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[The Dank Warden]

Holy cheese, well, Rogue Hawke is the most OP if you ask me, but the armor of the warrior Hawke is the most bad ass

[BSpud]

The challenge is interesting when it's not about our belly button

 

This is going on my gravestone.

[gnewna]

Just from a gameplay standpoint: First playthrough I didn't pay much attention to building my characters "properly", especially my rogue!Hawke, and I found it a bit of a struggle (even on easy). Second playthrough I played a mage and did a bit more reading about builds and found it a lot easier, but I also found it quite immersion-breaking. Current playthrough I'm playing another rogue but with more attention to what skills etc I've picked, and I'm slaughtering stuff. I'm not that into playing warriors, esp as Fenris is one of my fave companions to bring along, and if not him, probably Aveline, and I'd rather have two mages/rogues than two warriors most of the time.

 

Story wise, I much prefer the Rogue. First of all there's just the basic fact that it seems more like you're 'meant' to be a rogue, certain cutscenes and also things like the initial gangs you can join to pay your way into Kirkwall, the mercenaries would probably prefer a warrior but a skilled, aggressive rogue would also work, the smugglers need someone sneaky (a mage could work here because, well, you've evaded the Templars this long!) Basically both either suit or would work for a rogue, both suit one other class but don't make much sense for the third IMO.

 

Secondly, well, I've found this to be an issue with playing any DA mages really - there just never feels like there's any risk. Both in terms of "I know full well the Templars will never even *try* to apprehend me" (I think it's a real shame that they didn't just have one class-specific quest/ambush/something) and, even more importantly IMO "even if I use blood magic in every fight and take every demon deal offered to me, I will never ever have to worry about becoming an abomination" - I don't ever pick the blood mage specialisations (although Merrill in my last game was sneakily doing blood magic while Hawke was distracted at the starts of fights) but even so. The Templars are many things, but basic level incompetence isn't something I would generally think of accusing them of, so just completely ignoring an apostate mage running around their city and at one point *having a big fight with magic in the Viscount's Keep* seems... odd. At the very least there should be some kind of mention of this before the (fairly late in Act 3 IIRC) bit where if you ask her a particular question Meredith will go 'oh, yes, obviously we know, but you're useful' or whatever it is she says. Even just a handwave about "Hawke spent a lot of time convincing everyone that they'd imagined the fireballs" from Varric, you know?

 

I do think Carver's a bit more interesting than Bethany, though, and being a Spirit Healer is bloody useful, especially if you don't want to bring Anders along very often, so I did enjoy my mage playthrough, but it felt like the suspension of disbelief was just a bit too needful of constant upkeep...

[Ambivalent]

Anything but mage because i hate Carver and it doesn't make much sense to be apostate in a strict city like Kirkwall. 

 

I prefer not to roll with two similar characters. There should be only one dual dagger rogue, one healer mage or just one archer in my group for example.

 

Between rogue and warrior i'd choose warrior so i could walk with Varric+Isabela at the same time who are best designed and most funny NPCs in DA2 imo. 

 

Hmm then i need to stick to that whiney apostate. Carver or Anders? Kinda hard choice. Hmm Anders is way better. At least he's right from time to time like broken clock.

 

TLDR: Warrior.

 

PS: Carver... Saying "I'll protect Bethany." to a templar i just meet makes me gain Carver's rivalry. Now please try to like that little brat. Glad you died, thank you for dying, keep on dying bro, why didn't you die any sooner?

[gnewna]

 

 

PS: Carver... Saying "I'll protect Bethany." to a templar i just meet makes me gain Carver's rivalry. Now please try to like that little brat. Glad you died, thank you for dying, keep on dying bro, why didn't you die any sooner?

 

I *suspect* that this is meant to be because he sees it as yet another example of Hawke trying to be the big man/woman, posturing about how badass she/he is, etc, rather than because he doesn't want Bethany protected. (And, well, he's maybe got a point - the line isn't "we'll protect her," is it?) Which isn't to say his backside is devoid of sticks up it, because, well, yeah, he does basically interpret everything you do through this lens of bitter sibling rivalry which, at least on my mage playthrough, my Hawke never gave any indication that the rivalry was anything but one-sided. He loved his little brother and wanted nothing more than to convince him that he respected him and saw him as an equal, but eeeeeeeeeverything he did, pretty much (I think maybe showing him the letter to his namesake didn't) ended up with "god, Hawke, you think you're sooooo amazing" [Rivalry + 1,000,000].

 

ETA: (Also, according to the wiki you *always* get +5 Rivalry for Carver when you meet Aveline and Wesley.)

[andy6915]

I *suspect* that this is meant to be because he sees it as yet another example of Hawke trying to be the big man/woman, posturing about how badass she/he is, etc, rather than because he doesn't want Bethany protected. (And, well, he's maybe got a point - the line isn't "we'll protect her," is it?) Which isn't to say his backside is devoid of sticks up it, because, well, yeah, he does basically interpret everything you do through this lens of bitter sibling rivalry which, at least on my mage playthrough, my Hawke never gave any indication that the rivalry was anything but one-sided. He loved his little brother and wanted nothing more than to convince him that he respected him and saw him as an equal, but eeeeeeeeeverything he did, pretty much (I think maybe showing him the letter to his namesake didn't) ended up with "god, Hawke, you think you're sooooo amazing" [Rivalry + 1,000,000].

 

ETA: (Also, according to the wiki you *always* get +5 Rivalry for Carver when you meet Aveline and Wesley.)

 

You ever maxed his friendship? I have, and I loved it. It really showed how they finally came to terms with one another after Bethany's death, and especially after their mother's death since then the only family left after tat was each other and a skeevy uncle and a cousin they barely knew (Charade)... And I suppose another cousin they never met, if the Warden was a human mage.

 

If you follow the wiki, you can get him a decent bit into friendship before he leaves in act 1, and you can max him from there using the DLC episodes if you bring him.

[gnewna]

Nope, only played one mage so far. I may go with another mage next time around, though, and if I do I'll be trying my damnedest to get those two siblings to reconcile their differences...

[PnXMarcin1PL]

I always go sword&board berserk-reaver warrior

[Ambivalent]

I *suspect* that this is meant to be because he sees it as yet another example of Hawke trying to be the big man/woman, posturing about how badass she/he is, etc, rather than because he doesn't want Bethany protected. (And, well, he's maybe got a point - the line isn't "we'll protect her," is it?) Which isn't to say his backside is devoid of sticks up it, because, well, yeah, he does basically interpret everything you do through this lens of bitter sibling rivalry which, at least on my mage playthrough, my Hawke never gave any indication that the rivalry was anything but one-sided. He loved his little brother and wanted nothing more than to convince him that he respected him and saw him as an equal, but eeeeeeeeeverything he did, pretty much (I think maybe showing him the letter to his namesake didn't) ended up with "god, Hawke, you think you're sooooo amazing" [Rivalry + 1,000,000].

 

ETA: (Also, according to the wiki you *always* get +5 Rivalry for Carver when you meet Aveline and Wesley.)

 

Line was something like "I'll stick to Bethany no matter what, keep that in mind".

 

It wasn't that harsh, even if Hawke was feeling platonic for templars and Chantry for some reason there was no reason to be "kind" against someone threatened his/her sister.

 

I always thought DA2 characters were over the top anyway, too "one dimensional" for my tastes. Carver was everything i couldn't stand in RL or in any game. Glad our relationship ended quickly.

 

Liked the game and a few of the characters though. 

[AngelOfOutlaws]

Sarcastic Rogue Hawke is my favorite playthrough, both in the technical and immersion aspect. I agree with everyone that a rogue, and the way the game tends to portray your rogue companions, tends to give off the air of being sneaky and good at going unnoticed so it would make sense that a rogue Hawke would be able to hide Bethany for so long. 

 

Mage Hawke just annoys me storywise. Who wouldn't notice the giant band of staff carrying, robe wearing, fighters? Hawke may have had the status for Meredith to ignore it for Act 1 and Act 2, but Act 3 when she went super nuts? No way would she be okay with a politically powerful mage running around. Also, during the fight with the Arishok? The public who has been fed propaganda to believe mages are evil and dangerous are just gonna be cool with Mage Hawke?

 

Even having Anders in my party made me feel weird, at least they kind of addressed when you would bring him into the Gallows.

 

Side note: I love their lampshading of the mages wearing robes while on the run in Awakening with Anders.  

[andy6915]

Mage Hawke just annoys me storywise. Who wouldn't notice the giant band of staff carrying, robe wearing, fighters? Hawke may have had the status for Meredith to ignore it for Act 1 and Act 2, but Act 3 when she went super nuts? No way would she be okay with a politically powerful mage running around. Also, during the fight with the Arishok? The public who has been fed propaganda to believe mages are evil and dangerous are just gonna be cool with Mage Hawke?

 

Hawke canonically wore mage armor that weren't robes, used staffs that had big blades on them so they looked like spears or axes or whatever, used melee combat when in a public place thanks to Malcolm teaching Hawke how to use a staff in a way that looks like martial arts, never used sustained spells like rock armor when in public either. They pretty much acted perfectly for not being found out. Bethany gets found out too early because she was less good at being subtle. And yes, the nobility will accept you being a mage when they see you using magic to personally hand the Arishok his ass and thereby saving all their lives. If there was ever a way to publicly out yourself as a mage, battling a big Qunari who plans to kill all the nobility at once is definitely the way to go.

[Sah291]

Hawke canonically wore mage armor that weren't robes, used staffs that had big blades on them so they looked like spears or axes or whatever, used melee combat when in a public place thanks to Malcolm teaching Hawke how to use a staff in a way that looks like martial arts, never used sustained spells like rock armor when in public either. They pretty much acted perfectly for not being found out. Bethany gets found out too early because she was less good at being subtle. And yes, the nobility will accept you being a mage when they see you using magic to personally hand the Arishok his ass and thereby saving all their lives. If there was ever a way to publicly out yourself as a mage, battling a big Qunari who plans to kill all the nobility at once is definitely the way to go.

That's how I headcanon it too. Hawke conceals his magic throughout most of act 1 and 2, and then uses it openly in the duel with the Arishok, knowing all the nobles are gathered there and watching. Meredith's little pout afterwards is fantastic.

[sjsharp2011]

Agreed @springacres in a way Carver kind of reminds me of my brother. I've not played DA2 as a warrior/rogue until now though as the playthrough's I've done up until now have all been mages. So far I have to admit I'm really liking Bethany sometimes makes me wonder what would have happened in my life if I had a sister like her as she does seem really nice and caring so far. My fem Hawke warrior and her do seem to be clicking quite well atm.

[BraveVesperia]

I *suspect* that this is meant to be because he sees it as yet another example of Hawke trying to be the big man/woman, posturing about how badass she/he is, etc, rather than because he doesn't want Bethany protected. (And, well, he's maybe got a point - the line isn't "we'll protect her," is it?) Which isn't to say his backside is devoid of sticks up it, because, well, yeah, he does basically interpret everything you do through this lens of bitter sibling rivalry which, at least on my mage playthrough, my Hawke never gave any indication that the rivalry was anything but one-sided. He loved his little brother and wanted nothing more than to convince him that he respected him and saw him as an equal, but eeeeeeeeeverything he did, pretty much (I think maybe showing him the letter to his namesake didn't) ended up with "god, Hawke, you think you're sooooo amazing" [Rivalry + 1,000,000].

 

ETA: (Also, according to the wiki you *always* get +5 Rivalry for Carver when you meet Aveline and Wesley.)

I think the automatic +5 rivalry for that scene is because Hawke is in charge. Hawke's the leader so Carver doesn't like it. (Tsk, silly little bro). And then you get the additional rivalry for aggressively facing off against a templar. Which could lead to more trouble for the family. Judging from some of his rivalry in Act1 for 'pro-templar' choices (and dialogue), I think he would prefer Hawke to stay out of trouble and just behave, which is why anything rebellious or aggressive towards templars gets rivalry from him.

 

I really like Carver though, especially if he joins the Wardens. Reminds me of my little bro before and after he joined the army.

[Gago]

Rogue is azaming and fun to play, rogue Hawke deals a LOT of dmg, mage is awesome (mage powah!) and shines for their aoe dmg, I have never completed DA2 as a warrior.

 

I can't stand Carver so I send him to the GW so he will grow a brain and becomes somewhat likeable while joining the Templars; the only thing that he grows is his ego. Bethany is a nice character (way too nice for me) so I send her to the GW to toughen up, joining the Circle doesn't really change her which isn't bad and is still interesting but as with Carver, the GW makes them more interesting. The Grey Wardens truly build character in a person.

[FemShem]

Oddly fem warrior tank did it for me.  I could take whoever I felt like for any reason.  I preferred Bethany, but only to embarrass her at the Blooming Rose.

For RPG immersion, you can fully enjoy.

 

Edit: Seriously, they don't want you to say wh*rehouse, but they'll let you go to one in the first two games...lol silly BioWare.  Can I say brothel?

[KaiserShep]

Entering the Blooming Rose for the first time's a treat because of the dialogue. 

 

"Ah the brothel. Now my day is complete." And subsequent commentary from various companions, namely Isabela and Varric make it all the better. 

 

People can say what they want about the game, but I was constantly smiling at all of the comments. 

[Arisugawa]

Entering the Blooming Rose for the first time's a treat because of the dialogue. 

 

"Ah the brothel. Now my day is complete." And subsequent commentary from various companions, namely Isabela and Varric make it all the better. 

 

People can say what they want about the game, but I was constantly smiling at all of the comments. 

 

Agreed. The game did so much correct, in my opinion, in terms of the characters, the story of Kirkwall, and the lead up to the Mage Rebellion.

 

My "What If" curiosity wonders how the community would view Dragon Age II if the various Kirkwall maps were larger, and all of the building interiors, dungeons, and caves were unique locations.

[caradoc2000]

Preferred class?

 

Act 1: Economy class

Act 2: Business class

Act 3: First class

[maRia0sp]

Mage ftw I think the story is much more interesting this way . I love this hate and love relationship with her brother , because even though they fight he still wants to help her and keep her safe . Plus mages are cool 

 

[Chaos Imperius]

Rogue is the best role ever in Da:o you could do whole game alone with the highest DPS and 100% dodge chance in Da2 rogue is again broken with Rogues DLC packs you dont need to buy new wargears because your DLC lvling with you so 2 daggers in act 3 dealing 30 + 500 bonus damage so you dealing 1000 dmg and with crits over 2000 + shadow spec with a dog are breaking too just spam decoy + dog and beat them + Bethany is really cool and rogue has the best animation + sarcastic hawke which is the best personality is best for rogue also Da2 is a garbage pretty broken you casting spells near the templars and they don't find out that you are a mage even paranoid psycho meredith wants a mage howke and then tells him plan to annihilate mages in the world

[Qun00]

Any other people too add in on this?
I understand the whole mage thing lol
 
Templar: "Have you seen any mages around? "
MageHawke: " nooooooo~"
So right now I'm leaning towards either Warrior or Rogue.

Some characters (not in DA2) have addressed this. One of the reasons why mages are dangerous is because you can't tell someone is a mage by just looking.

"But my character throws fireballs!" Not everyone in the city has witnessed you doing that.

[Qun00]

Any other people too add in on this?
I understand the whole mage thing lol

Templar: "Have you seen any mages around? "
MageHawke: " nooooooo~"
So right now I'm leaning towards either Warrior or Rogue.

Some characters (not in DA2) have addressed this.

One of the reasons why mages are dangerous is that you can't tell someone is a mage just by looking.

"But my character throws fireballs!" Not everyone in the city has witnessed you doing that.

[Ferretinabun]

Some characters (not in DA2) have addressed this.

One of the reasons why mages are dangerous is that you can't tell someone is a mage just by looking.

"But my character throws fireballs!" Not everyone in the city has witnessed you doing that.

 

There are fights that take place immediately in front of Cullen (What Lies WIthin) and Emeric (The First Sacrifice). It's ridiculous they wouldn't say anything. I don't even bring mage companions to these fights because I'm THAT anal about immersion.

[GoldenGail3]

Mage. It's the only class on which I've beaten the game (their epic against the Arishock, becuase I can't get very far when I play warriors, I've also never have been a rogue yet. )