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[DragonAgent]

Patience. Just wait until the next game cuts resolution or fps on one console because of the technical limitations of another, then you could remind those people about their sense of fairness. Same, for everyone.

 

 

Well when it comes to console players you have to expect less in terms of knowledge/awareness/age anyway. It's like comparing a 1st year uni student with an accomplished pro with 15yrs of experience. Most console players here weren't old enough to be allowed to legally play DA:O and that game out only in 09, many of them probably couldn't even read in 09.

[GODzilla]

Well when it comes to console players you have to expect less in terms of knowledge/awareness/age anyway. It's like comparing a 1st year uni student with an accomplished pro with 15yrs of experience. Most console players here weren't old enough to be allowed to legally play DA:O and that game out only in 09, many of them probably couldn't even read in 09.

 

Mhm...can I get this "to go" and without the "prejudice sauce", please?

[gay_wardens]

Can I get a TL;DR because i'm not going to watch some damn podcast 

 

What are they patching and when

[Asheria]

Can I get a TL;DR because i'm not going to watch some damn podcast 

 

What are they patching and when

what: LOL IDK MAYNE XD

when: soon™

 

hope that helped like it helped everyone else :^)

[GODzilla]

Can I get a TL;DR because i'm not going to watch some damn podcast 

 

What are they patching and when

 

There is a single link in the startpost. There is hardly a complete sentence there. Did you read it? It tells you to jump to 1min 20 seconds. And right there they say it. Jeez...

[DragonAgent]

Mhm...can I get this "to go" and without the "prejudice sauce", please?

It's a fact.

[gay_wardens]

There is a single link in the startpost. There is hardly a complete sentence there. Did you read it? It tells you to jump to 1min 20 seconds. And right there they say it. Jeez...

 

Yes but apparently you didn't read when I said "not watching some damn podcast."

[JWvonGoethe]

They can say what is being patched, what we are going to receive etc. People' reaction is quite normal considering the state of the game. There is only one perspective I care for: customer's one. I'm not a child, I do not need to be kept in the darkness by the caring big brother. Action-> reaction

 

There is a very strong likelihood that they don't actually know which bugs they can fix yet, meaning they can't tell us what will be in the patch. I'm not trying to stir people up here, and apologies if I have done so; I get that it's frustrating not knowing which parts of the game will be fixed, but I doubt the developers themselves even know the exact answer to that question yet. If they did, the patch would probably be pretty much finished.

 

I'm not ruling out the possibility that the silence is fuelled entirely by PR avoiding drawing attention to the bugs at all costs, but that wouldn't be a very good PR move in this instance and there are too many other factors that on their own are more than enough to justify the lack of updates.

[Massa FX]

There is a very strong likelihood that they don't actually know which bugs they can fix yet, meaning they can't tell us what will be in the patch. I'm not trying to stir people up here, and apologies if I have done so; I get that it's frustrating not knowing which parts of the game will be fixed, but I doubt the developers themselves even know the exact answer to that question yet. If they did, the patch would probably be pretty much finished.

 

I'm not ruling out the possibility that the silence is fuelled entirely by PR avoiding drawing attention to the bugs at all costs, but that wouldn't be a very good PR move in this instance and there are too many other factors that on their own are more than enough to justify the lack of updates.

 

I'm guessing that they are working on a mega patch, addressing as many issues as they can. But it takes more time than a week to do a multi-platform patch. Meaning, the bugs have to be reproduced, the bug fixes have to be created, regression tested and closed. Assuming that those bug fixes don't break something else, which has to be found, fixed, regression tested, it'll take at least a couple weeks - a couple months to get through the whole process of back and forth.

 

Rushing a patch out the door is  usually... problematic.

 

All the folks that are screaming for a patch now, would be 10x as likely to throw tantrums if Bioware released a patch that made the game worse because they rushed it out before it was ready.

 

Also consider... the number of platforms a patch has to go out on and the number of languages that patch has to go out on. 

 

2 week turnaround on a patch on a game of this size is impossible.

 

Note: Someone accused me of being pro Bioware. That's somewhat true, but having worked for a large gaming company and smaller startups in the past, I have some insight to what's going on. I guess that insight flavors my opinion just as anyone's backgrounds and experiences influence how they respond to the game.

 

<shrug> I survived ME3 BSN forums. I take no offense at anything that's said to me or about me. No worries. We are all strangers here and oftentimes passionate about gaming. Bound to be some harsh things said that you may or may not regret later.

[Brogan]

I'm guessing that they are working on a mega patch, addressing as many issues as they can. But it takes more time than a week to do a multi-platform patch. Meaning, the bugs have to be reproduced, the bug fixes have to be created, regression tested and closed. Assuming that those bug fixes don't break something else, which has to be found, fixed, regression tested, it'll take at least a couple weeks - a couple months to get through the whole process of back and forth.

 

Rushing a patch out the door is  usually... problematic.

 

All the folks that are screaming for a patch now, would be 10x as likely to throw tantrums if Bioware released a patch that made the game worse because they rushed it out before it was ready.

 

Also consider... the number of platforms a patch has to go out on and the number of languages that patch has to go out on. 

 

2 week turnaround on a patch on a game of this size is impossible.

 

This guy says something slightly different...

[Asheria]

 

2 week turnaround on a patch on a game of this size is impossible.

Are you ignoring the fact that someone within BW staff (yknow, in the video at the start of the thread?) has flavored his response to indicate that they are more than capable of getting a patch turned around and ready in <2wks? The first one is in "final testing," which seems to be taking just as long as they actually spent working on the patch itself l0l. Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing remains to be scene, but it pretty much blows your whole spiel out of the water.

 

 

 

All the folks that are screaming for a patch now, would be 10x as likely to throw tantrums if Bioware released a patch that made the game worse because they rushed it out before it was ready.

I SERIOUSLY doubt people en masse would be complaining as much as they are if there was more of a level of communication than what we are being presented with. Just saying "soon™" is not helpful.

 

Let me make an example:

ArcheAge launch. The staff for AA was far from communicative at the beginning of launch about the issues they were having and the community was in an uproar. New MMO launches are never smooth, so expecting it to be is silly, but there is a level of professionalism that needs to come hand in hand with launches. Leaving the community, often-times many of them supportive/paying customers (AA had a $150 launch package that got them access to lots of goodies), without any indication of what the staff is doing to change a product they paid for is far from professional. However, once the lone community manager actually took time to respond to the community and communicate with them the issues they were having, i.e. server lag, over population, etc., it got a little better. GW2 had a similar issue with launch but was handled MUCH more smoothly and had far better communication.

 

I can't speak for everyone, but a majority of the people here seem to just be annoyed they're being left in the dark. There will always be the people who won't be pleased either way, but going the extra step to not only be respectful to the community but acting professionally should resolve a lot of issues.

 

I know some people claimed it's a bad idea to issue a statement or w/e, and that's fine - they wouldn't need to. A simple Q&A post for the game/patches with ACTIVE responses would be fantastic. That won't happen though lol, and that's why the ragey community continues.

[Panda]

I'm guessing that they are working on a mega patch, addressing as many issues as they can. But it takes more time than a week to do a multi-platform patch. Meaning, the bugs have to be reproduced, the bug fixes have to be created, regression tested and closed. Assuming that those bug fixes don't break something else, which has to be found, fixed, regression tested, it'll take at least a couple weeks - a couple months to get through the whole process of back and forth.

 

Rushing a patch out the door is  usually... problematic.

 

All the folks that are screaming for a patch now, would be 10x as likely to throw tantrums if Bioware released a patch that made the game worse because they rushed it out before it was ready.

 

Also consider... the number of platforms a patch has to go out on and the number of languages that patch has to go out on. 

 

2 week turnaround on a patch on a game of this size is impossible.

 

Note: Someone accused me of being pro Bioware. That's somewhat true, but having worked for a large gaming company and smaller startups in the past, I have some insight to what's going on. I guess that insight flavors my opinion just as anyone's backgrounds and experiences influence how they respond to the game.

 

<shrug> I survived ME3 BSN forums. I take no offense at anything that's said to me or about me. No worries. We are all strangers here and oftentimes passionate about gaming. Bound to be some harsh things said that you may or may not regret later.

 

However this is just speculation cause the problem is that we don't know what BW is patching. We aren't even aware if they are aware of the problems cause at least for text size bug Mike Laidlaw just asked if people have HDTV and HDM1 cable. He didn't seem to have any idea that the text size bug happens no matter your tv and cables (not for everyone I think but for lot of people on PS3 and XBOX360 at least, have heard PC people have same problem).

 

The thing is that BW doesn't seem to be reading forums. They aren't answering on questions, they aren't giving information on the patches etc. They aren't addressing problems. Patches are coming is only thing we know. Hopefully they are working on this mega patch you talk about, that'd be good but I'm not excepting too much.

[GODzilla]

It's a fact.

 

Sure.

 

 

Yes but apparently you didn't read when I said "not watching some damn podcast."

 

Not even for 30 seconds? Wow...you're such a rebel.

[tevix]

Well when it comes to console players you have to expect less in terms of knowledge/awareness/age anyway. It's like comparing a 1st year uni student with an accomplished pro with 15yrs of experience. Most console players here weren't old enough to be allowed to legally play DA:O and that game out only in 09, many of them probably couldn't even read in 09.

I'm 30 years old and been playing games since I was about 7.  I started on PC, stayed with it for a while, decided to go and stick with consoles.

 

Still don't understand the need for such fanboy vitriol.  I know plenty of mature people who just prefer consoles.  It's a personal preference, not a determination of one's quality of character.

[GODzilla]

I'm 30 years old and been playing games since I was about 7.  I started on PC, stayed with it for a while, decided to go and stick with consoles.

 

Still don't understand the need for such fanboy vitriol.  I know plenty of mature people who just prefer consoles.  It's a personal preference, not a determination of one's quality of character.

 

He said it was a fact. We have no chance against that.

[Xhaiden]

 I play on a PC but with a console controller. So that I can be reviled by frothing demagogues on both sides and allow their hate to wash over me like a refreshing ocean breeze.

 

Also, I'm going to point out that Dragon Age Origins did not get its first major patch till a month after release. So this pining for the good ol' days of glorious PC Master Race is kind of silly. -.-

[tevix]

He said it was a fact. We have no chance against that.

I suppose you're right.  I resign myself to my fantasy world then.

[Chaos17]

 I play on a PC but with a console controller. So that I can be reviled by frothing demagogues on both sides and allow their hate to wash over me like a refreshing ocean breeze.

 

Also, I'm going to point out that Dragon Age Origins did not get its first major patch till a month after release. So this pining for the good ol' days of glorious PC Master Race is kind of silly. -.-

DAO did not have so many bugs or even game breaking bugs.

They're 180+ pages of complaints on the Technical forum.

[Panda]

Also if there was more communication on Bioware's side I doubt people would be as angry/disappointed/sad/worried or all of them at times like me ^^; They have answered couple of bugs but it's only PC this far. Answers EA where they redirect people with their question is empty of answers by BW's and EA's people as well.

[Panda]

I'm 30 years old and been playing games since I was about 7.  I started on PC, stayed with it for a while, decided to go and stick with consoles.

 

Still don't understand the need for such fanboy vitriol.  I know plenty of mature people who just prefer consoles.  It's a personal preference, not a determination of one's quality of character.

 

Same with my case. I don't actually have preference so I have both PC and console. However I play more heavy games with my PS3 and light game with my PC that isn't gaming PC but works just fine for older games that I love playing I just wonder where this PC master race attitude comes from. It's just personal preference after all which one system you like.

[GODzilla]

While I do understand that they can't and wont give a specific date, I'd say there is still room for some general communication and even some rough timetable. They can probably guess whether it takes weeks or months and this is something I'd like them to tell us. Because then I can decide whether to wait or continue playing. I'm currently waiting, hoping for a release that is somewhere in the "soon"-department. But if it's weeks we're talking about I'd rather play tbh.

[michaelnull]

DAO did not have so many bugs or even game break bugs.

They're 180+ pages of complaints on the Technical forum.

 

These are the archived DA:O tech support forums. Though I'm not sure which launch was worse.

 

Edited for my poor reading comprehension. I should go to sleep. ^^

Modifié par michaelnull, 06 décembre 2014 - 10:57 .

[Jlcebrian]

Well, the patch is long overdue by now. I'd still give them the benefit of the doubt. In development, **** happens, and nobody would like a rushed patch introducing more bugs than it solves. Or perhaps this is not the case and they went ahead and implemented some of the more requested features such as click to move in PC.

 

Either way, communication is being handled poorly. I'd expect some kind of statement by now. Even if it is 'we are working on it'

 

By the way, patches are often released simultaneously for all platforms. And there is no conspiracy there, it is simply more practical to have all the versions in the wild as synchronised as possible. That makes the life of support people easier.

[Lord Surinen]

There is a very strong likelihood that they don't actually know which bugs they can fix yet, meaning they can't tell us what will be in the patch. I'm not trying to stir people up here, and apologies if I have done so; I get that it's frustrating not knowing which parts of the game will be fixed, but I doubt the developers themselves even know the exact answer to that question yet. If they did, the patch would probably be pretty much finished.

 

I'm not ruling out the possibility that the silence is fuelled entirely by PR avoiding drawing attention to the bugs at all costs, but that wouldn't be a very good PR move in this instance and there are too many other factors that on their own are more than enough to justify the lack of updates.

I'm sorry but I don't buy it. I'm not into 'poor BioWare doing their best'. They have released the game in a bad shape.

 

It is a common practise, you cave in and wait for the storm to pass.

[Xhaiden]

DAO did not have so many bugs or even game breaking bugs.

They're 180+ pages of complaints on the Technical forum.

 

Combining the archived DA:O forum and its current tech support forum there are 870 pages and yes, DA:O had lots of bugs and a variety of game breaking ones. It was 8 months before Dexterity was even patched to actually work for daggers for example.

 

So no, I would actually rather they didn't go back to patching as well as they did during Origins. >.>