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[Gambit458]

Depends on better. FemShep's straight romances tend to be dramatic and none of them are similar to one another which is a nice change. BroShep's straight romance hardly have any conflict. Girls just swoon at him without much an effort at his side except perhaps, Jack. Most of lovers doesn't do much to the narrative and it was more "boy meet girl, girl unload everything on him, they realize they were meant for each other have sex" fluff.... I've written basic vanilla romance like this since I was a teenager..

Except Male Shep's romances have better personalities. Aside from Garrus, none really compare to Miranda, Tali(especially Tali, Liara, and such. Femshep's had conflict? Not really but sure

[KaiserShep]

Can't count Liara since she's available to both.

[aoibhealfae]

Kaidan don't like her working with Cerberus. Thane run toward Kai Leng's sword. Jacob found himself another girl to love. The only conflict with Garrus was trying to convince him that interspecies relationship will work between them. Either way, each of them show a different side of FemShep. FemShep who romanced Kaidan show a lot of vulnerability and they have to sort out their issues to gain their trust for each other. FemShep who romanced Garrus love his loyalty and the attention he shower her. FemShep cried real tears for Thane. FemShep who romanced Jacob was scorned and can be vicious because he hurt her and she does displays signs of jealousy with Brynn. With Traynor, FemShep show a more playful side of her.

 

Liara isnt FemShep specific romance and her reaction is the same with either Shepard. Sbarge always portray Kaidan primarily with FemShep in mind.

 

BroShep on the other hand. He can be caring, heroic or renegade-y but it was truly rare for him to display genuine human emotions other than keeping it cool. It was always the romance interest who display them for him; Jack, Liara, Miranda, Tali, Ashley even Cortez all crumble and cry around him. Even when they died, he merely make sad faces. No genuine grief, tears or emoness. Just... ... nothing. 

 

He doesn't even portray himself to be a real person, let alone desirable. While FemShep does. She can be adorable herself. She like to jiggle her hips when she dance in ME1. In ME1 with Kaidan, she was the one where camera pan sexily from her naked shapely butt. In ME2, even her tendency to spread out her legs to sit was cute even if its cringe-inducing. She can be a very bad flirt. She can tango. I did try asking around to see if anyone ever see BroShep as a desirable... all I get was silence. Blasto the Hanar Spectre have more sexual allure than BroShep, which is very weird. But FemShep, she can be a fun girl to love.

[von uber]

Male characters have always been more interesting than female.

This sort of statement doesn't do your argument any favours at all.

[obbie31]

I don't see how broshep's romances don't have personality and conflict. With Jack, its hard enough just to get her to open up to you and even afterwards she can still be difficult. With Miranda, there is always Miranda's sister, and her having to run from Cerberus assassins. I do wish they showed Shep being a bit more concerned for her outside of one scene though. With Tali it would be trying to take back their homeworld and having to choose between the geth and quarians. If you don't have everything in place, you have to choose between your girl (and her annoying race who was wrong in the conflict) or commiting genocide against an entire race. Outside of Miranda, they may not exactly be personal issues, but issues nonetheless.

 

And broshep has flirty and joking banter with Tali, and the final goodbye before the beam shows that broshep cares about Tali. The voice acting is especially good there. Ashley, Jack, and Miranda were not instant fan girls of Shepard, so not every love interest immediately swoons over him. And Ashley can be quiet a handful herself. And the Citadel DLC with all the love interests can show a human side of broshep.

 

I will admit many scenes with femshep romances are fantastic, but I don't think she shows as much emotion as people claim if the love interest dies outside of Thane. And broshep also has his quirks as well. He can come off as goofy, funny, perverted, teasing, etc. 

[Gambit458]

This sort of statement doesn't do your argument any favours at all.

Except you have no evidence to prove otherwise. Male characters have always been more successful than females, unless of course you're going to tell me everyone I mentioned is unsuccessful? Batman, as one of those I mentioned, is more popular than a vast majority of female characters. It only does my argument no favors because some don't want to accept that it may be true

 

As for Liara, she may be both but Bioware made it apparent that there was more interaction between her and Male Shep. It's like Bastila and Revan 

[von uber]

Except you have no evidence to prove otherwise. Male characters have always been more successful than females, unless of course you're going to tell me everyone I mentioned is unsuccessful? Batman, as one of those I mentioned, is more popular than a vast majority of female characters. It only does my argument no favors because some don't want to accept that it may be true

 

As for Liara, she may be both but Bioware made it apparent that there was more interaction between her and Male Shep. It's like Bastila and Revan 

 

Saying something is more interesting is an entirely subjective opinion. More interesting to you maybe, but not to me - and I suspect not to other people.

If you find the adventures of a privileged white male with parent and anger management issues more interesting than the vast majority of female characters then that's entirely up to you.

 

Personally (and that's the important thing - personally) Shep as a woman is inherently more interesting to me because of the prevalence of the male hero trope, especially in a TPS context.

As was pointed out above, merely the fact that she is a woman in a position of power through her own merit makes her quite unique. She is not defined by her looks or bust size, but her actions - nor is she overtly sexualised. Beauty contest for ME3 aside, that in itself is a rarity.

[KaiserShep]

Except you have no evidence to prove otherwise. Male characters have always been more successful than females, unless of course you're going to tell me everyone I mentioned is unsuccessful? Batman, as one of those I mentioned, is more popular than a vast majority of female characters. It only does my argument no favors because some don't want to accept that it may be true
 
As for Liara, she may be both but Bioware made it apparent that there was more interaction between her and Male Shep. It's like Bastila and Revan

There's no proving opinions, but whether or not a male or female character is interesting would probably depend more on details other than the fact that the character is male or female.

What dialogue does M!Shep have that FemShep doesn't with Liara?

[Gambit458]

There's no proving opinions, but whether or not a male or female character is interesting would probably depend more on details other than the fact that the character is male or female.

What dialogue does M!Shep have that FemShep doesn't with Liara?

I meant by how Bioware promoted the two. More often than not you saw Bioware throwing out Male shep with Liara over any other love interest, which was a little annoying to be honest.

 

Opinion? Hardly, I based my opinion on facts and numbers. Comics for ex, female solo titles have never last as long as male solo titles do. Could it be because of the gender of the reader? The writing? The character chosen for the title? Could be a number of things, however the fact still remained at the end..The male still outsold the female. I used Batman as an example as he is one of the most popular characters out there, but I could have easily used more. Spawn is a black man who's more interesting than someone like say Storm. No it's not "entirely up to me", you just have this notion that females are more interesting because it's "different." Having a prevalence of male heroes doesn't make a female hero more interesting just because it's different. 

 

I could use comics again if I wanted to make that statement true, since it's not the first time they tried to take a dominant male role and replaced it with a female only for it to fail(My avatar Ghost Rider is an example of this when they tried to bring in Alejandra. Never heard of Alejandra? Probably because she was a flop.) A true difference or change would be if the character was of a different race. People like to go on and on about how there's more male over female characters however there's less characters of race, male or female, compared to the typical white character. There's more white girl heroes than there are black, Spanish, Italian, or whatever else male characters for ex. That is an instance where it would be an "interesting change" instead of a different gender. There's nothing about femshep. If you want to talk about a sci fi female who's actually interesting then she's leagues behind other females like Kerrigan, Samus, and such.

 

Trying to argue that femshep is better simply because she's a female is a terrible argument

[von uber]

Eh - trying to argue that male characters are more interesting because they are male is a terrible argument too.
I am not sure using comic books is a terribly good idea, given that the primary demographic (and the demographic targeted) appears to be American male teenagers.
In fact there is a good parallel between them and how computer games used to be (and still are in some respects).

One of the games of the year (and one of my favourites too) Life Is Strange has a female protagonist - the developer is on record saying that most publishers wanted them to change it to a male as they thought that is what is wanted.
Luckily they stood by their principles and created one of the more memorable and interesting characters we've had for a long time.

Now I am sure for you it would have been better with a Mcgruffy Mcgruffalo instead, but for me it worked wonderfully as it was given that it is still fairly unusual to have a female protag, and especially one who isn't designed with appealing to males in mind.

[Gambit458]

Eh - trying to argue that male characters are more interesting because they are male is a terrible argument too.
I am not sure using comic books is a terribly good idea, given that the primary demographic (and the demographic targeted) appears to be American male teenagers.
In fact there is a good parallel between them and how computer games used to be (and still are in some respects).

One of the games of the year (and one of my favourites too) Life Is Strange has a female protagonist - the developer is on record saying that most publishers wanted them to change it to a male as they thought that is what is wanted.
Luckily they stood by their principles and created one of the more memorable and interesting characters we've had for a long time.

Now I am sure for you it would have been better with a Mcgruffy Mcgruffalo instead, but for me it worked wonderfully as it was given that it is still fairly unusual to have a female protag, and especially one who isn't designed with appealing to males in mind.

Except the argument isn't being stated that they're better because they're male, so no..It's not a terrible argument. No actually there are just as many female comic readers as there male, which has already been discussed on comicvine because that question was brought up so incorrect there as well. 

[aoibhealfae]

I don't see how broshep's romances don't have personality and conflict. With Jack, its hard enough just to get her to open up to you and even afterwards she can still be difficult. With Miranda, there is always Miranda's sister, and her having to run from Cerberus assassins. I do wish they showed Shep being a bit more concerned for her outside of one scene though. With Tali it would be trying to take back their homeworld and having to choose between the geth and quarians. If you don't have everything in place, you have to choose between your girl (and her annoying race who was wrong in the conflict) or commiting genocide against an entire race. Outside of Miranda, they may not exactly be personal issues, but issues nonetheless.

 

And broshep has flirty and joking banter with Tali, and the final goodbye before the beam shows that broshep cares about Tali. The voice acting is especially good there. Ashley, Jack, and Miranda were not instant fan girls of Shepard, so not every love interest immediately swoons over him. And Ashley can be quiet a handful herself. And the Citadel DLC with all the love interests can show a human side of broshep.

 

I will admit many scenes with femshep romances are fantastic, but I don't think she shows as much emotion as people claim if the love interest dies outside of Thane. And broshep also has his quirks as well. He can come off as goofy, funny, perverted, teasing, etc. 

 

Notice the bold. What exactly are BroShep's personality here since you're merely presenting the LI and their appeals since you see the idea of 'romance' as the presentation of the LI themselves but not the player's avatar himself. BroShep is still the same person in all of the romance. While there's nothing wrong with a little wish-fulfillment but relationship and characterization shouldn't build on just one person and having a bulk of this exact kind of 'romance' is bad writing. They're called Self-insertion... and not everyone is a fan of Shepard sharing the exact space as Bella Swan and the Sues. 

 

Its was always never the gender that made the character better. For a better comparison, I love Male Hawke. He's funny. He's brutal. He's not a stick in the mud most of the time. He began with nothing and he work his way up to become the Champion of Kirkwall. People go to him because he was dependable and he get things done. He had suffered great loss and for what? A chaotic city filled with crazy people who don't know how to set their priorities straight. Friends who are willing to betray and abandon him. But I also love Female Hawke. She have all the same qualities I love in Male Hawke. His voice is sexy while hers is smooth as silky. As a man and a woman, Hawke is an interesting person and for most part, all of Hawke's characterization is similar to Shepard. Jo Wyatt plays Imperial Agent in SWTOR and even that character share a lot of similarities with Shepard and I love her. I also love Bertie Carvel too. Either gender, the character itself is great.

 

But I feel so disconnected with BroShep. To me, he was a miscast and he made it painfully obvious that everyone else is a better actor than him. He wasn't even trying until very late in the game. Had he done a better job and if he have more experience to carry a big role as Shepard, we won't even be this discussion of "which is better".

[obbie31]

I'd say you have a point but I don't agree with everything. I personally did feel let down by Ash's romance altogether, because Ash herself was awful. But Shep was decent in the memorial scene and he did end up reciting poetry back to Ash. Which means she affected him in some way. I thought Miranda's romance could have been a tad better if Shepard showed more concern for her actual situations. Sanctuary was the biggest offender. I felt broshep should have been more worried and less laid back. But either way, I think major part of the romances itself is the character you are romancing, not Shepard. I personally didn't mind inserting myself into the role of Shepard and thinking how I would feel in that situation. Its a different kind of immersion than the one femshep gives. I understand many won't like it, but there also many that do. 

 

But I feel you did overlook some details I mentioned. I think Tali's romance is by far the best broshep romance (maybe best romance in the series even) because they have natural and interesting interactions. An example being the conversations they have on the dreadnaught. He has a teasing and flirtatious manner with Tali. He feels like a person to me in her romance. He even does a bit of teasing in ME2 as well. 

 

While it matters little to me, I do think gender does matter in general. In games like The Last of Us and The Walking Dead, I'm willing to bet people sympathized with the girls rather than the men. Even though the males went through many hardships on top of having to take care of the female, more probably connected with the girls or felt more for them. And if Ellie had been male and acted the same way, he would not have been as popular. In horror games, people also tend to want to "protect" the female as well. So yeah, I think sometimes just because the character is a female, they can either get away with more, or don't come under the same scrutiny as males.

 

I can see someone not liking his ME1 and even ME2 acting. But outside of a few areas where he poorly delivered his lines, what was wrong with his acting in ME3? And regardless of if his acting was better, these "who is better" topics would still exist. And even then, I don't think its as one sided as that. I've seen a few polls and forums where the numbers are either even or tipped in Meer's favor as to who is better overall. As I said before, I personally wish Hale didn't overact so many lines in ME3, and I wish Meer was more emotive in ME1 and ME2.

[RanetheViking]

This sort of statement doesn't do your argument any favours at all.

And how many times have you posted something similar about the Fem Shep?.

 

There's a lesson here I think ... 

[Silvery]

I do not really have a favorite between the two, I honestly think they are both great. Then again do a male and a female playthrough of every Bioware game, so I am not really biased to either side. 

[Gambit458]

I'd say you have a point but I don't agree with everything. I personally did feel let down by Ash's romance altogether, because Ash herself was awful. But Shep was decent in the memorial scene and he did end up reciting poetry back to Ash. Which means she affected him in some way. I thought Miranda's romance could have been a tad better if Shepard showed more concern for her actual situations. Sanctuary was the biggest offender. I felt broshep should have been more worried and less laid back. But either way, I think major part of the romances itself is the character you are romancing, not Shepard. I personally didn't mind inserting myself into the role of Shepard and thinking how I would feel in that situation. Its a different kind of immersion than the one femshep gives. I understand many won't like it, but there also many that do. 

 

But I feel you did overlook some details I mentioned. I think Tali's romance is by far the best broshep romance (maybe best romance in the series even) because they have natural and interesting interactions. An example being the conversations they have on the dreadnaught. He has a teasing and flirtatious manner with Tali. He feels like a person to me in her romance. He even does a bit of teasing in ME2 as well. 

 

While it matters little to me, I do think gender does matter in general. In games like The Last of Us and The Walking Dead, I'm willing to bet people sympathized with the girls rather than the men. Even though the males went through many hardships on top of having to take care of the female, more probably connected with the girls or felt more for them. And if Ellie had been male and acted the same way, he would not have been as popular. In horror games, people also tend to want to "protect" the female as well. So yeah, I think sometimes just because the character is a female, they can either get away with more, or don't come under the same scrutiny as males.

 

I can see someone not liking his ME1 and even ME2 acting. But outside of a few areas where he poorly delivered his lines, what was wrong with his acting in ME3? And regardless of if his acting was better, these "who is better" topics would still exist. And even then, I don't think its as one sided as that. I've seen a few polls and forums where the numbers are either even or tipped in Meer's favor as to who is better overall. As I said before, I personally wish Hale didn't overact so many lines in ME3, and I wish Meer was more emotive in ME1 and ME2.

Tali's is the best mostly because she really puts herself in harm's way to be with Shepard. With her weak immune system, it can be costly on her to come out of that suit when she wants to get romantic with Shepard, which she informs him about. That kind of stuff from her makes their romance feel more genuine than any of the others. My problem with Hale is most of the characters she plays have b*tchy personalities. Bastila's cute when you flirt with her in KOTOR but damn if she isn't annoying with acting all high and mighty the rest of the time. Palmer in Halo 4 was annoying as well..Both characters that Hale has done. I don't see why people give Meer such a hard time though. Characters like Master Chief, Geralt of Rivia, and such speak in monotone yet people act like they're the greatest thing ever..If Mark Meer doesn't show as much emotion as Hale, all of a sudden Male shep is bad you know? lol

[fhs33721]

Except you have no evidence to prove otherwise. Male characters have always been more successful than females, unless of course you're going to tell me everyone I mentioned is unsuccessful? Batman, as one of those I mentioned, is more popular than a vast majority of female characters. It only does my argument no favors because some don't want to accept that it may be true.

So what exacly even is your argument in this thread? Because if I understood you correctly you are saying that people who personally prefer a female Shepard are objectively wrong to do so because Batman is more popular than any female superhero.

[von uber]

No actually there are just as many female comic readers as there male, which has already been discussed on comicvine because that question was brought up so incorrect there as well.

I assume you have a link to the research to back up that statement?

And how many times have you posted something similar about the Fem Shep?.

There's a lesson here I think ...

I at least (I think) try to stress that it is my opinion rather than an absolute.
Of course there are interesting male as well as female characters - just for me femshep works better because she goes against type.

[Gambit458]

I assume you have a link to the research to back up that statement?

I at least (I think) try to stress that it is my opinion rather than an absolute.
Of course there are interesting male as well as female characters - just for me femshep works better because she goes against type.

You're really going to ask the obvious comic book fan to provide a link for such a statement? You could just google it yourself you know instead of needing me to hold your hand, but sure..Here you go

 

http://www.comicvine...nd-women/87487/

 

http://www.ozy.com/a...mic-buyer/63314

 

If anything, you're the one who needs to provide proof that the major demographic is American male teenagers because it's not. 

[aoibhealfae]

FemShep is too overemotional as Shepard. FemShep sounds like a butch. FemShep sounds like a ******. Men who play FemShep only like to see her butt. Romances for FemShep sucks. FemShep deserves to be forgotten in the first two game she was in. Bioware hate their female main characters that they don't even share the same marketing screen time as their male characters. She doesn't even deserve a trailer or voice the final farewell. FemShep could never be real as a soldier because she's not realistic. There's a statistic, 90% gamers don't pick her as their Shepard. Nobody want to their kick ass first-person shooter franchise with a girl as their star. 

 

Really? I've heard it all.

 

We've been playing an entire trilogy filled with women who are trained proficient killers with assault rifles, pistols, sniper rifles, shotguns and space magic and again we've degenerate into another battle of the sexes again because heaven forbid, you could play as one of these women as their main character.

[von uber]

You're really going to ask the obvious comic book fan to provide a link for such a statement? You could just google it yourself you know instead of needing me to hold your hand, but sure..Here you go

http://www.comicvine...nd-women/87487/

http://www.ozy.com/a...mic-buyer/63314

If anything, you're the one who needs to provide proof that the major demographic is American male teenagers because it's not.

None of those links back up your statement that there are equal men and women reading comics. In fact the first one points out that for DC it is still massively male.

Look if you find male characters more interesting than female than that's great for you, it really is.

Me - being a boring, white, mid 30's fairly well off male currently find stories written with a female protagonist more interesting than one with a male.

Femshep - although fairly gender nuetral although there are differences - all the way back to the encounter with Harkin in ME1 - is inherently more interesting to me because she is a break from the norm.

Likewise it's what made LIS so interesting for me - a character that is really a whole new viewpoint and outlet on the world, and one where being young and female makes her miles more interesting than if it had been a male in the role. It just would not have worked.

[fraggle]

I can see someone not liking his ME1 and even ME2 acting. But outside of a few areas where he poorly delivered his lines, what was wrong with his acting in ME3? And regardless of if his acting was better, these "who is better" topics would still exist. And even then, I don't think its as one sided as that. I've seen a few polls and forums where the numbers are either even or tipped in Meer's favor as to who is better overall. As I said before, I personally wish Hale didn't overact so many lines in ME3, and I wish Meer was more emotive in ME1 and ME2.

 

If Mark Meer doesn't show as much emotion as Hale, all of a sudden Male shep is bad you know? lol

 

That's where I stand, too. Meer in ME2 is already much better than in ME1, and imo better than Hale too here. Hale to me sounds bored as f*ck in ME2, because she tries to sound badass. In ME1, she was more natural and I liked it more than Meer, but ever since ME2 the roles are reversed for me. Meer is amazing in ME3, Hale is okay. I think she tries too hard sometimes. Like during the hospital scenes where the VS is still unconscious, I hate her voice there, it's so overacted.

 

 

However... to me personally it's not so much the voice that counts, but what I make out of my characters. I liked my previous MShep playthroughs, but when I tried FemShep I loved that experience so much (way too much in fact ), even though I like Meer's voice more in general. But that was only because I grew attached to her personality and the dialogue options I picked with her. Both characters are more or less the same to me unless I build a specific personality around them and play it accordingly.

 

Anyway, gender never really matters to me in games, if it's an awesome character, I love them no matter what gender.

[Undead Han]

 

 

But I feel so disconnected with BroShep. To me, he was a miscast and he made it painfully obvious that everyone else is a better actor than him. He wasn't even trying until very late in the game. Had he done a better job and if he have more experience to carry a big role as Shepard, we won't even be this discussion of "which is better".

 

I couldn't disagree more with this.

 

I found Meer's performance overall to be better than Hale's. Meer's Shepard reminded me of many of the Staff NCOs and Mustangs (officers who are prior enlisted) I knew while I was in the military. Overall I thought his performance was spot on.

 

In contrast my impression of Hale as Shepard was that she occasionally emoted a bit too much, and I thought her performance would have been better had she instead went for more subtle approach, and dialed it down a notch or two. Her character felt less authentic because of it.

 

That said I do think Hale had the better performance in ME1. Meer was a little flat at times in the first game, but steadily improved as the series went on.

[aoibhealfae]

I couldn't disagree more with this.

 

I found Meer's performance overall to be better than Hale's. Meer's Shepard reminded me of many of the Staff NCOs and Mustangs (officers who are prior enlisted) I knew while I was in the military. Overall I thought his performance was spot on.

 

In contrast my impression of Hale as Shepard was that she occasionally emoted a bit too much, and I thought her performance would have been better had she instead went for more subtle approach, and dialed it down a notch or two. Her character felt less authentic because of it.

 

That said I do think Hale had the better performance in ME1. Meer was a little flat at times in the first game, but steadily improved as the series went on.

 

I guess it was more up to individual taste really but I don't set myself thinking that Shepard need to be a true soldier first. I don't think you need to have military background to enjoy a military scifi, just as you don't need to be a scientist to write a scifi. Then again, default Shepard is an actual supermodel turned soldier complete with fake tan. I still have old fashion mags in storage with his DKNY ads, so my suspension of disbelief is really thin when he's concerned.

 

While on the surface, they're both the same person and had Jennifer Hale acted Shepard exactly like she did as FemTrooper, I wouldn't complain. But I find BroShep appalling when at times  Meer acted like he was speaking to a wall. It was only very much later that I found out that they were just reading lines and performing them on the fly. So in the game, you're tolerating an amateur against a collection of experienced professional actors. I find myself being really unforgiving when his inexperience shows. In ME2, his badassery is definitely more impressive than Hale's Shep. He's an action hero, he get all the girls hot and bothered, he love pummeling through everything with a rocket launcher, "just like old times, I should go". He hit a lot of right angles in ME2 that appeal many and it work for him... until you realize that isn't it odd that he's supposed to be this dead soldier who came from the dead. But in ME3, he veered again when the writing require him to portray his sensitive human side.. which was hard to do considering it was relatively absent in the first two games. Yes, he may improve and grew confident as time goes by but inconsistency like this can really affect how you resonate toward the character. 

 

At first, I don't understand why ME2's FemShep became so much more reserved, mechanical and cold Terminator (and of course, with masculine animations) and then I realized she's acting like someone who have been through a lot, who suddenly wake up in a nightmare where everyone need her to save the galaxy again, she was drop into an impossible situation again, she felt out of control and out of touch with reality but trying to appear tough on the outside. So in ME3, when they decide to play Shepard with a humanized angle and dealing with PTSD, it really didn't feel out of character for FemShep who was still just as stressed, scared and miserable and still coping with the horrible things that happened to her since the first game (and before that too with the right pre-history). I have more empathy with this woman and she has been consistently displaying her inner strength and resilience the whole time which is really admirable. That was the Shepard I knew and love and frankly that was the Shepard I felt everyone inside the game resonate with. A flawed human being who isn't a hero, a woman who simply too stubborn to give up.

 

Even Mark Meer and Jennifer Hale never met until post-production of ME3 and in a convention of all things. Doesn't that alone tell you that despite all the years, their Shepards are just strangers to each other and its moot point anyway to compare.

[Dantriges]

That's where I stand, too. Meer in ME2 is already much better than in ME1, and imo better than Hale too here. Hale to me sounds bored as f*ck in ME2, because she tries to sound badass. In ME1, she was more natural and I liked it more than Meer, but ever since ME2 the roles are reversed for me. Meer is amazing in ME3, Hale is okay. I think she tries too hard sometimes. Like during the hospital scenes where the VS is still unconscious, I hate her voice there, it's so overacted.

 

Oh, you use the english localisation?