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[eternalshiva]

Vanilla Skyrim is downright horrid. "Great modding community" Of course, otherwise SKyrim wouldn't be this popular if it wasn't for the modders and the fact that you can overhaul the game in its entirety and it looks absolutely nothing like the original.

 

DA:I as it stands now, there's a lot of issues, PC version especially, but it's much more fulfilling and satisfying to see the world react to you immediately when something happens, like finding notes on people you killed saying "shoot the Inquisitor is here, keep an eye out" or hearing NPCs talking about your latest exploits, your companions commenting on your class, your decisions, etc.  

 

I feel like I'm part of the gang, Skyrim is lonely in that aspect, and boring.That's my opinion on the matter though. To each their own.

[Ogillardetta]

i played Arena (not much though, was tricky to get it to run 15 years after release), Daggerfall, Morrowind and  Oblivion. I did not even bother with Skyrim for a reason.

Daggerfall was a huge improvement over Arena. Morrowind was slightly more limited than Daggerfall, Oblivion was basically a Morrowind v2. But Skyrim? It's very far from what The Elder Scrolls could've been if they had expanded upon what Daggerfall once did. So many features and so much freedom scrapped, just for prettier pictures, since that's all that Skyrim is: pretty pictures.

 

The one thing that has kept Skyrim from falling into the abyss of forgotten games, is its modding capabilities. Without that, it's a 13-in-a-dozen game, like the many others you hardly even glance at in the bargain bin.

 

I do hope Bioware doesn't continue with Dragon Age to make it more console-ish, but for now, it works for me. DA:I is a bit like how Morrowind compared to Daggerfall. Some things got better, some things got worse. The thing I'd want to see re-implemented most from DA:O would probably be proper NPC AI settings and proper tactical view gameplay options.

 

The Elder Scrolls on the other hand: it's a lost cause. Its modding community would be better off making a game themselves, instead of trying to revive that carcass.

While morrowind and oblivion are my favorites I still enjoy skyrim alot thanks to my mod list. The dragonborn dlc helped alot too. You should try it heavliy modded and with the dragonborn dlc. I wouldn't bother with dawnguard that was bad imo.  I wouldn't want to play it unmodded though and I guess that only is a problem if you bought it on console.

[Jackal19851111]

Oh my goodness. I never heard of him before! I'll go download him and install. Anything to keep Skyrim somewhat interesting is good!

 

http://www.nexusmods...im/mods/40960/?

 

Honestly when I installed him I couldn't believe it was a mod - it felt like a fully fleshed out DLC character! I haven't tried V2 yet though

[Ieldra]

I never understood what makes Skyrim so popular. It can't hold a candle to Bioware when it comes to storytelling and roleplaying, though if modded, it is a good open-world exploration game where you can lose yourself in if you don't expect to interact with NPCs much in a consistent manner (or add mods that make it better).

If you're looking for real competition, consider Fallout: New Vegas. What it lacks in presentation and visual storytelling compared to DAI, it makes up for in roleplaying options and in how you develop your character matters in character interaction and plot resolution. Bioware has become much better in giving the player roleplaying opportunities between their earlier voiced-protagonist games and DAI, but the cost of interactive scenes means that DAI remains more limited, and they've increasingly adopted the philosophy of reducing ability development to things that affect combat, so that the combat subsystem feels almost wholly separate from the character interaction and storytelling subsystem. The Inquisition perks are an interesting way to integrate those two dimensions better, but some of them should really be part of your character rather than your organization.

Every time I play FO:NV, I think "What could this be if Bioware got their hands on it and got the resources to remake it with a voiced protagonist and interactive scenes?" Won't happen though. Much too expensive for now.

[Jackal19851111]

FNV is definitely one of Obsidian's best work, and yes Skyrim lacks heavily on the companion front, but it still has something DA:I doesn't (and may never have) -> moddability. Look above for example of how modders cover all the negatives of Skyrim gameplay.

[sevalaricgirl]

Played Skyrim 900 hrs and barely finished the quests, there was that much to do, so much to explore, kill, etc.  Never finished the game even.  DAI, I can see finishing the game, spending hours playing several play throughs.

 

The problem is that Skyrim bugs and such were modded out and I loved the environment, it was probably an 8/10, did not really like the quests.

 

DAI for the few hours I've played it, love the companions, the story, even the controls and the tactical combat and I'm on PC.  What I don't like is the lag, it runs fine then there is the slow mo cutscenes then you have to restart the game to have it play normally again.  So far DAI is probably a 7/10 unless I can get Windows 8.1 downloaded and it actually works for the game as has been reported...then I might enjoy it more.  I did squee when I saw Cullen (admitted Cullen and Alistair fangirl).

[pablosplinter]

I never understood what makes Skyrim so popular. It can't hold a candle to Bioware when it comes to storytelling and roleplaying, though if modded, it is a good open-world exploration game where you can lose yourself in if you don't expect to interact with NPCs much in a consistent manner (or add mods that make it better).

If you're looking for real competition, consider Fallout: New Vegas. What it lacks in presentation and visual storytelling compared to DAI, it makes up for in roleplaying options and in how you develop your character matters in character interaction and plot resolution. Bioware has become much better in giving the player roleplaying opportunities between their earlier voiced-protagonist games and DAI, but the cost of interactive scenes means that DAI remains more limited, and they've increasingly adopted the philosophy of reducing ability development to things that affect combat, so that the combat subsystem feels almost wholly separate from the character interaction and storytelling subsystem. The Inquisition perks are an interesting way to integrate those two dimensions better, but some of them should really be part of your character rather than your organization.

Every time I play FO:NV, I think "What could this be if Bioware got their hands on it and got the resources to remake it with a voiced protagonist and interactive scenes?" Won't happen though. Much too expensive for now.

Nothing compares to New Vegas on terms of role playing and the complexity of the quests.

[The Loyal Nub]

It's kind of unfair to compare them given one is a 2011 game and the other just came out. BioWare had the advantage of closely studying the early release and it's clear where they felt they could do a whole lot better and that's in characters and story. The companions are a lot more compelling in DA:I than in Skyrim. I'll take Sera over Serana any day. BioWare care more about a good tale and with it complex choices than Bethesda do.

 

That said Skyrim has a better sense of the sandbox and how fun that is to just have the limitless freedom to explore.  It's always going to have a fond place in my heart for that alone.

 

I'll give one other thing to DA:I and that's combat. Skyrim's was fun but it was really just "hey, bandits!" Left click. Swing sword. Swing. Swing. Dead bandits. In DA:I I do take time to consider how to use my abilities and where to position my party. Fights are tougher too.(Emerald Graves...sweet jebus...).

[wicked cool]

Skyrim does many things better than dai in these ways

Fetch quests/open world-compare hinterlands to riverwood area and its not close. The towers/ruins/cottages have more to interact with and have more interesting enemies.

Bandits in skyrim are 100x better in skyrim over Templars/mages. They have better ai/better loot/talk and more variety. They can spring traps and even take your stuff

Most npcs in dai dont move, dont talk and cant be killed. There is no random village attacks and no sense of danger when in camp

People complain about nazeem or other npcs . Once you complete a random fetch quest 99% of npcs no longer interact with you in dai.

Chests/amulets/belts etc-when i craft an amulet guess what it appears on my rogue. With mods it gets even better

Combat- in many ways skyrim is better. I can block with my shield, i can sneak up on an enemy, can attack on my horse, can switch out a weapon on the fly, my companions hold position, use a weapon in opposite hand, my mage doesnt need a staff, picking locks more interactive, etc

Skyrim has better hair and beards especially with mods

Skyrim is an old game but there are reasons why its #1

Dai does romance, followers and has more emotion in its storys along with great cutscenes. At times i feel part of the world but many quests and caves etc are dull in dai. Dragons are also now superior

Someone else can compare the rest of bestiary, lore etc

[Capeo]

Nothing compares to New Vegas on terms of role playing and the complexity of the quests.

So much this. Even with the buggy mess it was its my favorite RPG of all time. It's the only RPG where it felt like everything I did had some kind of consequence, even more so than 1 and 2. The companions were awesomely fleshed out and the DLC was fantastic in following up the tangents in the main story.

[LinksOcarina]

So much this. Even with the buggy mess it was its my favorite RPG of all time. It's the only RPG where it felt like everything I did had some kind of consequence, even more so than 1 and 2. The companions were awesomely fleshed out and the DLC was fantastic in following up the tangents in the main story.

 

I don't know if it's my favorite RPG of all time, but it is one of the better ones out there for sure. The main questline alone was worth it, and Arcade Gannon is probably one of my favorite companions of all time, due to his own emotional story. 

[pablosplinter]

Fallout New Vegas was alway a favourite of mine, but it went to different levels when I just happened to stumble across Vault 11...simply brilliant! An incredible piece of interactive storytelling that is completely off the track and easy to miss(though I think a brotherhood mission takes you there if you want), but an incredible part of the game!

[Brovikk Rasputin]

How does Skyrim reward exploration any more than Inquisition? Skyrim is 75 % empty space with very little to find. Go to the edge of a map in Inqusition and there's huge chance you'll find SOMETHING. I like Skyrim but the exploration in Inquisition is so much more interesting, also because of a much more varied world.

And saying Skyrim is better because of mods and better beards? Come on... what the hell.

[Razgaros]

Skyrim is'nt an rpg, it's a cave clearing simulator.

[q5tyhj]

lol

[Jazharah]

Only saving grace of Skyrim is the mods...

I mean... EXPLODING CHICKENS!

[Shahadem]

Skyrim does the open world better (and there are fewer artificial barriers). The combat in both is pretty meh. DA:I has a better main story.

 

As far as having the world react to you, the GTA games (and GTA clones such as Saints Row series) do a much better job.

[BlacJAC74]

Vanilla Skyrim is downright horrid. "Great modding community" Of course, otherwise SKyrim wouldn't be this popular if it wasn't for the modders and the fact that you can overhaul the game in its entirety and it looks absolutely nothing like the original.

 

DA:I as it stands now, there's a lot of issues, PC version especially, but it's much more fulfilling and satisfying to see the world react to you immediately when something happens, like finding notes on people you killed saying "shoot the Inquisitor is here, keep an eye out" or hearing NPCs talking about your latest exploits, your companions commenting on your class, your decisions, etc.  

 

I feel like I'm part of the gang, Skyrim is lonely in that aspect, and boring.That's my opinion on the matter though. To each their own.

 

That's kinda what TES games are all about - modding or making up your own **** along the way.  If people pick up a TES game thinking they're in for some epic story driven game, they're kinda missing the whole point to the games.  Beth give people an open world that allows us to be as linear or as imaginative as our minds will allows us to be. 

 

BioWare usually give us a linear story driven game that doesn't really allow us to deviate from what BioWare themselves want us to experience.  After all, we all had to fight the archdemon at some point, we all had to enter the collectors base and so on.  In Skyrim, Oblivion and Morrowind, it's possible to play those games for 100's of hours and never go near the main questline.

 

In other words, I don't need to be Dragonborn when playing Skyrim, but I always had to be Shepard when playing Mass Effect.

[badboy64]

I uninstalled Skyrim right before I started playing DA:I and never will play it again. DA:I is much more interesting than Skyrim ever was. The modding community saved Skyrim.

[MagisterMaximus]

I like both games for very different reasons. Each brings some things that the other cannot and each provide me entertainment.

[Rawgrim]

Skyrim is'nt an rpg, it's a cave clearing simulator.

 

Don't really know what an rpg is, do you?

[Zoltansbeard]

I think its hard to compare them.. they try to do different things

 

Skyrim is a Open World focused RPG trying to have a story

 

DA:I is a Story/Character focused RPG trying to have an open World

 

i like DA:I better because i like Story/characters more.. and i think DA:I does a better job with its Open World than Skyrim does with its Main Story

[Rawgrim]

I think its hard to compare them.. they try to do different things

 

Skyrim is a Open World focused RPG trying to have a story

 

DA:I is a Story/Character focused RPG trying to have an open World

 

i like DA:I better because i like Story/characters more.. and i think DA:I does a better job with its Open World than Skyrim does with its Main Story

 

 

Skyrim gives you complete freedom over you own character, though. DA:I is extremely limited when it comes to that. And the auto-dialogue doesn't help much.

 

I pretty much agree with you abut what you said, though.

[Jaron Oberyn]

I think its hard to compare them.. they try to do different things

 

Skyrim is a Open World focused RPG trying to have a story

 

DA:I is a Story/Character focused RPG trying to have an open World

 

i like DA:I better because i like Story/characters more.. and i think DA:I does a better job with its Open World than Skyrim does with its Main Story

 

DAI isn't trying to be open world, it was stated to be "multi region open world" from the get go. This game them more flexibility in how they could design the environments, making them truly unique without having to worry about natural transitions. 

[Jaron Oberyn]

Skyrim gives you complete freedom over you own character, though. DA:I is extremely limited when it comes to that. And the auto-dialogue doesn't help much.

 

I pretty much agree with you abut what you said, though.

The auto dialogue in DAI is virtually non-existent. That's one thing you have to give the DA franchise developers over the ME devs. Mass Effect you had 2 dialogue options whenever they felt like asking for your input, and it was paragon or renegade. DAI its rare to have a dialogue wheel that isn't maxed out with options AND an investigate. The only auto dialogue in this game is if you happen to drink from the well and the voices whisper to you. Other than that, its 99.99% manual dialogue. You have far more freedom over your own character in DAI than you have in Skyrim, where it's voiceless and linear in dialogue expression. At this point it's quite clear that you have to be trolling. I mean auto dialogue in DAI? Are you even playing the same game as the rest of us?