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I finished my main playthrough, and I'm upset. (End of game spoilers)


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PlasmaPunch

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Before you get all angry and scornful with your 'oh my god the game is good, stfu' shite - this is not that. I absolutely loved the game despite it's shortcomings - I loved the characters, I loved the world, the lore, the twists and turns and the immersion... It truly is one of Bioware's best. Oh and the music.. I don't think I've ever enjoyed music in a game so much since Megaman X, Castlevania SOTN or Mass Effect 1. The Tavern music, the main mission music and even the 'area' music are wonderful. The first time I went to the Hissing Wastes I wandered around aimlessly for what felt like hours listening to the music and reading codex entries, solving the Dwarven puzzles, it was astounding.

 

PC controls were bad, and I don't mean keybinding or the mouse sensitivity - I mean the UI and the shameful console-to-PC port (It's a AAA game, Bioware please!) they just feel counter-intuitive, sticky, and too bulky, like megablocks to Legos, it was infuriating but I got over it. The game is poorly optimized, but even on some medium setting, but half high/ultra the game looks lovely, and the art direction makes the game come to life - a true credit to Biowares artists. Some of the story decisions like Bulls Chargers, or the Well were very one directional, obviously to tell a story, and take away from choice - but I did not complain, and I did not get annoyed because the story felt good, and it flowed well, and with each step deeper into the story I felt compelled to continue, and after the game ended I wanted-want more.. 

 

Alas, none of this matters because a crime far greater than anything Coryphy-spit could  even imagine goes unpunished. This viper spits her poison in the face of Andraste herself. Like a pandemic the news of this crime spreads through the games excellence - withering away the fleshed out story, leaving nothing but a rotting husk,  a body not fit even for crows... Twisted, tainted, tattered and tormented the position of someone most holy, she seeks to replace grace, wisdom and motherly love with ignorance, instability and cruelty. It is she that would ruin the very cause of the inquisition. I say it not in good health because I am sick to my core, but I must say it as to ground myself, and prepare the world for what is to come; Vivienne is Thedas' new Divine.

 

That said, did this happen to anyone else? I never supported Vivienne, at every chance I had I told her to go stick her staff up her ass, I got more greatly disproves from her than any other member of my Inner Circle, and I told her I did not want her to be Divine -  I would sooner strike her down than let her 'ideas' bind the growth of the world. I told Cassandra that it was not her place, as the Seekers needed a true leader. I looked onto Leliana and saw in her what makes nations rise and fall, society and culture advance, and trade flourish. I saw an idealist was the ability to lead - a Visionary. However there was no option on the wartable for Leliana, but I did pledge to her personally my support - and the entire game I pleaded for mage freedom, Templars becoming champions of the innocent and equality for elves, dwarves, humans and those of the Qun alike. I was cheated of my decision. 

 

 


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Vasudeva

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Yea who gets to be divine is something spread throughout choices in the game.  There's a thread somewhere on the boards. Here is link to thread and you might get a clue from there as to how you get who gets divine.  Basically a conservative choice in mage related stuff with strong chantry support and you get Cassandra, a moderate stance, and it's Vivenne a liberal stance and you get Lilianna.  Anyway here's the thread

http://forum.bioware...e-3-first-post/



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OHB MajorV

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I believe one of the prerequisites for L becoming divine if you have to do the quest at Divine Justinias original Chantry. (spoilers) you need to convince her not to kill the traitorous sister in the chantry.

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I believe one of the prerequisites for L becoming divine if you have to do the quest at Divine Justinias original Chantry. (spoilers) you need to convince her not to kill the traitorous sister in the chantry.

I didn't let her kill the scum sister. :/



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OHB MajorV

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Did you follow up with her? Honestly it won't be a big deal because when DLC rolls out or DA4 for that matter you can change it in the keep. I know that's a crappy way to go about it but it keeps your world state in order at least.

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I believe one of the prerequisites for L becoming divine if you have to do the quest at Divine Justinias original Chantry. (spoilers) you need to convince her not to kill the traitorous sister in the chantry.

I let her kill her and she ended Divine. It seems it only changes how she will behave as  Divine.

 

It seems that Leliana will more becoming Divine if you ally with mages and support Celene. 



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I sided with the mages, but made them prisoners. Maybe that got me Viv too? Lel would want them free. 



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I didn't let her kill the scum sister. :/

 

Don't worry I let her, and got Leliana at the end. 



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Yes, Leliana sides with the mages, so if you side with mages, you have to be their allies, not make them prisoners.



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You get some war table mission to support a divine , first time I didn't support anyone and got : Leliana!

Oh the horror , I told her I didn't want her as divine.

 

Then I tried again and supported Cass with the war table , and Cass is now on the Sun something throne glaring at everyone (and hopefully punching some annoying people in the face!)

Everything is great (well except for those stupid mage rebelling , I hate you Fiona!)


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I had no idea Viv could be one of the candidates.  Leliana was my Divine.  I sided with the mages, got Celene and the other two to work together, I didn't kill her in Origins (don't know if that has anything to do with it or not), and I didn't let her kill the sister.

 

Edited just to add that I'd rather die than let Viv become Divine.  :angry:   :D



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I sided with the mages, but made them prisoners. Maybe that got me Viv too? Lel would want them free.


That's probably a big factor. In the Leliana chantry side mission I took the third choice, something like its not worth it, and Lel slit the sister's throat regardless. Back at skyhold we had a conversation where she basically said she accepts her purpose is to kill. Chick was cold as ice. And she still became Divine in the end. And according to the epilogue the halls of the chantry ran thick with blood lol. It would cool if she was like that because I took the hardened choice in the keep.

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That's probably a big factor. In the Leliana chantry side mission I took the third choice, something like its not worth it, and Lel slit the sister's throat regardless. Back at skyhold we had a conversation where she basically said she accepts her purpose is to kill. Chick was cold as ice. And she still became Divine in the end. And according to the epilogue the halls of the chantry ran thick with blood lol. It would cool if she was like that because I took the hardened choice in the keep.

 

I had hippie Leliana with the flying nug , and she was trying to love everyone and makes everyone love each others.

I have nothing against Leliana but erf...is there a middle ground with her ?

I mean it seems she's either bloodthirsty or "All We Need is Love".

That woman is freaking me out since DAO , I swear , even Vivienne on the throne doesn't terrify me as much.


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I believe one of the prerequisites for L becoming divine if you have to do the quest at Divine Justinias original Chantry. (spoilers) you need to convince her not to kill the traitorous sister in the chantry.

Nope. I couldn't prevent her from killing that sister but declared my support for her in a conversation with her later, and got a ruthless Leliana with blood on her hands as the new DIvine.

 

@capeo:

I think the hardening in DAO figures into this, though not as the only factor.



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Yeah so after looking into it, I figure the only reason I got Viviene instead of Leliana or Cassandra is because I went to the Templars aid. (I'm sorry my mage brethren, but it's not my fault you chose a shitty leader - the templars got the much more shitty end of that deal, and needed the help more :/ )



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OHB MajorV

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I got a L where she accepts all into the chantry regardless of race, says her ideas ruffled feathers but took foothold and the chantry seems to be on the right path.

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Did you follow up with her? Honestly it won't be a big deal because when DLC rolls out or DA4 for that matter you can change it in the keep. I know that's a crappy way to go about it but it keeps your world state in order at least.

Yeah, I've decided that if I can do that - I will. Vivienne simply can't be my Divine. I'd sooner reopen the Rfits and let them swallow the world.


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I've been running concurrent Inquisition games (one as rogue and one as mage) and taking my time with each. I have not advanced either game to the end yet, and this thread buggers a question (or three).

 

At the point where the Chantry person comes to Skyhold and requests that both Cassandra & Leliana leave the Inquisition (as both are considered candidates for Divine) to come help negotiate that role; did anyone opt to allow them to leave? Do they in fact leave the game at this point? Does doing so help nail down one of them as new Divine?



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Yeah, I've decided that if I can do that - I will. Vivienne simply can't be my Divine. I'd sooner reopen the Rfits and let them swallow the world.

No no no...Obviously this was the Maker's will and if Vivienne is your divine you better make sure she stays your divine. You don't get a reset, that's not fair. What if Corypheus could have just gone back and not let you touch the orb and keep the anchor to himself. This is destiny, let it happen.



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I got a L where she accepts all into the chantry regardless of race, says her ideas ruffled feathers but took foothold and the chantry seems to be on the right path.


Mine said she accepted all into the chantry as well. Except that any who complained about the changes she was making got killed.

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Who ends up as the Divine depends on the choices you make in the major plots, as well as (to a lesser degree) some of the attitudes you express towards the Chantry. If you talk to one of the candidates, an operation will open up that allows you to throw some influence their way...but that is not necessarily going to ensure them becoming Divine if your previous choices have weighed very heavily in favor of a different candidate.


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Who ends up as the Divine depends on the choices you make in the major plots, as well as (to a lesser degree) some of the attitudes you express towards the Chantry. If you talk to one of the candidates, an operation will open up that allows you to throw some influence their way...but that is not necessarily going to ensure them becoming Divine if your previous choices have weighed very heavily in favor of a different candidate.

 

Good to know. So Leliana as devine would require answers like "who cares about the Chantry?" or "Who needs the Chantry anyways?" as they occasionally pop up?



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Good to know. So Leliana as devine would require answers like "who cares about the Chantry?" or "Who needs the Chantry anyways?" as they occasionally pop up?

 

Just disliking the Chantry is neutral (depending on the context). Sentiments that suggest the Chantry needs to reform, or that it isn't doing its job, will push Leliana a bit closer towards being Divine. For her, however, the biggest influences by far are allying with the mages at the end of the Redcliffe plot and handing power to Briala at the end of the Wicked Eyes & Wicked Hearts plot.


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I got Leliana, which I was very happy about, but very I'm pro Mage freedom, honestly...I didn't know that's how it worked itself out, if I'd ended up with Vivienne I would have cried and raged for a while and then started again from the beginning...  what a nightmare!



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I was pretty terrified of Leliana and her ideas on what she would do if she becomes Divine though i supported and allied with the Mages and i encouraged Cassandra to rebuild the Seekers and make them better so those things probably tipped the scales. I told Leliana i wouldn't support her after she made her dictator speech.