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[Jaron Oberyn]

Skyrim has 5-6 pretty long storylines, really. One for each guild, the main quest, and the civil war one. The Dark Brotherhood one, in particular, was pretty damn good.

 

Skyrims story was horribly written. So were the guild quests. TES strong suit has always been the open world, but DAI has surpassed their scale and has many other strong features to go along with it. The next TES game is going to have to really step up if they want to contend with DA at this point. It doesn't help that every TES protagonist is a static character either. 

[Rawgrim]

Skyrims story was horribly written. So were the guild quests. TES strong suit has always been the open world, but DAI has surpassed their scale and has many other strong features to go along with it. The next TES game is going to have to really step up if they want to content with DA at this point. It doesn't help that every TES protagonist is a static character either. 

 

Your opinion on the writing in that game is highly subjective, though. Tons of people loved that game, and the story.

 

DA:I took a few steps forwards and a few steps backwards, i'd say. The combat, in particular, is downright rotten. So much flash and colours that I can't see what is going on during a fight, after I got some high level abilities. My characters are litterally covered in flash.

 

The static character is static for a reason. You roleplay the character yourself. It is what rpgs used to be all about. Creating your own character with his won personality and motives, all in your head.

[Jaron Oberyn]

20,000,000 units of Skyrim sold + critical acclaim says otherwise. It's the other way around, buddy. I anticipate TES VI will sell on par with Skyrim.

 

Using your logic of sale numbers, Call of Duty must be the best game ever created. Sales do not equal quality, buddy. 

[Rawgrim]

20,000,000 units of Skyrim sold + critical acclaim says otherwise. It's the other way around, buddy. I anticipate TES VI will sell on par with Skyrim.

 

Probably even more. Given the massive success Skyrim was.

[Rawgrim]

Using your logic of sale numbers, Call of Duty must be the best game ever created. Sales do not equal quality, buddy. 

 

They do in rpgs. Call of Duty only sells because of the multiplayer. Pretty much the same as a Fifa game.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Your opinion on the writing in that game is highly subjective, though. Tons of people loved that game, and the story.

 

DA:I took a few steps forwards and a few steps backwards, i'd say. The combat, in particular, is downright rotten. So much flash and colours that I can't see what is going on during a fight, after I got some high level abilities. My characters are litterally covered in flash.

 

The static character is static for a reason. You roleplay the character yourself. It is what rpgs used to be all about. Creating your own character with his won personality and motives, all in your head.

 

No one plays TES games for its story, or horrible voice acting. People love it because its a sandbox, and has mod support. Nothing more.

 

DAI was as perfect of an RPG as we've ever had this generation, or the last. The combat is incredible, it took the best parts of DA2 and DAO and combined it into a superior combat system. 

 

The roleplay in TES games is ALL in your head. The dialogue options are 100% linear. DAI has the most roleplay options in any Bioware game to date, and it's all about how you express your characters views of the world, people, and factions around them in addition to your class and racial background. Like I said, Skyrim just can't compare. 

 

 

 

 

They do in rpgs. Call of Duty only sells because of the multiplayer. Pretty much the same as a Fifa game.

 

So sales only matters when it suits your argument, that isn't a persuasive argument.

 

[Jaron Oberyn]

You're talking about these games contending against each other, are you not? Don't we usually measure that by sales and reviews, or is it by how many fanboys jump to the defense of their precious game? You can talk about how much highbrow you believe Dragon Age is compared to TES/Skyrim, but facts are facts, buddy.

 

Keep up, that is indeed what the debate is about. Your issue is you're measuring the quality of the titles based on reviews or sales, which are entirely subjective. I play both games, but I don't let that blind me to the strengths and weaknesses of each title as you clearly do. Your comment regarding fanboyism is an accurate depiction of what you are doing right now. 

[AlanC9]

I don't think TES VI will have any problem contending with DA4. It's hard to really screw up a TES game; there are so few dependencies that any individual bad element can just be routed around, and nobody expects balanced or even interesting combat.

But who cares?

[Jaron Oberyn]

I don't think TES VI will have any problem contending with DA4. It's hard to really screw up a TES game; there are so few dependencies that any individual bad element can just be routed around, and nobody expects balanced or even interesting combat.

But who cares?

 

Which is another inferior trait of Skyrim, or all TES games for that matter. The combat is atrocious. 

[Rawgrim]

 

No one plays TES games for its story, or horrible voice acting. People love it because its a sandbox, and has mod support. Nothing more.

 

DAI was as perfect of an RPG as we've ever had this generation, or the last. The combat is incredible, it took the best parts of DA2 and DAO and combined it into a superior combat system. 

 

The roleplay in TES games is ALL in your head. The dialogue options are 100% linear. DAI has the most roleplay options in any Bioware game to date, and it's all about how you express your characters views of the world, people, and factions around them in addition to your class and racial background. Like I said, Skyrim just can't compare. 

 

 

 

 

 

So sales only matters when it suits your argument, that isn't a persuasive argument.

 

 

 

 Played it for the story. I wanted to know what was going on in Tamriel. Did you check how many bought the game on Xbox and PS3? Those customers can't mod their games, you know. So your mod argument falls utterly flat.

 

Combat is not incredible. You are limited to 8 abilites, and you can barely see a thing. It is more like Diablo 3 than DA:O and DA2. Including spawning enemies. Nothing incredible about something that has been that dumbed down. You can't even set up tactics in the game.

 

And poor voice acting? Max von Sydow, Christopher Plummer, and plenty other solid actors = poor. Wow.

 

 

If an rpg sells poorly, when it has had a ton of marketing to back it up, it is because it is a poor game. Simple as that. DA:I isn't a poor game, and neither was Skyrim.

[texhnolyze]

Skyrim is better in exploration, but lacks in other aspects that DAI excels at. For instance, Skyrim's combat is boring, very boring. And the characters and conversations are so bland, not memorable at all.

[AlanC9]

No one plays TES games for its story, or horrible voice acting. People love it because its a sandbox, and has mod support. Nothing more.

People don't play TES games for the story and voice acting, yep. But if those elements aren't something they care about in RPGs....

[Rawgrim]

Keep up, that is indeed what the debate is about. Your issue is you're measuring the quality of the titles based on reviews or sales, which are entirely subjective. I play both games, but I don't let that blind me to the strengths and weaknesses of each title as you clearly do. Your comment regarding fanboyism is an accurate depiction of what you are doing right now. 

 

So what you are saying is that nobody has nothing to go by, when it comes to the quality of a product. And that we really don't need reviews at all? Since they are "all subjective". I hate to break it to you but it is the subject who plays the game and decides if he likes or doesn't like a product, and why. And if an rpg doesn't sell well, there won't be a sequel. Simple as that. So the sales are rather important too.

[Nyaore]

20,000,000 units of Skyrim sold + critical acclaim says otherwise. It's the other way around, buddy. I anticipate TES VI will sell on par with Skyrim.

To be fair, let's not play the 'it's popular so therefore it must be good' game. Or do I need to bring up Twilight and Fifty Shades of Grey? Different people have different opinions, and that's perfectly okay!, but that's the claim that's easiest to debunk.

[AlanC9]

Which is another inferior trait of Skyrim, or all TES games for that matter. The combat is atrocious.

Sure. But again, what of it?

[Rawgrim]

Which is another inferior trait of Skyrim, or all TES games for that matter. The combat is atrocious. 

 

 

You are comparing a party based rpg with a single character rpg. Way different. It is like comparing call of duty to an rts game, when it comes to combat.

[Rawgrim]

To be fair, let's not play the 'it's popular so therefore it must be good' game. Or do I need to bring up Twilight and Fifty Shades of Grey? Different people have different opinions, and that's perfectly okay!, but that's the claim that's easiest to debunk.

 

Those got excelent critical acclaim?

[rashie]

Skyrims story was horribly written. So were the guild quests. TES strong suit has always been the open world, but DAI has surpassed their scale and has many other strong features to go along with it. The next TES game is going to have to really step up if they want to content with DA at this point. It doesn't help that every TES protagonist is a static character either. 

Do you actually believe this or are you just telling yourself it hoping to convince yourself that its true?

 

We both know DA:I and TES are not the same kind of RPG's even if you want to claim so. There's more to making an open world game being a good open world game than just being expansive in terms of scale.

 

The static protagonist and being given actual freedom is one of the reasons for why TES is so popular.

[Nyaore]

Those got excelent critical acclaim?

From non-readers and many news publishing outlets? Yes, yes they did. From actual readers who prided themselves on critical thinking? No.

[AlanC9]

If an rpg sells poorly, when it has had a ton of marketing to back it up, it is because it is a poor game. Simple as that. DA:I isn't a poor game, and neither was Skyrim.

Really? You can't think of any exceptions?

[Jaron Oberyn]

 Played it for the story. I wanted to know what was going on in Tamriel. Did you check how many bought the game on Xbox and PS3? Those customers can't mod their games, you know. So your mod argument falls utterly flat.

 

Combat is not incredible. You are limited to 8 abilites, and you can barely see a thing. It is more like Diablo 3 than DA:O and DA2. Including spawning enemies. Nothing incredible about something that has been that dumbed down. You can't even set up tactics in the game.

 

And poor voice acting? Max von Sydow, Christopher Plummer, and plenty other solid actors = poor. Wow.

 

 

If an rpg sells poorly, when it has had a ton of marketing to back it up, it is because it is a poor game. Simple as that. DA:I isn't a poor game, and neither was Skyrim.

 

Your statement would be valid, if mod support were my only argument. Perhaps you should reread the post you are attempting to respond to. 

 

Just because you played it for the story, doesn't mean it wasn't terribly written. Fanfic writers could do better in their sleep. 

 

I suggest you schedule an appointment with your optometrist if you genuinely struggle seeing combat in this game. 

 

Acting is only as good as the directors supervision. Anyone can read lines off of a piece of paper. Comparing the delivery in Bioware games to Bethesda would be disproportionate. Don't even get me started on the fact that Bethesda only ever employs around 3-4 actors who voice every npc in their game. It's painfully obvious when the Jarl of Whiterun is some random drunk in a tavern, or guardsman in another city. 

 

Again, sales are not representative of quality. 

[Rawgrim]

From non-readers and many news publishing outlets? Yes, yes they did. From actual readers who prided themselves on critical thinking? No.

 

The whole series of Twilight movies have rotten scores on imbd, though. and on Amazon.com.

[Rawgrim]

Really? You can't think of any exceptions?

 

Exceptions to every rule. But in general, my point stands. Do you have any exceptions you want to share?