to be a female anything and would feel uncomfortable in that  role. Yes I have played Tomb Raider where there is no other option but to play Lara Croft but that is not an rpg 

[im commander shep]

I'm quite torn when it comes to fem/bro shep my headcanon is bro shep but I do think Hale does the emotional moments, which there are many so well. Meer with a few are just cringe. Also the Garrus and Traynor romances are so good with femshep. My favourite romance is and will always be Tali so because of this broshep prob just takes it.

[Rusted Cage]

Posibly relevant, Reality Check's Character Creation Psychology Part 2: Why Do We Change Gender?

[EKozski]

I'm a male. So, total male Shep. Never got into the female Shep.

He's romanced everybody he could: Kaidan, Cortez, Ashley, Liara. But, not Allers.

So, any new (imported) games I play, he's a monk. Sleeps alone.

[Autoola]

MaleShep. Female is way too tough, excluding the moments when she´s horny.   BroShep is more sensitive than her, more realistic imo.

[von uber]

Not only is Mark Meer (the voice of male Shepard) not American you also don't have to play as a white Shepard. You can be whatever race you want to be - I've played as a Japanese Shepard more than a few times and even Hispanic. People should not be so quick to deliver their opinion like a factual statement. I didn't find Meer's performance dull or SO ****** BORING. Some people did and that's fine, we all have preferences.

 

BroShep is no more a representation of a white american male than Femshep is a represenation of a white american woman. Their ethnicity can be altered according to the desires of the player. One of best things about Mass Effect, imo, is the level of customization they give the player in modeling their Shepard.

 

Not sure why you singled my post out, but hey ho. You do realise that it was my opinion, not a factual statement.

I am bored of the white male trope (yes I know you can customise Shep, but given all the marketing (until belated ME3 came around) was for Sheploo that is the image you get. Femshep might as well not have existed until ME3 according to the marketing department.

 

I was not singling Meer's performance out, I was saying playing as yet another male character was boring. Playing as femshep makes the game feel different to so many other games out there which feature a (white) male gruff voiced beefcake protagonist.

 

I'm not even to going to touch the rest of your post about the reasoning as to why people play femshep (I note you don't consider the fact that some gamers might actually be female).

 

As a further aside, I do I find it strange that a lot of people cannot, in a role playing game, envisage playing a role that is a different gender to themselves. Surely that is the essence of playing a role? You are playing as a bloody space marine, it's only a small step to swap gender surely?

 

Maybe this whole gamergate mess wouldn't have happened if people had at the very least considered doing so (but somehow I doubt it; in any event I wouldn't ****** on them if they were on fire).

[Mordokai]

I'm a male. So, total male Shep. Never got into the female Shep.

 

I'm a guy and I never had problems with playing female characters, Shep included. Heck, I often enjoy it more that way.

 

Does that make me weird or gay?

[Daemul]

I prefer Hale for Shepard and the Liara romance. Also the Traynor romance. I felt she portrayed Shepard very consistently throughout the series. Her perceived fall off in the third installment among players comparing the two was due to Meer's drastic improvement. Honestly I think Meer's coaching wouldn't let him be more of himself during the romance scenes.

 

Hillis and Hale have tremendous chemistry together, they both put some work in making the romance sound authentic. 

 

Another reason for me to play femShep is I like looking at women more. Sad, I know, but there it is.

 

There's no reason to be sad about that, I've been pretty open of the fact that one of the main reasons I originally created a Femshep was for the girl on girl action. I regret nothing. 

 

I also have to say, the way some of the armour is shaped perfectly around Femsheps body eh.. *cough* *cough*. Wow, would you

look at the time. 

 

I'd think it would be tougher to go backwards on Liara's incarnations for sure. She was definitely a much different character in ME1... although she portrayed the geeky bookwormy, uncomfortable-with-other-species, naive scientist rather well. As for Jack... well, hell, I love Jack, particularly evolving her character as a paragon... even if I can't seem to keep her alive lately 

 

"Jack. The one you don't take home to mom". But lawd, girls like Jack would set my world on fire(in bed). She's crazy though, I can see why people don't like her.

 

Meer for Paragon Shepard, Hale for Renegade Shepard.

 

 

Hale does not suit renegade at all, I just cannot take her seriously when she starts talking in that wannabe badass voice, it's hilariously wrong.   

[Valmar]

Not sure why you singled my post out, but hey ho. You do realise that it was my opinion, not a factual statement.wouldn't ****** on them if they were on fire).

 

I realize it was your opinion, because it wasn't factual. My argument was how you presented it as if it was factual. Your exact words:

"I'm sick, like really really sick to the back teeth of playing white American men. Broshep is just another tediously dull example of it."

 

You're saying Broshep was an example of playing a white American man. You didn't say "in my opinion" or "to me" you just said it. Everyone else before you listed their personal opinions on the subject while you word yours as if it is an absolute. Your listed your complaints as objective which is why I took steps to correct them. If you say you hate Broshep because its just another American white dude I say you're unfairly and unjustly judging it based off a false presumption. You didn't just say "I'm tired of playing male characters so I play female" - which would be perfectly valid.

 

You said you're sick to the teeth of white american men. A role that Broshep DOESN'T actually have to fit. Complaining about the skin color of Shepard works both ways despite the gender because Shepard's ethnicity is up to the player regardless of the gender.

 

If you want to complain that you're sick of white american men why not also complain you're tired of white american women. Femshep is marketed as a white woman and because shes white she must be American if you apply the same logic you use to judge broShep (you call him American even though theres nothing saying he is). Complaining about Shepard, regardless of gender, over something as silly as skin color and nationality is ridiculous when you, as the player, have full control over it. It's like someone saying they won't play the game because they don't want to play a white dude. That is no reason not to play because its based on the false assumption that you HAVE to play as a white dude. Shepard is whatever race, gender and skin tone you want him/her to be.

 

 

I am bored of the white male trope (yes I know you can customise Shep, but given all the marketing (until belated ME3 came around) was for Sheploo that is the image you get. Femshep might as well not have existed until ME3 according to the marketing department.

 

This is one of the most silly argument's I've seen. Since Femshep barely existed then you must not like playing her either if you're actually letting the marketing decide rather or not you like the character. I don't like the marketing because it isn't /MY/ Shepard and would prefer they had just kept the N7 helmet on Shepard. I stop giving a damn the moment I launch the game and  realize that its all completely irrelevant, though. What does it matter what they market Shep as? The gender and race are still ultimately up to you, the player, not the marketing team.

 

 

I was not singling Meer's performance out, I was saying playing as yet another male character was boring.

 

That's perfectly reasonable. This isn't what you said initially, you made it more than just playing a male character. You specifically called broShep just another dull white american male. Your complaint wasn't that you play as a male, but rather that you play as a white american male. Which isn't true because those are factors you can completely change about Shepard.

 

 

Playing as femshep makes the game feel different to so many other games out there which feature a (white) male gruff voiced beefcake protagonist.

 

Again you mention the skin color as if it is at all relevant. Shepard's skin color is up to the player. If you don't want to be another white guy in a game then don't. I know this is possible because of how many Shepard's I've played as. Shepard's ethnicity is up to the player. This is why I say you should not judge the character based off these things. As for Shepard sounding gruff... this is clearly subjective since my only complaint about Meer's performance was that I felt he WASN'T gruff enough for my renegade walkthroughs.

 

As for Shepard being a beefcake...

Spoiler

 

Mmmm-mmm!

 

I'm not even to going to touch the rest of your post about the reasoning as to why people play femshep (I note you don't consider the fact that some gamers might actually be female).

 

Strawman ahoy! I was talking specifically about males playing female characters and why I place a juvenile view on it. I also specifically pointed out that I wasn't talking in absolutes or saying these are the sole reasons. Stay classy.

 

 

 

I'm a guy and I never had problems with playing female characters, Shep included. Heck, I often enjoy it more that way.

 

Does that make me weird or gay?

 

You make one post in this topic and its solely for the purpose of being argumentative? I play male characters because I am male. Following your logic should that mean I think you're weird and gay? Are you really taking someone's personal preference as an insult on your own personal preferences? Are we not entitled to our own opinions? Why must we act as though someones personal justification for a choice must therein be enforced on everyone else?

[ImaginaryMatter]

Hale does not suit renegade at all, I just cannot take her seriously when she starts talking in that wannabe badass voice, it's hilariously wrong.   

 

I've had enough of your disingenuous assertions!

 

[Mordokai]

You make one post in this topic and its solely for the purpose of being argumentative? I play male characters because I am male. Following your logic should that mean I think you're weird and gay? Are you really taking someone's personal preference as an insult on your own personal preferences? Are we not entitled to our own opinions? Why must we act as though someones personal justification for a choice must therein be enforced on everyone else?

 

 

Yeah...

[SporkFu]

As for Shepard being a beefcake...

Mmmm-mmm!

Not gonna get into this argument, and really I'm just quoting you to make a simple request... please, seriously. Spoiler tags are your friend. They live to be used. It makes them so happy. 

[Valmar]

 

Yeah...

 

My sentiments exactly in relation to your calling out EKozski.

 

 

Not gonna get into this argument, and really I'm just quoting you to make a simple request... please, seriously. Spoiler tags are your friend. They live to be used. It makes them so happy. 

 

Fair point. I didn't realize how large the .gif was - I copied it from a google display window that shrunk it down quite a bit apparently. Bit strange actually, .gifs aren't usually made in such large resolutions. My apologies.

[SporkFu]

Fair point. I didn't realize how large the .gif was - I copied it from a google display window that shrunk it down quite a bit apparently. Bit strange actually, .gifs aren't usually made in such large resolutions. My apologies.

Thank you. 

[Mordokai]

My sentiments exactly in relation to your calling out EKozski.

 

WorkingAsIntendedTM.

[RanetheViking]

I've been offline for a few days (long story) but it seems I started something in the other thread. 

 

Personally I play and prefer Bro Shep. Mostly because it's a role playing game and I put myself into the role. A straight white male.  Call that boring if you like, but this is my first RPG and the MaleShep felt the better choice. For me.

 

When I first played Mass Effect and I saw you had the choice to choose gender I naturally went with the Male as that seemed appropriate for me. That the FemSheps looked like someone's kid sister dressed up for cos play, although ironically FemShep has the better face modding capability, didn't help. (That's why I stick with Sheploo. The Male face modding is terrible imo).

 

I have played FemShep, but honestly didn't enjoy it as much as the Male counterpart.  And as for voice acting I think Mr. Meer did a good job overall and actually got better as the trilogy went on. Miss/Mrs./Ms ? Hales voice acting was good, but a lot of scenes were over done I think. 

 

This is just my opinion.  My two cents, so to speak.

[mesiasmith]

I'm a guy and I never had problems with playing female characters, Shep included. Heck, I often enjoy it more that way.

 

Does that make me weird or gay?

 

Even I always played as femShep but I NEVER want to have a romance choice with human male  (Kaidan, Jacob, James) or human-like male alien (Garrus, Thane). 

I dont want to see myself having xxx with male even I role as femShep. Is it weird? 

 

Surely I m NOT gay, but it may be the same reason why (almost of) male happy to watch lesbian movie and absolutely refuse to watch the gay movie 

 

For other Role-Playing like Dragon Age, SW:KOTOR or even Borderlands, I m still choose to role as female protagonist. 

[BananaDePijama]

I play mostly as FemShep, because i like to romance Liara with her... I think it's because Liara is so cute

 

My FemShep name is '' Tuca Shepard '', and my GF plays ME as well, and thinks that the best romance for FemShep is Liara... Nothing against BroShep, because i have a save game with BroShep to romance Tali, because Tali is cute, her helmet is beautiful and she got those '' DEM HIPS ''.

 

I still prefer FemShep, btw both Jennifer Hale and Mark Meer are awesome Voice Actors.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I'll play a female character in any game that offers a strong female protagonist. This is because in 90% of games I have to play as a male protagonist. I'm a woman. Why should I choose to play as male Shepard or a male Inquisitor when there's a female option available? I'm glad Bioware got the top notch Jennifer Hale to voice Shepard. She'll always be the voice of Shepard to me. Shepard is female to me. Strong female protagonist. What's not to love?

[78stonewobble]

Mshep. I just find it more immersive, for me.

 

Main characters voice acting doesn't matter too much to me... Since I imagine me saying it anyway *lol* ...

 

Still think it could have bee fun as hell to have a game, like mass effect, with the option to record your own voice acting. Perhaps even upload and share. Imagine all the crazy interpretations we could have.

[MegaIllusiveMan]

Mshep. I just find it more immersive, for me.

 

Main characters voice acting doesn't matter too much to me... Since I imagine me saying it anyway *lol* ...

 

Still think it could have bee fun as hell to have a game, like mass effect, with the option to record your own voice acting. Perhaps even upload and share. Imagine all the crazy interpretations we could have.

 

I do that in RPGs that your Character has no voice, like both KotOR Games and DA:O

[Dabrikishaw]

 

 

 

Hale does not suit renegade at all, I just cannot take her seriously when she starts talking in that wannabe badass voice, it's hilariously wrong.   

Eh, I'm cool with it.