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[MikeSunrider]

Have been playing on Nightmare with minimum effort. Haven't run into a lot of encounters that gave me a lot of difficulty, besides the first Pride demon you encounter. 

However, the way the Envy Demon encounter is setup is ridiculous beyond belief. I am running with Iron Bull, Cassandra, InquisiMage, and Sera. Now is Sera not a problem, nor is Cassandra, but Iron Bull is just completely useless on that encounter. 

 

To exacerbate things, Bioware doesn't give you any potions for most of the section, beyond two supply caches. I can't replenish potions (I miss two before the fight starts), and I don't think I can exchange party members anywhere either - which reeks of horrible design if that is the case.

Am I just looking at the wrong place, is it possible to exchange party members at this point? I'm afraid I have to reload a while back and I'd rather just restart the whole game at that point, since I messed up on table missions a while back, considering some have follow-ups. 

Anyone has some helpful tips dealing with phase 3 with possibly two incapacitated party members?

[Keldaurz]

Where are you having troubles ?

 

Melees are pretty useless outside tanking (so she is the one being knocked down always) in that encounter phase one. Your rangeds will need to do a lot of damage, so you can burst him on phase 1 quickly. If you are getting into the add phase with potions you should be fine.

[szemyq]

I managed to beat him first try on nm ff. I had 3 melees in my party, which was suboptimal. As far as i can tell there is no way to change partymembers at this point. In third phase i had my ranged kite him as he was the only beeing able do deal damage in the first phase so he kept pursuing him. His attacks whiff more often than not if his target is moving so i was able to kill him slowly but steady. I just kept rezzing and damaging with my melees and kiting with my ranged. But i burned through all of my 8 potions and had a levelup on one of his adds which brought my party back to full life once. But if you dont mess up the first phase as i did you should be golden with 6 potions.

[Sriep]

However, the way the Envy Demon encounter is setup is ridiculous beyond belief. I am running with Iron Bull, Cassandra, InquisiMage, and Sera. Now is Sera not a problem, nor is Cassandra, but Iron Bull is just completely useless on that encounter. 

 

As this is pre Skybol, you can build Iron Bull to be an exact copy of Cassandra if you want. So are you saying you don't like your Bull build?

 

I have just been doing it with Cass, Viv and Sera with a Cass clone inquisitor. I was amazed at how the two tanks managed to survive with just one regen potion between them, completly out of healt potions. Had to micro Viv's barriers, would probably been easier with Sera replaced with Solas for better barrier cover. Although Sera does some good damage.

[PocketDragon]

What level are you, what class are you? Go in at the quests max level is the rule for Nightmare, or higher if you cannot be bothered to do anything.

 

Try taking two tanks Cass and Blackwell, because Iron Bull is a Reaver best left for 2handed, a ranged rogue simply to open the doors along the way, and a barrier, dispel, Spirit Mage. Using some bee grenades, for the add phase and also previous fights.

 

I hit him so hard, I didn't use a single heal potion, playing mostly in realtime, only entering the tactical phase for the adds phase..

[Tevinter Soldier]

really? i found the templar quest to be very easy i ran mage quis and solas focused on keeping barriers and ran cass as S&B and varric with standard build. slept through it.

 

now alexius was a shot out of nowhere with no dispel i was not prepared for it but got through it with maybe 2 potions left after 3 revives.

[MikeSunrider]

I managed to beat him first try on nm ff. I had 3 melees in my party, which was suboptimal. As far as i can tell there is no way to change partymembers at this point. In third phase i had my ranged kite him as he was the only beeing able do deal damage in the first phase so he kept pursuing him. His attacks whiff more often than not if his target is moving so i was able to kill him slowly but steady. I just kept rezzing and damaging with my melees and kiting with my ranged. But i burned through all of my 8 potions and had a levelup on one of his adds which brought my party back to full life once. But if you dont mess up the first phase as i did you should be golden with 6 potions.

 

The problem is that Cassandra is great if I take control of her. Ranged characters still have too much of a tendency to get too close to the Envy Demon. The big problem is really Iron Bull, who I have to control of as well, if I want him to survive. But then Cassandra has suboptimal shield wall procs. 

 

 

As this is pre Skybol, you can build Iron Bull to be an exact copy of Cassandra if you want. So are you saying you don't like your Bull build?

 

I have just been doing it with Cass, Viv and Sera with a Cass clone inquisitor. I was amazed at how the two tanks managed to survive with just one regen potion between them, completly out of healt potions. Had to micro Viv's barriers, would probably been easier with Sera replaced with Solas for better barrier cover. Although Sera does some good damage.

 

I guess that is the problem. He is a warrior using greatweapons, and he has combat roll, which sometimes helps to get out of the AoE blast. The problem is that I have to completely babysit him that fight. I should've taken barrier on my own mage, instead of relying on Solas for barriers. 

[MikeSunrider]

really? i found the templar quest to be very easy i ran mage quis and solas focused on keeping barriers and ran cass as S&B and varric with standard build. slept through it.

 

now alexius was a shot out of nowhere with no dispel i was not prepared for it but got through it with maybe 2 potions left after 3 revives.

Sorry for the double-post. Yeah, I imagine it being easy with barrier, unfortunately I can't exchange Iron Bull for Solas at this point in time. And sure, I can reload before the Templar quest, but I'd rather not have to resort to that.

 

What level are you, what class are you? Go in at the quests max level is the rule for nightmare or higher if you cannot be bothered to do anything. Try taking two tanks Cass and Blackwell,  because bull is a reaver best left for 2handed, a ranged rogue simply to open the doors along the way, and a barrier, dispel, Spirit Mage. Using some bee grenades, for the add phase and also pervious fights.

 

I hit him so hard I didn't use a single heal potion playing mostly in realtime only entering the tactical phase for the adds phase..

 

Level 8, Mage (without Barrier . . .) Don't have Blackwall yet, but Cassandra is doing good work. Like I said, I can't equip any new grenades or exchange party members currently, unless I reload. I'd rather not resort to that. 

[The Baconer]

now alexius was a shot out of nowhere with no dispel i was not prepared for it but got through it with maybe 2 potions left after 3 revives.

 

I did Alexius with two mages (only one with barrier), Cass, and Varric.

 

Alexius by himself is a complete joke. Have Cassandra hold position just outside of his mines. The default AI will actually spam challenge whenever its off CD and block any regular projectiles he throws her way, you don't even need to keep a barrier on her. The ranged characters are free to pelt him without any resistance.

 

Of course, then he summons demons and everything falls apart.

[Maverick827]

This game, like most RPGs, is heavily skewed against melee characters. It's a well-known fact that all RPG developers have a brain disorder which disallows them from thinking up any game mechanics that don't favor range or punish melee.

[Tevinter Soldier]

sorry but without some heavy defence or full potions you're going to die unless your one of those few hardcore players on here. you should probably reload at this point.

[Tevinter Soldier]

I did Alexius with two mages (only one with barrier), Cass, and Varric.

 

Alexius by himself is a complete joke. Have Cassandra hold position just outside of his mines. The default AI will actually spam challenge whenever its off CD and block any regular projectiles he throws her way, you don't even need to keep a barrier on her. The ranged characters are free to pelt him without any resistance.

 

Of course, then he summons demons and everything falls apart.

 

exactly what happened to me i was laughing and then i was swearing!

[PocketDragon]

Spec Iron Bull as a tank, using a range rogue Varric or Sera for those doors, respec yourself to having 3-4 points in Spirit, for barrier and dispel, putting 4 points into Storm for Static cage. Use some Bee grenade's on the adds. Otherwise the best of luck.

 

 

Reload the mission from the beggining.

 

 

Then you will be smilling at how easy this mission is, and also the next story mission, although in the next mission try turning the final trebuchect one turn at a time.

[Sriep]

Level 8, Mage (without Barrier . . .)

 

So there you are.

 

If you went up a level during the quest you only need go back to then.

 

 

    MikeSunrider, on 01 Dec 2014 - 5:24 PM, said:

    beyond two supply caches.
 

Ow! Where were they? would have made things so much easer.

 

[Sevitan7]

This game, like most RPGs, is heavily skewed against melee characters. It's a well-known fact that all RPG developers have a brain disorder which disallows them from thinking up any game mechanics that don't favor range or punish melee.

 

The first two games weren't heavily skewed against melee.

[sunnydxmen]

envy was crying to his mommy after i was done with him lol.

[Downluck]

It's not so bad even on Nightmare if you have access to upgraded combat roll.  You can just pop out of the slow, or worst case scenario, just roll out of the panic.  As long as the tank stays alive you can survive too, but the extremely low dps of a two hander warrior when he can't knock anything down really hurts here.