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I started this topic because of my angriness. I spent a lot of  money bought a mediocre game. Bioware made a joke of me a whole community of DA. Why? There is a lot thing I and many people didn't wanted:

 

- its made for consoles, not  PC`s

- side quest are boring, looks like copy of World of Warcraft (bring 10 ram meat, build camps, make me sandwich etc)

- simplified character development

- chaotic battles, without tactic
- plastic models of chars
- to fast re spawn of mobs

- Tragic interface of equipment

- choices which have no influence in game

- lots of bugs

 

Do not know, why all game magazines gave this game  rating 9/10 or higher. It should be at most 5.

 

I feel like I bought MMO game not cRPG.

PS (sry for my bad English)


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plastic models of chars

Have you tried turning meshes to high?

 

In general, it's not as good as Origins but a hell of a lot better than DA2


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Well it can not be the worst since DA2 is so you are wrong.


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OK maybe I over colour its the worst game. DA2 is really tragedy comparing to Inquisition.

Yep gay agenda is irritating me too.

 

Have you tried turning meshes to high?

 

In general, it's not as good as Origins but a hell of a lot better than DA2

Nope. I have to play on medium settings.



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Aedan317 - i see in Bioware forum is censorship... Sad :(

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I'm obviously talking to the wrong crowd here, and I swear I'm not trying to start a flame war, but this is honestly some of the most fun I've had in a game for a really, really long time. I agree that the game was clearly made for consoles, but aside from terrible M&K controls, this affected me not at all. I ended up using the Xbone controller I bought specifically to play games like this (that have bad PC controls or that a M&K setup just isn't intuitive for) and that was the end of my control issues. Sure, it would have been nice to have just one more button for abilities (i.e. use the left bumper for abilities and switch the radial menu to left or right on the D-pad) but in the end it wasn't enough of an issue for me to get upset.

 

I thought the combat was fun, despite the tactical camera being awful. Yes, I'm one of those casual skubs who had more fun with DA2's combat than DA:O's. I used the tactical camera almost exclusively in DA:O, but a lot of that was because the controls and combat were so godawful that I had to just to have fun. DA2 was too action-y, yes, but it was a much more responsive and kinetic game, and it was way more fun to watch fights play out. I felt like DA:I took the best of both worlds here, and despite the unfortunate design choice of having ceilings stop your tactical camera, the fights were a blast (with a controller, of course). Battles get chaotic, yes, but "without tactics"? I respectfully disagree. You don't have to use tactics in every battle, true, but on more difficult fights certainly had to stop and use them. Maybe you're just better at the game than me, but strategy and positioning seemed pretty key to me.

 

Simplified character development? I guess I'm not seeing it. Maybe with Sera, but one completely awful character out of a boatload of great ones is neither a majority nor a good pool to draw from for this issue.

 

As far as side quests go - what? The MMO-style fetch quests, as you put them, were few and far between enough that they certainly never irked me, and I hate MMO questing. And on that note, the fetch quests almost invariably tied in to what you were doing with the Inquisition. 

 

Plastic character models - I agree that BioWare still has a way to go before their character models are up to snuff, but did the absolutely gorgeous world not make up for it at all in your mind? I mean, this is definitely the prettiest game I've ever played - more so even that Crysis, Far Cry, or Tomb Raider. I feel like they deserve at least some props for that, no?

 

Yes, mobs respawned pretty quickly. I'll give you that one. Though it's not like you can't just go around them nine times out of ten.

 

I don't know if I'd call the equipment interface tragic, but yeah, it wasn't the best.

 

On the subject of choices, I'm going to have to respectfully and completely disagree with you. In fact, this was the first game I've played since ME1 where I actually felt like all my choices mattered. It seems to me that there are a massive number of choices that would have very different outcomes depending on how you went about them. The only one that felt out of my control was the choice of who to pick for the new Divine, and I'm 99% certain that's because I did it wrong and/or missed something vital.

 

So, that's just my counterpoint to your point. Again, not trying to start a flame war, but I felt like a different opinion was necessary. I feel like a lot of this game's detractors are going a little bit ape with how "awful" it is, and when you focus exclusively on what you perceive as negatives, those negatives just keep growing and growing in your mind until a game that is at the very least good becomes terrible.


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Game is GOTY and one of the best games ever made. #Fact


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I'm obviously talking to the wrong crowd here, and I swear I'm not trying to start a flame war, but this is honestly some of the most fun I've had in a game for a really, really long time. I agree that the game was clearly made for consoles, but aside from terrible M&K controls, this affected me not at all. I ended up using the Xbone controller I bought specifically to play games like this (that have bad PC controls or that a M&K setup just isn't intuitive for) and that was the end of my control issues. Sure, it would have been nice to have just one more button for abilities (i.e. use the left bumper for abilities and switch the radial menu to left or right on the D-pad) but in the end it wasn't enough of an issue for me to get upset.

 

This I don't understand one bit. I have a controller for my pc too, and I play the game with it, but that's not because it's better in any way. (I use it so I can play on my big ass tv :P)

 

Everything is slower with a controller, everything. To say or imply the controls are better with a controller is just ludicrous.



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If it had PC controls and Origins' customisation/spells it would be amazing.

 

As it is, it's goodish.

 

I'm ~25h in, giving it 7.5


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I think what this comes down to is difference in play style/preferences.  Most critics(including myself) enjoyed Dragon Age:Origins and older style RPGs such as Baldur's gate.  Supporters who like easier going RPGs and MMO style like WoW love it.  RPG's like this have become more popular with consoles, and Bioware was torn about how to make a game that pleased everyone.  They put in an effort(although half assed IMO) to please everyone- tactical view or 3rd Person as an option.  Unfortunately, the tactical view controls are horrible and the camera is severely limited (try using this in a dungeon lol). 

 

The quests and fights are almost all about the same:  three or four targets at a location.  You clean them out and you go to the next.  The quests themselves are very similar to MMO's, and there are players that like that.  Probably more so than those that want a more linear game like DA:O but which clearly had better quests. 

 

There's also little to no dungeons to play through.  They are all short, and this was a bummer for me; I enjoy taking a party in to a long drawn out trip down tunnels and fighting darkspawn. 

 

Everything is really dumbed down; the skill tree is just like in DA:O and it's just very... plain.  There's no way to change stats, minus a few here and there through gear.  This isn't the only game to do this:  most RPGs are going away from adjusting stats through leveling nowadays.

 

And some people like this; right now there is a clash of old school RPGers and the modern RPG.  Reading over some players gushing about how great this game, I am at a loss.  I just don't see it.  After playing for a bit I went back to Skyrim and even DA:O just to experience the things I like.  When I go back to DA:I, it's boring to me. 

 

I guess you can't truly please everyone.  I felt that Bioware could have done far better, particularly with melee combat, the tactical view, quests in general, etc. I am disappointed with it... but I can see that there's an audience for this.


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Indeed this installment in the world of Thedas has its shortcomings, but it is not the worst in my opinion.  We are giving feedback to the devs. Hopefully they take heed to what we suggest to them.. This game has its merit as it is at the moment and with improvements from the suggestions we are providing to Bioware, it can be the RPG of the year.


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It's the best Dragon Age game for me. I was a little worried when the PC controls weren't what I wanted, but after plugging in a controller I had no problems whatsoever. Hope they can sort that out for people without a controller.

 

Otherwise, no complaints. Massive game, interesting stories, fun activities in each area and they actually made dragons a somewhat fearsome presence in the game.

 

The only major criticism I have is the templar branch felt a little less coherent than the other path. A bit of a mishmash. It's just the one quest but it's a biggie.



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Hardly. Inquisition is a mile wide and an inch deep. It looks pretty and plays alright as a button masher, but it's got no tactical depth, a wonky AI, bad controls on PC, and sod all character customisation; it's an action game masquerading as an RPG. It's not a bad game by any means, but it's a mediocre CRPG, and for people who wanted a CRPG it's a major disappointment.
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It is a great game. It's a great arcade action game. It's Golden Axe 2014 on steroids. Problem is I signed up for the "spiritual successor of Baldur's Gate" not Golden Axe. That seems to be a distant memory now.
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I think it's a really good game. Better than ME3, DA2, DAA, Jade Empire, and maybe even ME1 in my opinion.  



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Exploration is worse than Bethesda games and the combat is underwhelming. PC controls are quite bad but a patch is coming (I think).
The story and graphics make it up so the game is at least worth its price. I actually like it much more than, say, ME3 which in my humble opinion has the most bizarre and forced storyline.
So no, I don't agree with you OP. DAI is not fabulous yet but pretty decent, even with all the annoying problems.

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I think what this comes down to is difference in play style/preferences.  Most critics(including myself) enjoyed Dragon Age:Origins and older style RPGs such as Baldur's gate.  Supporters who like easier going RPGs and MMO style like WoW love it.  RPG's like this have become more popular with consoles, and Bioware was torn about how to make a game that pleased everyone.  They put in an effort(although half assed IMO) to please everyone- tactical view or 3rd Person as an option.  Unfortunately, the tactical view controls are horrible and the camera is severely limited (try using this in a dungeon lol). 

 

The quests and fights are almost all about the same:  three or four targets at a location.  You clean them out and you go to the next.  The quests themselves are very similar to MMO's, and there are players that like that.  Probably more so than those that want a more linear game like DA:O but which clearly had better quests. 

 

There's also little to no dungeons to play through.  They are all short, and this was a bummer for me; I enjoy taking a party in to a long drawn out trip down tunnels and fighting darkspawn. 

 

Everything is really dumbed down; the skill tree is just like in DA:O and it's just very... plain.  There's no way to change stats, minus a few here and there through gear.  This isn't the only game to do this:  most RPGs are going away from adjusting stats through leveling nowadays.

 

And some people like this; right now there is a clash of old school RPGers and the modern RPG.  Reading over some players gushing about how great this game, I am at a loss.  I just don't see it.  After playing for a bit I went back to Skyrim and even DA:O just to experience the things I like.  When I go back to DA:O, it's boring to me. 

 

I guess you can't truly please everyone.  I felt that Bioware could have done far better, particularly with melee combat, the tactical view, quests in general, etc. I am disappointed with it... but I can see that there's an audience for this.

 

nah people just have to see a game for what it is and not for what they want oit to be. really enjoyed divinty original sin this year and i still love da:i but although they are both rpgs they are not the same and dont have to be. in divinity the interaction is great and i really love the combat system, da:i has the wtf moments (in optics and in story) that divinity lacks completly. while divinity didnt managed to attach me to a single character da:i is superb at this, but divinity combat was one of the best tbs in years (although the balancing was not really good). so can i like just one of the two? no way because every game was outstanding in some parts and mediocre in others, but when i want to be divinity to be a deep emotional experience like dragon age and the combat of da:i as good as in divinity i will not like both.


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I really like Inquisition. And there's already a camera mod available.
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Hardly. Inquisition is a mile wide and an inch deep. It looks pretty and plays alright as a button masher, but it's got no tactical depth, a wonky AI, bad controls on PC, and sod all character customisation; it's an action game masquerading as an RPG. It's not a bad game by any means, but it's a mediocre CRPG, and for people who wanted a CRPG it's a major disappointment.

That is the best anology yet "mile wide and inch Deep" Very disappointing actualy on two platforms on CRPG and a Action adventure for console. The combat is so poor and the character development so shallow it does a very poor job at trying to be any of the two. It has bright spots. Graphics , cut scenes , story. but the nuts and bolts of this game is like a Kit car. May look like a ferrari on the outside but its a 1969 Volkswagen on the inside (including the engine)


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I am on my second playthrough. I am sorry some people aren't digging it, but I really love it. I have come across a lot of bugs that I am hoping will be sorted out-- still love it.
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I never thought any company could do such a good work at completely ****** up a franchise. For those who loved rock and said "rock is dead" if they played and loved DA they would say "Dragon Age is humiliated, beaten, raped, tortured, maimed, burnt, deformed and banished from existence" after playing Inquisition.


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nah people just have to see a game for what it is and not for what they want oit to be.


Truer words have yet to be spoken on this forum.
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I never thought any company could do such a good work at completely ****** up a franchise. For those who loved rock and said "rock is dead" if they played and loved DA they would say "Dragon Age is humiliated, beaten, raped, tortured, maimed, burnt, deformed and banished from existence" after playing Inquisition.


Ah, this kind of reasoning again. Accusing people of not really loving the series because they like something.

Hilarious, reminds me of the ME3 section.
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It has it's fair share of problems, but definitely not worst Bioware title(that would be DA2) and not a mediocre RPG. I wouldn't call it great, more of a "solid" game. 



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For those who loved rock and said "rock is dead" if they played and loved DA they would say "Dragon Age is humiliated, beaten, raped, tortured, maimed, burnt, deformed and banished from existence" after playing Inquisition.


That's an interesting metaphor. People have been saying "rock is dead" since.... well, I've been hearing it since 1977 or so, myself. It never manages to actually die.
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