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[Panda]

"We are very honored by this award, and would like to thank those who voted. However, we still have work to do. We have many players who are still unable to enjoy the game for various reasons, and we intend to do everything possible to rectify the situation."

 

Ah they said that? I must have missed it in award show itself. At the state DAI is I wouldn't have personally voted it for best game of the year, but I don't think it's not deserving either. When it works without bugs and clitches, I'm pretty sure that it's pretty great game. It's not just there quite yet.

[Brogan]

No, that's what they didn't say.

Previous poster was asking How did you want them to react.

[Panda]

No, that's what they didn't say.

Previous poster was asking How did you want them to react.

 

Oh.. and here I got all fuzzy and happy.

[GODzilla]

"We are very honored by this award, and would like to thank those who voted. However, we still have work to do. We have many players who are still unable to enjoy the game for various reasons, and we intend to do everything possible to rectify the situation."

 

Every company as big as Bioware or EA have to be super careful in admitting any kind of fault. Plus the idea that "many" players suffer problems sounds a bit as if they say "the majority". They would never say that, even if it was true.

 

We got GOTY-award two days ago and patch announcement yesterday. Two seperate things, yet it shows that they did work on problems. Gotta give em some credit imho. Currently it seems that every reaction from Bioware - positive, negative - always causes more hatred by the player base.

 

Critique where critique is due, but the way internet communities developed over the course of the last ~10 years really sucks imho.

[tevix]

Guys...there are patches on the way, only days now. The GOTY award was awarded to them, not by them. How did you expect them to react?

 

With the patch now so close I don't really get why the mood is worse than before. The better the news the bigger the hate? At least wait until the patch is here. Then you can continue.

You don't celebrate getting a GOTY award while your forums are bursting at the seams with reports of a broken game across multiple platforms.  You don't make a point to celebrate such an award while people have been waiting the better part of a month with virtually no contact from you to be able to play their game.

 

Ubisoft owned their mistake, and pretty much bowed in apology to their customers.  Bioware is hand waiving the issue aside.

 

That is why I am still unhappy.

[GODzilla]

I'd be a bit coutious claiming "bursting forums" or thinking that a majority of buyers had problems because the likelyhood of this is questionable.

 

That said, think of it this way: You were working on a title for years, release happened and sales are good. Overall reviews are very good and (lets asume this for now) overall reception by players is good, too. Wouldn't you celebrate on winning one of the biggest award a game could possibly get? Be honest.

 

I'm also pissed about bugs or missing things (like any kind of pc customization despite their claims), but let's be reasonable, please.

[tevix]

Some communication is better than none, and it's good news for PC players. IMO they seem to be having the most technical issues out of everyone, so if the first patch is addressing that... then good.

 

 

I can only assume the complications/delay for platforms is the certs l0l.

If you think PC has more issues, I suggest you read through the old gen problems thread.  You would be surprised.

[tevix]

I'd be a bit coutious claiming "bursting forums" or thinking that a majority of buyers had problems because the likelyhood of this is questionable.

 

That said, think of it this way: You were working on a title for years, release happened and sales are good. Overall reviews are very good and (lets asume this for now) overall reception by players is good, too. Wouldn't you celebrate on winning one of the biggest award a game could possibly get? Be honest.

 

I'm also pissed about bugs or missing things (like any kind of pc customization despite their claims), but let's be reasonable, please.

The old gens problems list has 28 pages of unanswered, consistent, largely severe issues.  It took hounding on twitter to get any answer whatsoever, and that has been very minimal.  We still have no idea when those platforms will get patched.  When finally responding on twitter, they asked to be showed threads where people were posting issues.

 

That doesn't say "we care, and are really trying" to me.

[pablosplinter]

@pablo: In my opinion its one of the good examples on how a game should come out. Not like Assassins Creed Unity or Far Cry 4. This is a better one!

Unity had more obvious bugs, and in places that everyone scrutinises to hell like performance, but it doesn't come close to this for sheer number of different issues. As I said, I also genuinely think there are lots of issues we don't know about yet, and we think are working as intended, but are not.

The game is certainly in a much more playable state than Unity for most though, that is no question.

[In Exile]

Guys...there are patches on the way, only days now. The GOTY award was awarded to them, not by them. How did you expect them to react?

With the patch now so close I don't really get why the mood is worse than before. The better the news the bigger the hate? At least wait until the patch is here. Then you can continue.

They should be ashamed obviously. That's why the PS3 Skyrim box says "We apologize for winning GOTY since this game will stop running in 100 hours on your PS3".

[dfstone]

They should be ashamed obviously. That's why the PS3 Skyrim box says "We apologize for winning GOTY since this game will stop running in 100 hours on your PS3".

 

Bethesda has had a problem with their self-exploding save game files for as long as I can remember going all the way back to morrowind.

[Brogan]

Every company as big as Bioware or EA have to be super careful in admitting any kind of fault. Plus the idea that "many" players suffer problems sounds a bit as if they say "the majority". They would never say that, even if it was true.

 

We got GOTY-award two days ago and patch announcement yesterday. Two seperate things, yet it shows that they did work on problems. Gotta give em some credit imho. Currently it seems that every reaction from Bioware - positive, negative - always causes more hatred by the player base.

 

Critique where critique is due, but the way internet communities developed over the course of the last ~10 years really sucks imho.

 

Nah, I don't agree because admitting you are still in the process of patching would not be seen as a fault.  That is widely excepted as common practice now, especially for games this size.

[Lord Surinen]

Unity had more obvious bugs, and in places that everyone scrutinises to hell like performance, but it doesn't come close to this for sheer number of different issues. As I said, I also genuinely think there are lots of issues we don't know about yet, and we think are working as intended, but are not.

The game is certainly in a much more playable state than Unity for most though, that is no question.

Obvious bugs, like the broken-glued arms of one of the main races in DA:I : elves, especially male elves? http://forum.bioware...-its-problems/ There is much, much more.

 

Tomorrow's patch is a great test for BioWare.

[Chaos17]

Combining the archived DA:O forum and its current tech support forum there are 870 pages and yes, DA:O had lots of bugs and a variety of game breaking ones. It was 8 months before Dexterity was even patched to actually work for daggers for example.

 

So no, I would actually rather they didn't go back to patching as well as they did during Origins. >.>

The link I gave is only about DA:I.

Don't mix up things, thanks because it doesn't change they're many complains and they doesn't count the others complaints on this forum.

[GODzilla]

 

Nah, I don't agree because admitting you are still in the process of patching would not be seen as a fault.  That is widely excepted as common practice now, especially for games this size.

 

"We're still patching" is a bit different to saying something like "we know that the majority of players have problems". But yeah, greyscale is so difficult these day and age. There is either good or bad and nothing in between...

[dfstone]

I don't know what the logistics are with having to juggle patch releases but I'm sure its not so easy.  At least on the PC version, Bioware can patch it themselves, but the consoles have to pass Microsoft and Sony first and lord knows what hoops they make them jump through.

[pablosplinter]

Obvious bugs, like the broken-glued arms of one of the main races in DA:I : elves, especially male elves? http://forum.bioware...-its-problems/ There is much, much more.

Tomorrow's patch is a great test for BioWare.

Oh yeah, it still has it's share of obvious bugs like that(though never saw it myself and I played through as an elf) and the voice change one, but the point I am trying to make is that the game probably had many, many more bugs that people just aren't noticing... For example, I never realised that there was supposed to be background music during combat and only 40 hours in suddenly realised I hadn't had any banter.... And 60 hours in realised that most combos didn't work as intended.

When we see patch notes I wouldn't be surprised if it mentions things that fix parts of the game that people just assumed were working as intended.

[Brogan]

"We're still patching" is a bit different to saying something like "we know that the majority of players have problems". But yeah, greyscale is so difficult these day and age. There is either good or bad and nothing in between...

 

Well, there's clearly nothing in between when while at a microphone and accepting an award, they say nothing about it at all, which give the impression they don't believe problems exist.

 

The ceremony was poorly timed, imo.

[Brogan]

... For example, I never realised that there was supposed to be background music during combat and only 40 hours in suddenly realised I hadn't had any banter.... And 60 hours in realised that most combos didn't work as intended.

 

Ugh...  I would be so angry if that happened to me.  That's like going to see Hobbit 3 this month and there's no music.

 

This was one of the first things that made me decide to not even start the game until at least the first patch.

 

Talk about ruining the experience.  I wonder what the composer feels about this?  He can't be happy.

[Krisalid]

Could upgrade by increasing the size of the subtitles? I have a copy ps4

[Lord Surinen]

Oh yeah, it still has it's share of obvious bugs like that(though never saw it myself and I played through as an elf) and the voice change one, but the point I am trying to make is that the game probably had many, many more bugs that people just aren't noticing... For example, I never realised that there was supposed to be background music during combat and only 40 hours in suddenly realised I hadn't had any banter.... And 60 hours in realised that most combos didn't work as intended.

When we see patch notes I wouldn't be surprised if it mentions things that fix parts of the game that people just assumed were working as intended.

Unfortunately, now I may break your immesion if you plan to play more with your male elf(if you have one): glued arms occur 100% of the time during cutscenes when your character is supposed to stand. Many, most armours break your arms. I agree with you, most definately, this game has been released in a state far from finished. Obviously, I don't work in the gaming industry but when someone reminds me that this game went 'gold' about month+ ago then I stop to see any kind of value in this wonderful number 79. As I have said, tomorrow is going to be a great day or truly horrible one.

[pablosplinter]

I may well have had the elf arms problem tbh. I certainly thought my character looked scrawny, and held himself in a kind of strange way. I just put it down to poor design. Never thought it was some kind of bug.

[pablosplinter]

Ugh... I would be so angry if that happened to me. That's like going to see Hobbit 3 this month and there's no music.

This was one of the first things that made me decide to not even start the game until at least the first patch.

Talk about ruining the experience. I wonder what the composer feels about this? He can't be happy.

I started a new game just after finishing my first playthrough, and whilst running round the Hinterlands, it suddenly hit me that there was this really nice background music playing... I had played the entire game in almost complete silence in my first playthrough!... No wonder I thought the game-world felt lifeless!

[AnubisOnly]

I have both Win7 and Win8.1 right now, and in Win7 I have better performance and no crashes, Win7 is still better in games for me (minus BF4).

[FKA_Servo]

I may well have had the elf arms problem tbh. I certainly thought my character looked scrawny, and held himself in a kind of strange way. I just put it down to poor design. Never thought it was some kind of bug.

 

Keeping in mind that I haven't played a male elf PC - I'm also not 100% sure that this isn't a deliberate design decision. I think after DA2 they just decided that Bioware elves are weird looking. Their arms were all odd in DA2 also.