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[Bizantura]

Why do people compare DAI with MMO?

 

I never played an MMO so I can't really compare but I have played a lot of RPG's.  Raiding or PvP play never attracted me.  In any RPG however there is filler content with side quests.  Did anyone believe the open world Bioware created would consist of walks in nature only?  That the open world would hampere the pacing of story was a given for me but one I can happily live by.

 

Are MMO players not barking up the wrong tree and should ask MMO devs on their forum for less grinding quests and more gameplay that they do like, I assume the raiding and PvP?

 

Personally I am happy with the RPG Bioware delivered.

[Grayvisions]

Eesh, I think people are overly hard on the game. I personally have enjoyed it, just started a second playthrough today, mostly just to try out skills before committing to them in MP (cuz lol Promotion is dumb). I agree with the sentiment that it is not the game people were waiting for, though. It still doesn't feel like a DA game. They touted the tactical camera like it was returning to DA: O but it's nothing of the sort. The tact cam has terrible controls that make using it a nuisance, I avoided it and just paused the game and manually switched to characters to set them up instead, which was a chore I should NOT have had to endure considering the past two games had a formidable, customizable AI system that Bware in its infinite wisdom decided to ditch. GG!

 

I don't agree that decisions didn't matter, though. There is an overarching story that can't be deviated from, sure, but that's always been the case. Even in DA:O; you're always gonna fight the arch-demon, morrigan is always gonna leave, etc. Just the way it is. In the meantime, the decisions and dialog choices influenced the way ~I~ personally interacted with the characters, especially my own. I think, if not for the character development, I wouldn't have been nearly as invested in the game. In some ways, I can see that being a bad thing, but given Bioware's history it's pretty much what I expect from them. I've played most of their games and none of them were enjoyable for the actual game mechanics. In fact, at least half of them would have been better as choose-your-adventure books.

[Gundar3]

This thread is not great, but good enough. 7/10.

 

DA2 was a travesty when it comes to any single lment.  The ending of ME3 was franchise killing.  DA:I starts off great, then takes a beautiful plunge into mediocrity, and just drowns in it.

 

The only solidly good things about it are the main plots, which ultimately there arnt enough of because the events end too rapidly.  That whole war thing?  1 mission.  Rift in the sky signaling possible Armageddon?  1 mission (at least if you go Templar, i hear its marginally better if pro-mage).

 

The "open world" (its not) areas are nice and large, but the illusion that these areas are full of meaningful things to do is dispelled when you realize that its a trinity of:

 

1. close rifts, with little fights

2.  jump around collecting shards to open doors for EPIC LOOTS (arguably the worst offender in this game)

3.  solve little connect the dots puzzles in the sky.

 

The crafting was well done, until you realize the schematics arnt just bugged, theres only 3-4 outfits with the most marginal of alterations, unless your goal is to mimic an npc.

 

Combat is mmo style, which is good or bad depending on player.  Personally, I dont care.  Its kinda fun being a two-hander warrior.

 

Now, the only place where this game is exceptional, is the characters.  Its been a LONG ass time since I've seen characters with the level of complexity as in DA;I.  We are talking pre-EA levels of complexity - example being Cassandra.  If the new art direction they took with her is too unbearable, I get you - honestly.  But if you talk to her, she has a great deal of "realistic" concerns, attitudes, and beliefs.  The struggle between her acceptance of femininity, her duties to the Chantry and her noble house, and discovering what she wants for herself was frankly AWESOME. - Props to the writer.

 

****... I wound up taking this thread seriously, and I started off so well.

[adr750227]

Truer words have yet to be spoken on this forum.

 

i would agree if they didn't have lied about their true intentions for this game; because at the end, this is all what it is; without the lie, half the people wouldn't even cared about this game and these forums would be spotless.....

[LordDuren]

Personally, I'm enjoying the game. I loved DAO, hated DA2, and this is decent. It's not mind blowingly good, it does have its fair share of bugs, flaws, and issues, but its been a fun trip so far. Part of this has to do with my expectations. I didn't expect a "click and you'll auto-move to attack". If I had, I'm sure I'd be furious. 

[skjutengris]

enjoyed the single player, MP is just to bad.

to little PC to much console design.

wish they didnt release it on pc.

[Melca36]

To all defenders of Inquisition ->

If Bioware had done Inquisition like they said(game for PC, back to solution of first DA) , the problem wouldn't have existed.

 

They lied, i feel cheated by they side...

 

So i have right to say to them about they production. They aren't saint.

 

 

Now you are being ridiculous. The game was NEVER going to be a return to the old style of gaming.  And if you thought that...I pity you.

[adr750227]

Now you are being ridiculous. The game was NEVER going to be a return to the old style of gaming.  And if you thought that...I pity you.

 

we never thought that out of the blue...they(Bioware) suggested that

[Kielbaldo]

He's a Troll fol-de-rol, he's a Troll fol-de-rol, he's a Troll fol-de-rol and he’ll eat you up for supper. As long as you aren't gay, or maybe if you are?

 

Speaking about yourself...

 

Its gay propaganda. Assuming that about 3-4% population of the world is gay orientation in Inquisition 2/9 are h-o.m-o. So its far beyond average.

And this is sick...

[keesio74]

People complaining that Bioware is too console focused only needs to see the sales number to understand why. Even with PC friendly DA:O, most of the sales were on consoles (I think almost 10x more!). So of course Bioware will focus on consoles. It makes sense to do so from a business sense. You can also blame people who pirate the game on PC since they won't show up in the sales numbers. So many people pirate games and then say what's the harm? Well here's the harm, companies will focus less on PC.

[Danoniero]

As an RPG that PC users are use too expecially those hardcore and older ones, game maybe deserves 5/10 But in overall as a game is much more good and fun. I actually do not try to look at Inquisition as RPG, more like an action game with RPG elements and this is fine by me.

Classic RPG are gone same as single player focused old style Real Time Strategies.

 

First dev videos showed tactical camera with cursor playing, now It looks like console port and the game itself it's probably a console port but as far as game is fun I do not mind couse i play some console games once a year.

Point of view really does matter, just think that's an action game rather than RPG. It clearly looked like on all those trailers.

 

Even with PC friendly DA:O, most of the sales were on consoles (I think almost 10x more!)

 

Wow man where did you get that number!?

PC sales- 500k

PS3 sales- 1.58 millions

Xbox sales- 2.49 millions

 

These are sales up to 22nd November 2014

 

Sure the Consoles always will be better in sales couse they are made just for plain gaming and there is nothing to upgrade, also developement is much easier, but they making these damn games on PC's so It would be nice to actually make at least a proper PC port.

[Uriko128]

I started this topic because of my angriness. I spent a lot of  money bought a mediocre game. Bioware made a joke of me a whole community of DA. Why? There is a lot thing I and many people didn't wanted:

 

- its made for consoles, not  PC`s

- side quest are boring, looks like copy of World of Warcraft (bring 10 ram meat, build camps, make me sandwich etc)

- simplified character development

- chaotic battles, without tactic
- plastic models of chars
- to fast re spawn of mobs

- Tragic interface of equipment

- choices which have no influence in game

- lots of bugs

 

Do not know, why all game magazines gave this game  rating 9/10 or higher. It should be at most 5.

 

I feel like I bought MMO game not cRPG.

PS (sry for my bad English)

 

I respect that you don't like the game. But some things you are saying are simply not true: the controls are not invented by Bioware, a lot of videogames, specially modern mmorpg, use that control scheme.Virtualy every game except for FPS are better played on a joystick, yes, but that doesn't mean they are made "for console and not for PC".

 

There's a lot of side quests in this game, as opposed to previous DA which had not even half the quests you have here. A lot of the quests here are made just to gain power in the case you don't have enough, and yes they are boring but honestly, wondering the wonderful maps was never a problem for me. There are also side quests that are not like that, for example the party characters' quests. It would be interesting to discuss which of the three games has the "best side quest", maybe we would all be surprised by what people chose.

 

What do you mean with "simplified character development"? I hope you are not speaking about how party characters are written. I think DAI has undoubtly the best party characters of the three titles. Even Leliana, which was a pedantic character that nobody used in DAO, is now an amazing character that I'm sure most people wanted to see in their parties.

 

If by character development you mean the main character... How exactly is DAI character development different from previous titles?

 

About the tactical battles issue, speak for yourself. I had to use some tactics while playing on hard difficulty, specially while battling dragons. I even was forced to use an specific set of characters on my party in order to beat some of them.

 

The "plastic models" argument falls by its own weight when you get a look at this very forum, in which people are posting pictures of their characters. They don't look "plastical" at all to me, lol

 

I didn't experience your "respawn" and "interface" problem. Not tragic at all. Although I could agree the IU could be better, but imo, it is good enough as it is.

 

Choices have no influence? Well they have little influence in the final battle I guess, in the sense that you would still need to fight the same characters in the same way. I can grant you that one. Although if I remind correctly, the very same happened in DAO and DA2.

 

And yes, it has bugs, as any other Bioware game lol just take Bioware games with a bit of sense of humor, it is always expected all kind of weird things will happen (KOTOR i'm looking at you). Srsly thay CAN'T help it, get over it.

[Razir-Samus]

mods u serious? deleting tame comments but not getting involved in a plethora of decent threads, no wonder people have lost/are losing hope in bioware

[Kielbaldo]

I really like Inquisition. And there's already a camera mod available.

 

Ok i found it

 

forPC gamers:

 

http://www.gamerhead...-dao-isometric/

[d3rd3vil]

It's a great RPG one of the best in the past years in my opinion.

[Applepie_Svk]

 

 

If you don't like open worlds and prefer the design style of older DA titles, I suppose you have a point and personally I would even agree somewhat. It's a shame that those very story intensive rpgs don't seem to have a future. But it's simply impossible to have an open world that has the same degree of immersive storytelling than you'd have with a more restrictive approach.

 

 

DA:I is not the open world, it´s more like a mix of big sandbox locations. If you are looking for true open world than I gues you can go for Skyrim, Stalker, Fallout, DayZ or World of Warcraft. And you would be curious of how BioWare managed to do some proper stuff in Star Wars the Old Republic, even if it was MMO, it still had a main quest line as well as quest lines with some story for each of the zones. BioWare already proved that they know how to fill empty pages with at least something more meaningful than do some sandwitch quests, yet they have failed to do the same with DA:I.

[AlanC9]

I respect that you don't like the game. But some things you are saying are simply not true: the controls are not invented by Bioware, a lot of videogames, specially modern mmorpg, use that control scheme.Virtualy every game except for FPS are better played on a joystick, yes, but that doesn't mean they are made "for console and not for PC".

Are joysticks really that good? I've never used mine for something where I'm not piloting a fighter, space or otherwise. (I agree with your general point about the controls, FWIW.)

[PGB01]

Speaking about yourself...

 

Its gay propaganda. Assuming that about 3-4% population of the world is gay orientation in Inquisition 2/9 are h-o.m-o. So its far beyond average.

And this is sick...

You see you're not being honest in your original post. What you don't like is that there are gay characters in the game. The rest is just hogwash, an excuse not to make an openly homophobic post. Then, when people call your bluff you are seen in your true and disreputable colours.

[Kage]

I started this topic because of my angriness. I spent a lot of  money bought a mediocre game. Bioware made a joke of me a whole community of DA. Why? There is a lot thing I and many people didn't wanted:

 

- its made for consoles, not  PC`s

- side quest are boring, looks like copy of World of Warcraft (bring 10 ram meat, build camps, make me sandwich etc)

- simplified character development

- chaotic battles, without tactic
- plastic models of chars
- to fast re spawn of mobs

- Tragic interface of equipment

- choices which have no influence in game

- lots of bugs

 

Do not know, why all game magazines gave this game  rating 9/10 or higher. It should be at most 5.

 

I feel like I bought MMO game not cRPG.

PS (sry for my bad English)

 

- I wanted it for console, not PC.

- Dont do sidequests.

- Character development is the best compared to all RPG games I have played. Not as good as DAO or DA2 for your taste? Ok. But still better than any other game.

- Battles are not chaotic, they are as in any action RPG.

- No

- Have not experiment it yet, maybe, but... I would not care?

- I agree, it is a little cumbersome

- I dont care

- Havent seen any yet

 

And latest, who told you this is a cRPG? This is an party-based action RPG, like Dragon's Dogma.

 

So yeah, stop acting like an intitled child, grow up, and play another game if you are not liking it.

[Razir-Samus]

- I wanted it for console, not PC.

- Dont do sidequests.

- Character development is the best compared to all RPG games I have played. Not as good as DAO or DA2 for your taste? Ok. But still better than any other game.

- Battles are not chaotic, they are as in any action RPG.

- No

- Have not experiment it yet, maybe, but... I would not care?

- I agree, it is a little cumbersome

- I dont care

- Havent seen any yet

 

And latest, who told you this is a cRPG? This is an party-based action RPG, like Dragon's Dogma.

 

So yeah, stop acting like an intitled child, grow up, and play another game if you are not liking it.

news just in, negative feedback is wrongly classified as whining

 

so yeah, stop acting like a child that's too cool to care about products he invests in

[Kielbaldo]

You see you're not being honest in your original post. What you don't like is that there are gay characters in the game. The rest is just hogwash, an excuse not to make an openly homophobic post. Then, when people call your bluff you are seen in your true and disreputable colours.

 

You know what writing about? What is homophobia? What is phobia? I'm not afraid of gays. I'm homosceptic, and this is difference. And gay character are imputed by force of homolobby. So Its homopropaganda. Got nothing personal to them. I just don't want to be force to see them so often like in games of BioWare. Its ridicules talking about tolerance and force strait people to watch them.

[Nicole87]

This is hardly the "best game ever." So seeing people say it is, makes me think they've played some real crappy games. Don't get me wrong, it's not the worst game ever, but the time I try playing it, all I can think is that I'd rather go play Skyrim...

If there weren't so many bugs and glitches on the PC version, I still wouldn't say it's perfect, but it's not bad. But it sure as hell is not better than ME1...

[PGB01]

You know what writing about? What is homophobia? What is phobia? I'm not afraid of gays. I'm homosceptic, and this is difference. And gay character are imputed by force of homolobby. So Its homopropaganda. Got nothing personal to them. I just don't want to be force to see them so often like in games of BioWare. Its ridicules talking about tolerance and force strait people to watch them.

Of course you're afraid, or you wouldn't be bothered. But I'm pleased that you have now come out and admitted the true reason why you are posting on this site, whether you call it homophobic or 'homosceptic'. However, I would say that you sound angry enough to probably need some help, unless of course you live in a country where violence against homosexuals is endemic and acceptable.

[Gadarr]

BioWare already proved that they know how to fill empty pages with at least something more meaningful than do some sandwitch quests, yet they have failed to do the same with DA:I.

 

Seriously, have you even played the game? I haven't been everywhere yet, but so far there is at least one major story arc in every single region. It's neither a fetch quest nor a sandwich quest, whatever that means, and it's not tied directly to a main mission. Sure, they aren't that great compared to the main missions, but still - just look at Crestwood. Or the Emerald Graves. Hell, even the major plot of the Hinterlands and everything that ties into it.

 

Maybe we just have a different understanding of the word 'meaningful', though I wonder why you would point to TOR as a shining example. Or maybe you didn't bother at all to listen to the story arcs presented to you or read the related stuff you find. Or you dismiss everything not presented to you via cutscenes as beneath your notice.

 

Either way - you're simply wrong.

[Razir-Samus]

Of course you're afraid, or you wouldn't be bothered. But I'm pleased that you have now come out and admitted the true reason why you are posting on this site, whether you call it homophobic or 'homosceptic'. However, I would say that you sound angry enough to probably need some help, unless of course you live in a country where violence against homosexuals is endemic and acceptable.

fuel to the presumed fire matey

 

things can bother you without you being afraid of these things, what kind of backwards logic are you using?