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[AlanC9]

fuel to the presumed fire matey

things can bother you without you being afraid of these things, what kind of backwards logic are you using?

It doesn't really matter. "Homophobe" is the word currently used in English for someone irrationally opposed to homosexualty. Whether it's founded in irrational fear, irrational hatred, or just plain irrationality isn't particularly important. It'd be nice if English words had literal meanings closer to what they're used for -- as a sometime copyeditor, my job would be easier -- but that just isn't the way usage works.

Besides, even if you could get "homoskeptic" to take off, it'd end up being seen as just about as pejorative as "homophobe" is.

[Lady Artifice]

You know what writing about? What is homophobia? What is phobia? I'm not afraid of gays. I'm homosceptic, and this is difference. And gay character are imputed by force of homolobby. So Its homopropaganda. Got nothing personal to them. I just don't want to be force to see them so often like in games of BioWare. Its ridicules talking about tolerance and force strait people to watch them.

 

 

It's not. Homophobia is not a reference to a literal fear in the same way a person might fear spiders or fire. Homophobia is a general term for any aversion to homosexuality, whether it be it's presence, discussion, or of course "propaganda". If you have such an aversion to Homosexuality, whether in your life or in a story, you are defined as homophobic. Deigning to use a more benign-sounding term isn't going to change that. 

[Razir-Samus]

It's not. Homophobia is not a reference to a literal fear in the same way a person might fear spiders or fire. Homophobia is a general term for any aversion to homosexuality, whether it be it's presence, discussion, or of course "propaganda". If you have such an aversion to Homosexuality, whether in your life or in a story, you are defined as homophobic. Deigning to use a more benign-sounding term isn't going to change that. 

why though... it's like the feminist movement calling men misogynist and oppressive whenever they try discuss the subject using logic and reason

 

granted, the dude in this case seems to simply dislike for some reason or another, who put us in a position to tell others how they should think and act?

[PGB01]

why though... it's like the feminist movement calling men misogynist and oppressive whenever they try discuss the subject using logic and reason

 

granted, the dude in this case seems to simply dislike for some reason or another, who put us in a position to tell others how they should think and act?

The chap in question was neither using logic nor reason, as you yourself point out. Therefore it can be classed as an irrational fear of homosexuals or more likely homosexuality, especially as he tries to obfuscate his fear through a meaningless first post. 

[Razir-Samus]

The chap in question was neither using logic nor reason, as you yourself point out. Therefore it can be classed as an irrational fear of homosexuals or more likely homosexuality, especially as he tries to obfuscate his fear through a meaningless first post. 

why not just call him intolerant then? why add dramatic effect by calling it homophobia?

[FKA_Servo]

why not just call him intolerant then? why add dramatic effect by calling it homophobia?

 

Because there is a word specifically for his particular brand of intolerance?

[AlanC9]

why though... it's like the feminist movement calling men misogynist and oppressive whenever they try discuss the subject using logic and reason
 
granted, the dude in this case seems to simply dislike for some reason or another, who put us in a position to tell others how they should think and act?

Right. If he wanted to actually make a case, we could dicuss it. But all he's got is disgust, apparently.

[Razir-Samus]

Because there is a word specifically for his particular brand of intolerance?

oh yes... calling it a fear is indeed a very specific way to explain a brand of intolerance

 

it feels like it's become like a go-to, like "racist"

[FKA_Servo]

oh yes... calling it a fear is indeed a very specific way to explain a brand of intolerance

 

it feels like it's become like a go-to, like "racist"

 

Most of us live in a world where context exists, and words have more than one meaning. You replied to Lady_Art's post above, but apparently you didn't read it.

[Razir-Samus]

Most of us live in a world where context exists, and words have more than one meaning. You replied to Lady_Art's post above, but apparently you didn't read it.

most of us also live in a world where a great many things simply don't make sense... all i've done is point out the illogical nature of calling a state of intolerance a phobia instead

 

and what "lady" did was reiterate and expand upon the point that is: it's just what it's called

 

saying that, why isn't racism the same? why does that not have branching words to explain each individual instance of racism?

[AlanC9]

oh yes... calling it a fear is indeed a very specific way to explain a brand of intolerance
 
it feels like it's become like a go-to, like "racist"

Sure. The point isn't to explain the intolerance, or to have empathy for it. It's to express contempt for it.

[PGB01]

oh yes... calling it a fear is indeed a very specific way to explain a brand of intolerance

 

it feels like it's become like a go-to, like "racist"

You're beginning to sound like an apologist for racists and homophobes. Or is apologist also a go-to word, whatever that means?

 

PS I've a feeling this thread will be locked shortly.

[Razir-Samus]

You're beginning to sound like an apologist for racists and homophobes. Or is apologist also a go-to word, whatever that means?

 

PS I've a feeling this thread will be locked shortly.

apologist? not a word i use, that's generally reserved for you folks over the water

 

i didn't once defend racism

 

nor did i defend the intolerance of homosexuals, or any other kind of orientation (though some are quite bizarre)

 

what i did do was question the nature of the word itself, and why it simply isn't called intolerance when that's what it is

[Uriko128]

Are joysticks really that good? I've never used mine for something where I'm not piloting a fighter, space or otherwise. (I agree with your general point about the controls, FWIW.)

 

Actualy I don't use them either lol. I am too lazy to plug them on the PC.

[Uriko128]

apologist? not a word i use, that's generally reserved for you folks over the water

 

i didn't once defend racism

 

nor did i defend the intolerance of homosexuals, or any other kind of orientation (though some are quite bizarre)

 

what i did do was question the nature of the word itself, and why it simply isn't called intolerance when that's what it is

 

The point started because it was being said that Gaider, because of being gay, couldn't act as lead writer. That's homophobic/intolerance/discrimination, or whatever, I don't really care about semantics. The point is that kind of behaviour deserves an IP ban.

 

And yes this is probably going to be locked, so why don't we come back on topic: hating the product while being respectful with each other. Can you do that?

[Razir-Samus]

The point started because it was being said that Gaider, because of being gay, couldn't act as lead writer. That's homophobic/intolerance/discrimination, or whatever, I don't really care about semantics. The point is that kind of behaviour deserves an IP ban.

intolerant of the intolerant, snappy resolve

 

 

 

 

why not, i'll agree that it is a mediocre RPG for a great many reasons... foremost being the gutted core features that literally made the previous titles; then there's the technical and mechanical issues brought about by them choosing to use frostbite, an engine notorious for being generally crappy; atmosphere when playing is also a bit crap, companions don't talk often, music is nonexistant; combat is a clunky mess, with minimum control over your team you hack and slash your way through packs of mobs that are generic aside from their models; the role-playing aspect is also a bit off, being that a character build is extremely limited and you can't allocate stats

 

plenty more, just a few of the larger issues

 

edit: that sounds absurd, intolerance of intolerance is not real intolerance... you then discriminate (which i think is fine in some cases) ehh, what do you want from me

[FKA_Servo]

intolerant of the intolerant, snappy resolve

 

Intolerance of intolerance is not actually the same thing as real intolerance.

 

Not all opinions are equally valid. Sometimes, the things that people think are just flat out wrong.

[Razyel_Kain]

I for one am pretty disappointed with the DA:I. I have yet to see the AAA title it claims to be. The game looks great, graphics are amazing but...there are quite a lot of Buts

1. Armors (Helmets) and weapons choices - Too few and mediocre at best. Thank you for purchasing the game. Here, have 2-3 unremarkable armor/weapon types and go fund yourself. We are sorry but we don't feel like adding a bazilion varians of light/medium/heavy armors. maybe we could add them in a later DLC for $39.99. 
2. Schematics - Too few and mediocre at best. Thank you for purchasing the game. Here, have 2-3 unremarkable schematics types and go fund yourself. We are sorry but we don't feel like adding a bazilion variants of schematics. maybe we could add them in a later DLC for $39.99
3. Accessories Crafting - Umm...is there a reason I cannot craft my own rings/Amulets/Belts? I would like to be able to choose what need for a certain class and not rely on a random drop...
4. Armor/Weapons Crafting/Customization - Lame...I mean really lame. You get Arm and legs customization and that's about it for Armors and A few other for weapons (Hilt, haft, pommel..). What about helmets? What about Shoulders and separate Chest / Leg pieces?
5. Brain Damaged AI - I can deal with AI when in combat, they are meh to Ok!, but when not in combat the AI is dumb as a rock....They get in my way when trying to jump on ledges, run around...etc
6. Open World map with invisible barriers - One thing i loved about Skyrim was the openess..very few places you couldn't go. here...there are places I want to explore but cannot because...I can't jump over a bloody boulder or a fence/wall that is knee high..
7. Combat mechanichs -For me they are "Meh!" at best. The Click and Go from DA:O is gone so now getting to a chest or lighting up a torch 10ft away by clicking on it and having the char go and light it is more of a chore. Especially with the "Here's the hand cursor...too bad you cannot click/pick up" bug
8. Lack of a properly working  auto-targeting mechanics - I can deal with it when playing a Bow armed Rogue or a Staff wielding mage, but i hate it when i play Warrior or Dual Wield Rogue. With the wonky keyboard mapping and lack of In game Mouse bindings i find myself wasting some of my attacks because the target I had selected was killed by a follower while i was scrambling to press the ability key....Lame, really lame
9. Faces and Hair features  - Not even going to go there....Hair colors, hair texture are just awful...Chinese plastic toys feeling....
10. Inquisition Power - What's the point of having it? After you unlock all you need for the areas in game and main quest that thing is useless...What is the purpose of having 75-120 Power at the end of the main quest left if I cannot use it?

 

And other issues. I haven't even mentioned the horrible Mouse and keyboard controls and the inability to map it via the game directly. I have a mouse with 6 additional buttons I cannot use because...EA/BW logic...

 

P.S: I regret getting the Deluxe Edition. The Weapons and armor that come with it are "Good enough" at best and not worth the extra $$ i paid for. None of them are remarkable in any way except for the "Looks kind of cool compared to the rest of the gear in game" factor. 

[Jlcebrian]

 

P.S: I regret getting the Deluxe Edition. The Weapons and armor that come with it are "Good enough" at best and not worth the extra $$ i paid for. None of them are remarkable in any way except for the "Looks kind of cool compared to the rest of the gear in game" factor. 

 

As a rule of thumb, in-game preorder/deluxe edition bonuses are to be ignored in most games. Half of the time they are cosmetic stuff you only wear for a few minutes as you find something better almost immediately. The other half they are just cheats. I never find them worth the price.

 

 

I usually buy special editions only if I want the goodies (figure, map, etc.) and I just ignore the 'special items' codes inside.

 

'Digital deluxe' editions are always to be avoided IMHO. Even when they include a 'season pass', you are paying for promised things that are not even planned yet and you have no way to know if you will even be playing the game by then.

[Kielbaldo]

Of course you're afraid, or you wouldn't be bothered. But I'm pleased that you have now come out and admitted the true reason why you are posting on this site, whether you call it homophobic or 'homosceptic'. However, I would say that you sound angry enough to probably need some help, unless of course you live in a country where violence against homosexuals is endemic and acceptable.

 

Hahahahaaha. Bla bla bla. You know me better then I. I don't need help. Maybe you need it cuz its very normal when that strait people don't want see gays scenes. No, my country is very tolerant, its not Saudi Arabia or Iran. Gay may live like they want and nobody force me or others to live like we don't want to. Like in rotten West. So you are please stop crying. I just post my opinion. I see that you part of this group. Stop force others to watch ppl like you if they don't want to. Be tolerant

[FKA_Servo]

So I cannot post my opinion? We live in democracy or despotism?

 

Someone fell asleep in civics class.

[Spitfire]

There should be a new label sewn on the lapels of those who have irrational hatred of those who understand homosexuality as much as they do breathing under water.

 

 

I have plenty of friends who are gay.

 

 

Do I love them? Yes, of course.

 

Do I understand their sexuallity? No, not in the least.

 

Do they hate me for that? Apparently not.

 

Is it up to me to condone (or be expected to condone) any grown adult's lifestyle and sexual orientation? No.

 

 

If you obsess about your sexuallity and wear it on your sleeve to the point that you feel compelled to ram it down someone's throat and then have the audacity to call them homophobic, or intolerant, or a hater - it is YOU who have the problem. It is YOU who are intolerant, it is YOU who are the hater.

 

Ultimately, it is YOU who need to grow up.

 

 

Edit:

 

And no, DA:I is not a mediocre rpg in my opinion. It is just deeply flawed at the moment.  It's potential for greatness will be realized after a few patches (still very hopeful).

[FKA_Servo]

There should be a new label sewn on the lapels of those who have irrational hatred of those who understand homosexuality as much as they do breathing under water.

 

 

I have plenty of friends who are gay.

 

 

Do I love them? Yes, of course.

 

Do I understand their sexuallity? No, not in the least.

 

Do they hate me for that? Apparently not.

 

Is it up to me to condone (or be expected to condone) any grown adult's lifestyle and sexual orientation? No.

 

 

If you obsess about your sexuallity and wear it on your sleeve to the point that you feel compelled to ram it down someone's throat and then have the audacity to call them homophobic, or intolerant, or a hater - it is YOU who have the problem. It is YOU who are intolerant, it is YOU who are the hater.

 

Ultimately, it is YOU who need to grow up.

 

So mere existence equals "ramming it down" your throat?

 

This guy started the thread to complain about how much he dislikes gay people. Not sure what you'd call that.

[Spitfire]

So mere existence equals "ramming it down" your throat?

 

This guy started the thread to complain about how much he dislikes gay people. Not sure what you'd call that.

 

 

Whether heterosexual or homosexual, no one deserves to be given a societal litmus test and be put on the spot for any reason. Both parties have been guilty of the exact same things that they accuse the others of. Mainly intolerance and hatred.  Each have worn their skin too thin.

[Kielbaldo]

So mere existence equals "ramming it down" your throat?

 

This guy started the thread to complain about how much he dislikes gay people. Not sure what you'd call that.

 

What? I didn't start gay topic....