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[KaiserShep]

PS: All of you, what do you refer to Shepard when posting in threads? He, she, s/he or simply Shepard?

I generally just say she nowadays. Might as well just pick one.

[Steelcan]

Male Shep 9/10

[Gambit458]

Yes it would.  What you seem to fail to realize is that the entire premise of the trilogy is there is Shepard and that they are bad ass... it doesn't matter whether it's he or she. So yeah, Shepard can do it, doesn't matter if male or female.

 

The codex says that every Alliance soldier gets a strength enhancements. Don't know exact quote, somebody more knowledgeable than me can do it. But you have it right there, every grunt start pretty much on level. And once Shep is resurrected, once again, why discriminate? The entire point of Lazarus is to make Shepard better than the best... so yeah, it makes ton of sense to make a female weaker just because of that extra X on sexual chromosome, right?

 

What you're doing here is applying a preconceived notion of females being physically weaker than males. In our world, that works out on average. In MEverse and Alliance... it doesn't.

No it wouldn't. Even though she has enhancements, Male Shep would still be stronger because he was male and had them as well. Your argument makes no sense. "FemShep has enhancements so that makes her stronger than Male Shep even though he has those enhancements as well." "Preconceived notion"..Rightttttttt, whatever floats your boat.  Sounds like you're just upset that I said men are naturally stronger than women.  If I asked someone who they thought was stronger between Wrex or Eve then who do you think people would say? I really don't see why people are fussing and making a big deal about it. The only cases in which a female could be physically stronger than a male in ME is if they had enhancements or biotics. Jez so many people making a deal about the Yagh bit. I only brought up the Yagh as one example. I could've used other showings of strength, like when you break Kai Leng's blade at Ceberus base, too if I wanted. Any showing of strength will always look more natural with a male than it would a female. But as I agreed with another, if it were a showing of agility than it would favor a female. If I saw male shep jumping around like Kasumi then I would find that to be very odd

[RZIBARA]

Shepard is a he. 

 

There is no Shepard in my eyes other than the default one. The custom males always look terrible, and Hale's performance as Femshep is terrible. She's always either bored out of her mind, speaking extremely quietly, or trying way to hard.

[Gambit458]

Shepard is a he. 

 

There is no Shepard in my eyes other than the default one. The custom males always look terrible, and Hale's performance as Femshep is terrible. She's always either bored out of her mind, speaking extremely quietly, or trying way to hard.

I have to agree. She's done a better job as Krem in DA I imo

[Mordokai]

No it wouldn't. Even though she has enhancements, Male Shep would still be stronger because he was male and had them as well. Your argument makes no sense. "FemShep has enhancements so that makes her stronger than Male Shep even though he has those enhancements as well." "Preconceived notion"..Rightttttttt, whatever floats your boat.  Sounds like you're just upset that I said men are naturally stronger than women.  If I asked someone who they thought was stronger between Wrex or Eve then who do you think people would say? I really don't see why people are fussing and making a big deal about it. The only cases in which a female could be physically stronger than a male in ME is if they had enhancements or biotics. Jez so many people making a deal about the Yagh bit. I only brought up the Yagh as one example. I could've used other showings of strength, like when you break Kai Leng's blade at Ceberus base, too if I wanted. Any showing of strength will always look more natural with a male than it would a female. But as I agreed with another, if it were a showing of agility than it would favor a female. If I saw male shep jumping around like Kasumi then I would find that to be very odd

 

See, this is where I stop pretending I actually give a frak about what you think. Or trying to convince you or anybody else into seeing my point of view. I mean, it's my fault for trying in the first place, really.

 

Good day to you sir.

[Hazegurl]

Renegade Male default Shepard is my canon

 

-About 98% of all custom Sheps look awful

-Default Shep is hot.

-Default Shep in full renegade mode (scars, red eyes) looks badass.

-I prefer Meer in all three games. I'm sure Hale is great but she came across as too emotional and I got annoyed with the breathy sort of way she spoke.

-I can't get through a full series as FemShep and I have tried multiple times.  When I get to ME2 I just quit.

-FemShep sounds too horny around Jacob. Major turn off to using her.

-Male Shep looks like he could really kick some ass. Especially in ME3. He just has a stronger presence.

-I love my headcanon for Kaidan and MShep romance. Nothing happened between them due to running all over chasing Saren, plus rules against fraternization, in ME2 the tension was there between them big time but Kaidan had his own path to follow and the two butt heads, in ME3 the galaxy may very well come to an end and the two confess their feelings for each other.

-I also like Anderson calling Shepard "Son"

 

As for the argument about the strength of Male and Female Shepard. The way I see it, I have a problem with how skinny FemShep is. That woman barely has any muscle. It is a fact that men are generally stronger than woman physically I don't think it's sexist to acknowledge that. Our bodies are different. Now are there cases of women being physically stronger? Yes, depends on the individual. A woman who lifts weights is going to be strong than a skinny man who doesn't. Will she be stronger than a larger man? Depends on how the strength is tested. Will she be just as strong as a man who lifts? Nope. Will she be stronger than a man who lifts, nope.  That's why competitor sports are divided. If FemShep looked like Brienne of Trath(GOT) I would be far more inclined to believe all the fuss about her. But Femshep as designed by Mass Effect flipping big ass James over with her boney body and noodle looking arms is hilarious.

[Gambit458]

See, this is where I stop pretending I actually give a frak about what you think. Or trying to convince you or anybody else into seeing my point of view. I mean, it's my fault for trying in the first place, really.

 

Good day to you sir.

Well being that you were in the wrong then it's not surprise that you "stopped pretending."   I said absolutely nothing wrong about males and females and you made a big deal about it. There's nothing more to be said than that. Toodles 

[von uber]

Shepard is a he.

Shepard is a she for me, personally. The character is much more interesting as a woman.
But that's just my opinion.

[Andrew Lucas]

Shepard is Shepard regardless of the gender. The job still gets done.

Though, I've a desire to play as femshep for the first time like I did with DA2 where FemHawke turned to be my canon one for Inquisition. I just.. I don't know why I haven't done it yet, maybe because of the romance, Idk.

[RanetheViking]

Shepard is a He.  The game plays better that way.

 

Just my opinion. 

[fhs33721]

Femshep most of the time. I only play Maleshep very rarely (Just two full trilogy runs for the Tali and Miranda romances, as opposed to 6-7 or something Femshep trilogy runs.) For two reasons :

1) As someone that reads a lot of Fantasy and sci-Fi novels since childhood and as well as plays a lot of RPGs I have experienced countless "male protagonist saves the world/planet/galaxy/realm of existance from evil". And it starts to get boring. And sicne  about 85% of all Fantasy/Sci-Fi protagonists seem to be male a female hero that saves the world/planet/galaxy/realm of existance at least has some more semblance of novelity to me.

2)Also I suck at character creation and find default Femshep to be much more pleasing than default maleshep (I personally loathe the stubbly almost bald dudebro look on men.Let the poor guy grow some hair and either grow a real beard or shave. Default Hawke looked way better.)

[78stonewobble]

Personally, I think it's ok to extrapolate the, on average men are somewhat stronger than women, to the mass effect universe.

 

Maybe they have strength enhancers that can only work to x kg, no matter the wearers individual strength, in which case it vanishes or if it's dependent on the wearers strength, the difference is still there. I think the latter is a little more likely assumption personally.

 

Personally I don't think it's a problem for mshep / femshep. As someone else said, guns are a big equalizer and while shepard, m or fem, is great in combat, it's not what makes shepard great, it's diplomatic aspects, ability to unite and work with others (tho sometimes rudely)...

 

Not even considering the yagh thing... do I think it's a problem. Shepard, afterall, does not try to tackle every enemy like that, no matter the size. It was an emergency, buy time, distract thing ... No matter the amount of muscles it had to be done.

[Daemul]

People put way too much stock into those enchancers, they won't turn some average Joe into fricken Brock Lesnar. They'll make it easier for you to reach your physical peak and improve your endurance and strength, but please don't think that you can now step into a MMA ring and not get your ass handed to you.

 

Also, please remember that any strength boosts will benefit those with a higher starting strength base the most. Let's say I have 50 strength and Brock Lesnar has 100 strength, and we each get a 20% strength boost, I'll go from 50 strength to 60 strength, but Lesnar will got from 100 strength to 120 strength. The gap between us has actually increased. 

 

As long as Brock continues to receive the same strength boosts that I do, I will never, EVER, catch up to him and become capable of the same physical feats as him, the exact opposite will happen, I'll fall even further behind. 

[von uber]

Shepard is a He. The game plays better that way.

Just my opinion.

Which is fine, but in my opinion a male shep makes the character less unique and interesting as he just falls into the 95% of other male protagonists.

I've finally got around to finishing portal 2 and that's another game where a female protagonist makes the game stand out.

Of course in an ideal world a female protagonist wouldn't stand out at all.

[Andrew Lucas]

Which is fine, but in my opinion a male shep makes the character less unique and interesting as he just falls into the 95% of other male protagonists.
I've finally got around to finishing portal 2 and that's another game where a female protagonist makes the game stand out.
Of course in an ideal world a female protagonist wouldn't stand out at all.

That's highly understandable. Women having more important roles in gaming is always welcome and refreshing, this is coming from a guy BTW. I must admit, I've never played any ME with a female protagonist, but I have desire to. Though, I disagree with the interesting part, it won't make the story better IMO. What changes is how you play, this is just my opinion tho.

[RanetheViking]

Which is fine, but in my opinion a male shep makes the character less unique and interesting as he just falls into the 95% of other male protagonists.

I've finally got around to finishing portal 2 and that's another game where a female protagonist makes the game stand out.

Of course in an ideal world a female protagonist wouldn't stand out at all.

Personally I think Bro Shep is more realistic and that is what makes it more interesting to me. As for the 95% thing, I don't care about statistics like that.  

Whether it's Mass Effect, Tomb Raider, the Master Chief Collection or Portal I play how I want to play, not because it's 'hipster' or even p.c. to play a certain way or because of gender. I just like to play games that capture my interest in my own way. I assume it's the same with you.

 

But I don't know why you keep calling me out (and other Male Shep players) every time this topic comes up. I sense it's a touchy subject for you? 

[Bowie Hawkins]

FemShep, because I prefer Hale's performance and because I usually play women snipers in RPGs.

And I play Paragade, because while I mostly prefer to go Light Side in my "official" playthroughs the payoff you get from things like the Kai Leng Renegade Interrupt is too deeply satisfying to pass up.

[Han Shot First]

 

 

PS: All of you, what do you refer to Shepard when posting in threads? He, she, s/he or simply Shepard?

 

Sometimes s/he and sometimes just he. I switch back and forth between the two.

 

For me personally though Shepard is a he. The default Shep (appearance) was the first version of the character I completed Mass Effect 1 with, and since then that has always been my canon. I've never been able to complete a playthrough of the series with custom BroSheps or FemShep, because something always felt off to me. 

 

Also it doesn't hurt that I preferred Meer's perfomance over Hale's, though I thought both were good in the role.

[Vazgen]

All of you, what do you refer to Shepard when posting in threads? He, she, s/he or simply Shepard?

He. I've played as both female and male Shepards and have a few of them but there is only one Shepard for me - Spacer Sole Survivor Engineer Vazgen Shepard who destroyed the Reapers and now teaches at Grissom Academy with Jack

[Gambit458]

Which is fine, but in my opinion a male shep makes the character less unique and interesting as he just falls into the 95% of other male protagonists.

I've finally got around to finishing portal 2 and that's another game where a female protagonist makes the game stand out.

Of course in an ideal world a female protagonist wouldn't stand out at all.

Eh, most of the time male characters just seem to be more interesting. Isaac Clarke from Dead Space for ex. Dante, Solid Snake, and a lot of others I could name that would fit that "95%" would show that that statistic is irrelevant

 

Personally I think Bro Shep is more realistic and that is what makes it more interesting to me. As for the 95% thing, I don't care about statistics like that.  

Whether it's Mass Effect, Tomb Raider, the Master Chief Collection or Portal I play how I want to play, not because it's 'hipster' or even p.c. to play a certain way or because of gender. I just like to play games that capture my interest in my own way. I assume it's the same with you.

 

But I don't know why you keep calling me out (and other Male Shep players) every time this topic comes up. I sense it's a touchy subject for you? 

I never like the statistic thing because it feels like people use it as an excuse just to make something different

[Rusted Cage]

He. I've played as both female and male Shepards and have a few of them but there is only one Shepard for me - Spacer Sole Survivor Engineer Vazgen Shepard who destroyed the Reapers and now teaches at Grissom Academy with Jack

If only it were so simple for me. I haven't played the character I was most fond of in so long I feel out of touch with him if that makes any kind of sense. My last few playthroughs have been women and now because of that I'm identifying with my Colonist Sole Survivor Nina Shepard. I'm not sure why, but lately I find more freedom in creating believable characters from the opposite sex.
Wonder if that says anything about me?

[fhs33721]

Eh, most of the time male characters just seem to be more interesting. Isaac Clarke from Dead Space for ex. Dante, Solid Snake, and a lot of others I could name that would fit that "95%" would show that that statistic is irrelevant.

Not to be that guy, but that is mostly because there are almost zero games with female-only protagonists. The only ones that come to my mind right now are Lara Croft from tomb raider, Chell from Portal, Alice Liddel from American McGees Alice and Scarlett from Venetica. Most games where you can have a female protagonist are ones where you can choose the characters gender  in character creation, which in most cases results in protagonists with less character depht (due to the fact that there are more variations).

So of course there are more interesting male characters in video games, but this is in my opinion due to the fact that there are more games with male-only protagonists.

By the way I found all the female protagonists I listed earlier to be quite interesting characters as well (Okay not Chell, she's just a dangerous mute lunatic.).

[Valmar]

Not to be that guy, but that is mostly because there are almost zero games with female-only protagonists. The only ones that come to my mind right now are Lara Croft from tomb raider, Chell from Portal, Alice Liddel from American McGees Alice and Scarlett from Venetica. Most games where you can have a female protagonist are ones where you can choose the characters gender  in character creation, which in most cases results in protagonists with less character depht (due to the fact that there are more variations).

So of course there are more interesting male characters in video games, but this is in my opinion due to the fact that there are more games with male-only protagonists.

By the way I found all the female protagonists I listed earlier to be quite interesting characters as well (Okay not Chell, she's just a dangerous mute lunatic.).

 

 

The fact that you we can actually name the games with female leads is pretty telling. You could probably make an extensive list of all the female lead characters in games from memory alone. No one could do that for male characters. Only way you could reasonably list all the games with male characters would be to list all the ones with female leads and say "every game other than these".

[von uber]

Well yes, because the list is so short.
That's like saying you can name all the female prime ministers of the uk.